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20 best batsmen of all time combining tests and ODI's equally?

Discussion in 'Cricket Talk' started by Harsh Thakor, Jul 16, 2020.

Combining test matches and ODI's equally who was the best batsmen of all?

  1. Viv Richards

    28.6%
  2. Sachin Tendulkar

    28.6%
  3. Saed Anwar

    14.3%
  4. Inzamam Ul Haq

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  5. Brian Lara

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  6. Ricky Ponting

    28.6%
  7. Javed Miandad

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  8. Virat Kohli

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  9. Virendra Sehwag

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  10. Greg Chappell

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  11. Rahul Dravid

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  12. Sunil Gavaskar

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  13. Zaheer Abbas

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  14. Younis Khan

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  15. Alan Border

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  16. Adam Gilchrist

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  17. Kumar Sangakaara

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  18. Clive Lloyd

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  19. Steve Waugh

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  20. Mark Waugh

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  1. Harsh Thakor
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    This is a list of my 20 best batsmen of all time ranked in order of merit combining test matches and ODI'S at equal level.


    1.Sachin Tendulkar

    Longevity unrivalled like the reign of a great emperor.His ODI innings at Sharjah in final sin 1998 and 98 v Pakistan in 2003 world cup come close to the best ODI knocks ever.Tendulkar at the to because of scoring 100 centuries and an aggregate of 30000 runs,which none will possibly ever equal.No batsmen ever faced so much pressure.Arguably may not have won as many games as he could have but still was the architect of many a famous win ,and championed many a crisis.Epitome of completeness in batting.



    2.Viv Richards

    At 2nd place Viv though he was more impetuous and a better match-winner ,because of not bearing the brunt of a weak side as much as Sachin and not matching his rival's longevity.Greatest match-winner and most impactful batsmen,although marginally marred with lack of consistency .Noone was more intimidating,or could deliver as much of a death blow to rivals.In ODI's at his best in tournament finals like when scoring unbeaten 138 in 1979 world cup .Without doubt best ODI batsmen of all time,who exuded the majestic aura of an emperor.



    3.Brian Lara
    Took batting art to regions of divinty traversing regions unexplored.Noone single-handedly turned or won so many games or bore the brunt of sch a weak team.Broke test world record twice in Trinidad in 1994 and 2004 while his 277 at Sydney and 153 n.o which were both scored against Australia,ranks amongst the best test inings of all time.In ODI's at his best when scoring centuries v South Afric ato win games in 1996 and 2003 world cup and when scoring unbeaten 153 v Pakistan in 1993.None wasmore mercurial for such a sustained duration.In test cricket Lara was simply majestic and possibly the best but not as prolific in ODI's.



    4.AB Devilliers

    Reminsecent of a circus acrobat who surpassed every batsman's strike rate in ODI's with his infinite imagination.Averaged over 50 in tests and ODI's which is remarkable.Devilliers was virtually a re-incarnate of Viv ,giving a new dimension to explosive batting.In recent times




    5.Virat Kohli

    I have rarely seen any cricketer so positive or with such asound temperament.Statistically he seems n the road to even surpass Tendulkar,but not as complete or at his best as Sachin in diverse conditions.Kolhli has no rival in all-round batsmanship ,in today's era.




    6.Javed Miandad

    The ultimate streetfighter who could be more a scourge in the eyes of opponents than even Viv Richards.A genius in his own right who could improvise as few batsmen could.Miandad exhibited grit more than anyone and niggled oponents more than the best batsmen of his time.




    7.Ricky Ponting

    Close to the best match-winners of his time and amongst the most accomplished attacking batsmen statistically.Played a great role in defining Australia as the supreme cricketing power.Ponting took domination to region sof the sublime,particularly against pace .For a period looked set to even surpassing Tendulkar.




    8.Kumar Sangaakara

    His record speaks fot itself with 63 international centuries .Statistically the best left handed batsmen ever but not at his best versus England,Australia and South Africa ,capitalizing on home pitches and weaker opposition.Still did avergae over 60 overal in Australia which was remarkable.Adjusting conditions of era and evaluating relative opposition and impact placed below Lara.Had a great average in tests won and saved of around 71.




    9.Gordon Greenidge

    Greenidge tore apart bowling with more clinical precision than nay opening batsmen of his time and scored more centuries and runs than even Viv Richards in test wins.Rarely has an opener beem more technically sound or pulverized bowling more.At his best close to a clone of Barry Richards.Played some of the most defining ODI knocks ,including in tournament finals.Consistency personified in ODI's averaging over 45 ,who wa sthe man of the finals in 1979-80 triangular tournament in Australia and was the leading scorer in 1979 prudential world cup.In test cricket debtatably the best batsmen in the world from 1984-87,with his three remarkable double centuries.




    10.Sunil Gavaskar

    Gavaskar was defensive but still the ultimate embodiment of batting skill, and on his day pulverized bowling.Broke batting records facing the best pace bowlers ever,and exhibited concentration at the depth of a Buddhist monk.No opening batsmen has equalled Gavaskar's 34 centuries in test cricket.In all types of conditions Gavaskar has come out on top.At his best when scoring 221 at the Oval in 1979 which all but pulled of a win in a record 4th innings run chase,96 on a broke wicket against Pakistan in 1987 ,and 129 v West Indies at Delhi in 1983-84.In ODI's bated like a master when scoring a match-wining 90 v West Indies at Berbice in 1983 and 103 v New Zealand in the 1987 world cup.




    11.Greg Chappell

    Greg Chappell was perfection personified blending correct technique with attacking skill like no middle-order batsmen of his era.Statistically adding WSC supertests and games versus Rest of the World the bets batsmen of the 1970's in test cricket.I can't also forget his unbeaten 124 in the 3rd prudential trophy game at the Oval in 1977 and his 131 at Lords in 1972.In tests no batsmen was more succesful against the great Calypso pace attack,including Packer cricket where he topped batting averages overall,and averaged 69 with 3 centuries in the West Indies.




    12.Graham Gooch

    Dominated express pace bowing at a height arguably no opener ever did,taking the greatest Calypso pace quartet to the sword.Took England home to a famous win in the Carribean in 1986 in an ODI run chase.At his best when averaging over 57 with two centuries in Wst Indies in 1981 and when scoring 154 at Leeds v West Indies in 1991 in the most precarious conditions.Very prolific in 1987 Reliance world cup,topping run aggregate and scoring a match-winning century in the semi-final.



    13.Steve Waugh

    Took mental tenacity to its ultimate intensity exhibiting coolness in a crisis as few batsmen ever did.Made a complete metamorphosis in the 2nd half of his batting career averaging over 55 and batted better than anyone overseas in his time.Reminiscent of a surgeon performing an operation more than often.A major architect of Australia wining the unofficial world tst crown in West Indies in 1995 and retaining it in South Africa in 1997.







    14.Inzamam U lHaq

    Inzamam on his day ripped apart even the best bowlers,exhibiting a flair rarely bestowed on a cricket field.His 60 in 1992 world cup semi-final ranks amongst the best and most defining ODI innings ever.A master in run chases to take his team across the line like in India in 2005.Arguably the best match-winner amongst batsmen of his era,averaging over 78 and scoring 17 centuries in test wins.




    15.Mark Waugh

    In terms of sheer talent in the Lara or Tendulkar class ,but lack of temperament let him down.More talented and technically better than brother Steve who at his best outclassed his brother.Displayed great prowess against the fast,rising deliveries being at his best against the likes of Wasim,Ambrose or Donald.I can never forget his 125 in the 2nd test at Durban in 1997 on wearing pitch in the 4th innings which was a classic that won the game.His century v South Africa at Sydney in 1997 -98 was another gem.In ODI's his 173 v West Indise will be embedded in y mind forever and his 3 centuries in 1996 world cup in India.The best bat of his time on the onside and a better ODI btasmen than brother Steve.




    16.Alan Border

    In test cricket the ultimate champion in a crisis with the best record of any batsmen overseas.Could also be very effective on ODI's ,particularly as an opener.Often displayed the penchant in stepping up the run rate when required like agaisnt England in 1982-83.A champion in all types of conditions .




    17.Adam Gilchrist

    Few batsmen ever looked as much as of they were setting a stadium on fire as Adam Gilchrist.No left-hander has been as explosive on a cricket field or turned a game 180 degrees so abruptly as Gilly.Intimidated bowlers in ODI's more than Tendulkar or Lara and at one stage averaged over 60 in tests.Amongst the 5 best match-winners of all time.




    18.Zaheer Abbas

    No batsmen rivalled him for sheer majestic grace which he took to heights of divinty.Averaged over 44 in test cricket and 47.62 in ODI's which speaks for itself.In tests the best batsman on flat tracks like when scoring double centuries in England in 1971 and 1974 and against India at home in 1978-79 and 1982-83.His 93 v West Indies in 1979 prudential world cup semi-final was a classic.



    19.Clive Lloyd

    The ultimate epitome of consistency who was at his best agaisnt the express pace of Lille and Thomson,topping batting avergae and run aggregate in 1975-76.Prolific in any type of conditions and overshadowed even Viv Richards in test from 1981-85.His batting in ODI's played a crucial role in victories in triangular tournaments in Australia in 1981-82 and 1984-85 and in the 1975 inaugural Prudential world cup.




    20.Aravinda De Silva /Saed Anwar

    Craftsmanship revealing the subtle oriental artistry of subcontinent .Aravinda was a master on bad wickets with the soundest technique .Anwar could dissect or destroy bowling as much as Lara on his day.
     
  2. Don Quixote
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    I agree with you here, Sachin at the top.
     
  3. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Saeed Anwar and Inzamam for me..
     
  4. Harsh Thakor
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    Tendulkar is no 1 when you strictly look at the statistics, and surely numbers don’t lie. And as you said, the Longavity while maintain a high average is mind boggling.

    also; Kohli doesn’t belong to the list as you stated in title, “who WAS.......?
     
  6. Bilal123
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    Ricky for me. Won honours in ODIs and Tests and was the main man always. A true great is a winner too. So hard to select based just on pure batting so he wins based on achievements
     
  7. Harsh Thakor
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    Did Ponting not have advantage of playing for a champion team?He did not face same pressure as Tendulkar andwas not as good a player of spin.Does not 100 international centuries of Tendulkar speak for itself?
     
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    How do you rate Lara and Viv comparitively?Why Kohli not right up there?Javed Miandad?
     
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    Agree with my rankings?
     
  10. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    As I stated earlier, you are asking for the players in the PAST who are now retired - so Kohli is not in this race.

    Again, if you strict with the books and statistics then Lara may look good on the paper when compared to Viv or Miandad.

    And this is where you sorta lack the broad vision of putting a value on player.
    Good statistics many times, do not capture what the actual situation and match environment of the many games were part of a player' career.
    What was the personal aura and impact of the player? What bearing did the mere presence of a player had on the field?
    What kinda team support he had from the fellow specialists in the team? What kinda politics was cooking within the team? Were there any grouping in the team? What kinda cricket board the player was dealing with? What kinda corruption was impacting a player's ability to focus on the game?
    What era he played in? What rules a player played under? How were the pitches made in certain era? I mean in the Viv era, the pitches were not even covered over night.

    And one of the most important and perhaps an extremely impactful statistic that is almost always not considered is, how many times at an average a the player have won the Man of Match awards?

    Also take a look at Lara and Tendulkar - both were hungry for runs. That was their main focus.
    Viv's focus was to have an impact and punish the opposition, thus he took more risks. He didn't give a sh!t about scoring centuries and building high averages.
    Javed was more of a hungry man for victory.

    All three factors can't be captured by statistics and averages and run rates.


    As I stated above, rankings are very subjective in cricket. There are so many factors that can be taken into account or ignored to prove a point. There is perhaps no right or wrong.

    Here is an example, Imran Khan had a more impact and bearing on the field than Tendulkar.
    Does that make Imran a better batsman than Tendulkar? Surely not.
    Does that make Imran a better "player" than Tendulkar? Perhaps yes.
     
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  11. Shahzad.Firdous
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    What did Sachin ever win for India? 2011 World Cup to Pakistan ne packet mein wrap kar ke Sachin ko gift mein diya.. eik to 6 catches drop kiye uper se Shoaib Akhtar ko nahi khilaya jo biggest rival tha Sachin ka.. Pakistan aadhe World Cup to Waqar Younus ki waja se haara hai be it 96 2011 2015... Waqar kabhi bhi aap ko World Cup nahi jeeta sakta hai he is an unlucky person for all his life... Wasim ne aap ko 92 jeetane mein main role play kiya 99 ke final tak pohanchaya kabhi Wasim ko Coach bana kar dekho instead of Waqar..
     
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    Acha hua Waqar 92 mein nahi tha warna 92 bhi harwa deta!!
     
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    Another example,

    Rumesh Ratnayake hits Clive Lloyd's face.
    Lloyd spits out a bloody tooth and goes back to the crease to face the next ball. Can Anyone from this list do that? Can this be captured in the statistics and averages and rankings?
     
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    Only Inzamam could do that~~
     
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    For me Ricky Ponting is number 1 in combined ODI and Test.

    Viv Richards
    Rahul Dravid
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Javed Miandad

    Above 4 makes the top 5 for me.

    Kholi although great should not be in this list, he is still going strong.
     
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    Ricky isn't even among the top 20 test bats of all time so can't be ranked #1 overall even if he was the greatest ODI batsman of all time which he isn't.
     
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  18. Don Quixote
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    I won't argue here as you have already mentioned it. Sachin Tendulkar for me overall. The best batsman of all time.
     
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    1. Viv Richards
    2. Javed Miandad
    3. Ricky Ponting
     

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