25 players announced for initial camp for Ireland & England tours

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  1. Munna
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    National Selection Committee headed by Inzamam ul Haq calls the following players for an initial camp from 11th till 15th April, 2018 at Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore prior the tour of Ireland and England.

    The final Test squad will be announced later and their camp will continue from 18th-22nd April, 2018

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  2. Red Devil
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    Abbas is going to play county cricket? Nice.
     
  3. Mohammed Bilal
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    Inzi lives up to expectations.

    How can anyone criticise him now, he’s been excellent.

    To all the haters there is no Shan Masood in the Squad, no Hafeez or Wahab.

    People need to remind themselves of the previous trash selectors, the WC Squad was an example of poor selection.
     
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    Yeh, he is going to play for Leicestershire who arn’t a big team so Abbas will be their main man
     
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    I will criticize him if he selects Bhanja ahead of Fawad in the final line up
     
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    I think there is no need for a third specialist pacer, I would pick Fahim over Amir, as he can be a reliable batsman, but as they haven't selected a reliable batting all rounder, picking Fahim as a batting all rounder is must, in order to share the overs burden.

    My playing XI:

    Azhar
    Fakhar
    Haris
    Fawad
    Salahuddin
    Fahim
    Sarfraz + *
    Shadab
    Amir (should shun defensive length, if not, then, I would replace him with Shaheen)
    Hasan
    Abbas
     
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    there is no question that he is better than his predecessors but he I still poor. hes a 5/10 perhaps, when his predecessors were 0/10.

    no sadaf? no selfie (even though I hate him, the only format he can play is tests, and he is far better than Aslam in the long format) and what the hell is imam doing there?
     
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    fahim at 6??? in the early british summer?? are you betting on innings defeats? it is suicide to have batsmen averaging 30 in FC at 6 in a test.

    1. Fakhar
    2. missing opener
    3. Azhar
    4. Haris
    5. Alam
    6. Salahuddin
    7. Sarfraz
    8. Faheem
    9. Spinner
    10. should be a high end tall pacer like sadaf
    11. abbas

    haris and alam can soak up some overs if necessary, theres only space for three specialist bowlers so tey have to be the very best wicket taking options we have, and amir has stated he doesnt want to play and so will underperform.
     
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    His banja is a opener, Fawad is a middle order batsman, there arnt quality openers in domestic cricket.

    Whilst in the middle order Saad Ali and Usman Salahuddin are top players that give Fawad competition.
     
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    Junaid Khan should be there instead of Mir Hamza

    Imam ul Haq better not be selected for the final squad.
     
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    Excellent squad. Really happy for Fawad's inclusion and Shan's exclusion
     
  12. iho
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    Azhar, Sami, Babar, Fakhar are all openers . Why do we need the 5th opener ? I'm okay if he replaces Sami with the bhanja but lets see where this ends up with.
     
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    how has a guy with less than 2,000 fc runs at less than 35 make the senior squad? unless its a sifarshi pick? and yet a problematic opener, who has been selected in another formats squad, so clearly discipline has not been an impediment, is left out when he has scored over 5000 fc runs at over 42.

    imam is crap, despite one flukey eyes closed slogging innings.

    equally, babar. he cannot play the long game. he has proved it over 2,000 fc runs, he has proved it over 22 tortuous and horrific test innings where hes averaging 24; and yet he gets a pass? how much more evidence do you need that he is not (yet) a test bat?

    there is no defence for this.

    as it happens, I'm glad to see saad Ali in there, he averages the same as sallu, but whereas sallu has the experience of 6,300 fc runs, saad has less than half of that, so I hope they make the right decision there.
     
  14. Mohammed Bilal
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    When was Babar an Opener?

    He’s an opener only in T20s, you have to be lost to make him open in Test cricket in England of all places.

    This is not the final squad so it keeps the options open as you can select the best two out of Sami, Imam and Fakhar to open with Azhar or you might want to send Azhar at 3 and play an extra opener.

    We also need to look at openers as over the last few years we have had 16 different people opening so it’s a problem.
     
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    Name me a opener in Domestic cricket better than Imam that is not in or around the pak team.

    The next best openers are Khurram and Butt so you must be happy with them or no?

    This is just a preliminary squad, Chill out.
     
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    Dude I understand how this game is played by the selectors. If I'm lost in calling Babar as a test opener then Inzi is completely lost if he selects his Bhanja as a test opener for England series. Inam averages 34 in FC.
     
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    this is just a message board - why dont you chill out. if you cant handle someone challenging your ill thought out views, perhaps you should stick to needlework or whatever else you feel comforted by.

    I thought that message was pretty clear. lets try to make it clearer for you:

    INZI selects: player A: innings 61, runs 1,792, average 34.5
    INZI omits: player B: innings 125, runs 5,041, average 42.0

    to give you the name you are so desperate for: ahmed shehzad.

    why would he only be selecting an opener "not in or around the pak team", is this a new icc regulation, or is that the desperate lengths you have to go to for justifying picking a player as crap as imam?
     
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    Mate, there is no Ponting in Domestic cricket, no opener averages 40 apart from Umar Siddiq.

    Israrullah is a opener from Peshawar that has had good numbers but he is a total hack and has failed when he played for the A team.

    Hafeez, Butt and Khurram are good openers but they arnt exactly what we need as they are mediocre at the highest level of cricket.

    There is Imran Butt who has been decent but he didn’t do great last season in FC.

    Imam had a average of 49 in the QeA Trophy 2016-17 season he also scored a 200 in the final, Imam also scored two hundreds in the ACC emerging Asia Cup and on his debut against Sri Lanka he scored a hundred so his name in the preliminary squad is merited and that puts pressure on Sami to keep his place, although I belive he should not be selected for the final squad.

    Shehzad has not been included because he has been in poor form and has attitude problems according to Mickey.
     
  19. Mohammed Bilal
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    He hasn’t been selected because he has had problems with his attitude.
     
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    This is rubbish. Shehzad was just picked for T20 series against Windies so to say suddenly he has attitude problem is a crap. There is clear nepotism in play. If we don't have good players to select with in domestic then need to make the best out of what we have. We can't select crappy players because they are bound to fail. We also need to create room for player of Fawad's calibre even if it means selecting one less opener for the series. This whole notion of justifying selections that he is an opener(average batsman) versus he is not (good batsman) and hence the decision is all crap.
     
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    People here are obsessed with stats man. Sometimes you have to pick players based on their raw ability and potential.

    If you go by domestic stats alone then even Babar doesn't deserve to be there.
     
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    He doesn't deserve to be there. it is simple. mediocre Test batsman. even Imad Wasim is better.
     
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    My point exactly.

    You rate Imad higher because his FC average his better than Babar.
     
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    precisely. which is why hes averaging 24 in tests and is an utter failure in that format.

    we've had a decade of picking players based on raw ability and we are at 7th in tests in the world and nearly didnt make the last cut off for an icc wc limited overs tournament as a result of that policy.

    stats are not everything, but you have to have good reason to ignore them if they are used properly - they are just proven to be the very best predictors of performance available, thats unbiased cold hard fact unfortunately. they are not perfect, but they are better than everything else.
     
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  27. iho
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    stats do not lie 9 out of 10 times. Babar is good in list A and so he has performed well in ODI and T20. Babar is average in FC and hence he has been so far poor in Test cricket. People are hoping that he will come good (1 out of 10 probability) but not sure if he will get more chances if he fails again during England series.
     
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    Only 10 odd matches into his career and he's already been labeled as an ''utter failure'' lmao.

    Why do we even need selectors if we're gonna pick players purely based on stats. Just go on Cricinfo, arrange by runs/wickets and pick whoever shows up. :rolleyes:
     
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    It should mostly be a ceremonial job, or need for selectors. Although, selectors must only be for selecting players for domestic cricket, not for International cricket.
     
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    Or selectors must filter among the top performers, according to stats. Stats must always be the top priority for any selector.
     
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    Don't pick players only on stats but do not ignore stats when picking the player. Stats should be one of the criteria on top of other things and that is job of selectors. Selectors should not pick players purely on their gut feelings and ignoring the stats completely because that is where the room is created for nepotism.
     
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    Imam has averaged 42.80 over the last two years in FC cricket.

    How is it nepotism?
     
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    What are his overall stats?
     
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    If he is that good then let him play one more season and improve his performance in FC then no one will challenge his selection. At the moment it is nepotism
     
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    They don’t matter, Steve Waugh if I am right averaged 30 for the first 3 years in Intl cricket but he improved, Imam’s stats show that he is improving which must mean he has the potential to play at the highest level.
     
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    It’s only nepotism if he makes the 17 man squad heading for England.

    This is only a preliminary squad that highlights potential candidates.
     
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    Lets see how big a Steve Waugh he turns out to be but if he fails then people will say we told you he is Sifarishi. Plucking the fruit before it is ripe sometimes results in destroying the fruit completely. Yet alone sending him to England.
     
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    Thats what I meant but leaving Shehzad out and bringing him in the squad of 25 is also raising eyebrows.
     
  39. Mohammed Bilal
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    Shehzad needs to play a full season of FC cricket and perform.
     
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    I didn't know if he missed the season last time but yes he should play in FC and perform.
     

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