25 players announced for initial camp for Ireland & England tours

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  1. godzilla
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    well not doing that has really worked well hasnt it? anyone who understand statistics understands that it is contextual and their use is not quite as black and white as you seem to think. an average of 20 odd for a middle order bat after 21 innings isnt an utter failure? is it a success in your book?

    he may come good, certainly, but until he does - in domestic - why on earth would you be happy in losing test after test based on your armchair wet finger in the air guess of who has "talent"?
     
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    What would you rather do, drop the most promising young batsman you've produced in recent history and play Kamran Akmal instead? You've to be patient and show some foresight when developing young players.

    You've to pick the right players to invest in and there's simply nobody with a higher ceiling than Babar in our ranks.
     
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    No we should not drop him. Keep an eye on him and provide him the right training. Let him play couple of FC seasons. He is only 23 at the moment. Once he proves his abilities as a player in FC then we should bring him into test circuit. International test cricket is not the place for experiments while we continue to lose test after test.
     
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    lol bro just give it up and admit he shouldnt be there. facts are facts.

    QEA 17/18:

    http://www.pcb.com.pk/averages-repo...rder=desc&match_type_id=10&new_page_limit=100

    4. shehzad ave 59
    17. fakhar ave 40
    57. Azhar ave 29
    64. imam ave 28

    not that one or two seasons mean anything - thats a misuse of stats. but if you want to go to do that, why average over two years, just pick the last one where he flopped. if you want to include 16/17, he did much better, but still worse than Shehzad and fakhar over the two years.

    and as a last note, if you take out his one flukey score of 200, even in 16/17 he averages a very poor 34.
     
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    Jesus Christ.

    promising. based on what? his odi form? t20 form? whats that got to with tests? the only promise we can extract is from his fc performances which are awful. if he improves, fine, get him in, but why on earth would anyone want to play a guy who before he has shown he can play in a format?

    and in terms of alternatives? are you kidding? do you know anything about the players in pakistan at all?

    alam, haris, salahuddin, saad even shafiq - there's 5 players for three mid order batting slots that are not a tiny bit better, but are PROVEN to be massively better over fc careers of thousands of runs. why would you ignore this?

    just look at the difference, why would you want to have your team at such a massive disadvantage?

    4. alam (55 / 10,700)
    5. haris (52 / 4,000)
    6. salahuddin (47 / 6,300)

    saad (47 / 3,500)
    asad (38 / 7,300)

    babar ( 34 / 2,100)

    numbers are (FC ave/Total FC runs)
     
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    Very Good for a 25 man squad except Bilal Asif.Glad to see no Shehzad and Shan.
     
  7. Dare2Dream
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    Younis Khan's early test career also comes to mind.
     
  8. Dare2Dream
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    Azhar's FC average tells you that FC stats are only one part of the equation.
     
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    Shahzad is a surprise exclusion he should be there ahead of Sami & Imam.

    16 players final squad should be

    Fakhar
    Sami
    Azhar
    Fawad
    Haris
    Salahuddin
    Babar
    Asad
    Asghar
    Shadab
    Amir
    Hasan
    Abbas
    Rahat
    Sarfaraz
    Rizwan
     
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    on what basis ? form ? he's been very poor in Tests
     
  11. Mohammed Bilal
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    Bilal Asif is a Off spinner and he can bat, there are very few genuine off spinners in Pakistan so I feel he gives the spin bowling variety.
     
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    tbh I don’t rate Imam nor do I like his attitude and for a youngster he is quite shoda, It’s just that I like the job done by Inzi as a selector, he has been a very good selector and it pains to see people disrespect him over one or two questionable selections after all that he has done.

    Hassan Ali was never in contention for a spot in the national team, he had a decent A tour but nothing special, he was selected, Abbas is another domestic performer selected by Inzi and now Saad Ali and Salahuddin. Faheem who would never have been selected had one good match in the Pakistan cup and was selected so it shows Most of his selections have paid off, I think the only poor selection he has made till now is the selection of Shan Masood constantly and the odd comeback like Akmals, Gul, Wahab and Hafeez, I will only call Imam a poor selection once he fails.

    You mentioned Sadaf-he isn’t selected because Azhar Mahmood and Mickey don’t rate him so it’s not really Inzis fault on that, some people belive Shehzad should be selected and some don’t, I belive he is a good Test player but for him to come into contention he has to work on his discipline and play a full domestic season and perform.
     
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    Lets wait to see if Iman makes to final 16 or 17 then you can exonerate him. So lets hope for the best.
     
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    Still an experienced attacking option who will benefit from the English conditions. Also has experience in English conditions, after his County stints.
     
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    if experience is the criteria then bring on Akmals, Butts and Shehzads
     
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    Expect that kind of bull**** 'argument' from you.
     
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    I'm only supporting what you said. You want players to be picked on the basis of their experience right ? then why double standards ?

    Make one criteria and stick with it. This is hypocritical behavior
     
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    Bughz alert
     
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    not at all. I was the only backer of Junaid in ODs when everyone was against his inclusion
     
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    Would have liked Agha Salman instead of Bilal.
     
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    Didn't know he could bowl too? Off spin?
     
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    Yeah he's a decent off spinner.
     
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    List is good and I am very certain now that Sadaf Hussain will never play for Pakistan. I don't know what they don't like about him, but guy at least deserved a chance. If Abbas can play then he should've got few games too.

    However, maybe he's not that good and now officially almost 29 as well, and with the emergence of young Shahin his chances are over.
     
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    I presume batting all-rounder?
     
  26. Shahzad.Firdous
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    1. Azhar Ali
    2. Fawad Alam / Fakhar Zaman
    3. Babar Azam
    4. Harris Sohail
    5. Asad Shafiq
    6. Hussain Talat
    7. Sarfraz
    8. Shadab Khan
    9. Amir
    10. Hassan
    11. Rahat
     
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    Didnt know youngsta beauty can open too.
     
  28. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Would be worth the gamble and will win the series. But would have to think how we can accommodate Fakhar Zaman as he is a valuable player too./ Test cricket needs players like him too who can take the game to the opposition but the team need comes first! He will have to adapt his game to the needs of test cricket!!
     
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    Yes he normally bats at 7 for LHR in the first class and still averages 32 and his bowling is not that bad either as he maintains the average of 34 at 3.1 economy while not getting to bowl that much.
     
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    He bats at 5 in FC.

    He is more of a batsman, they have already got Fawad Alam and Haris who can bowl a bit.
     
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    Gamble in a short 2 Test series that too in ENG, thanks but no thank. Early summer in ENG is no place to do such adventures.

    You best bet is play specialist at every position, because it's TEST. And by the same token Fakhar should open with Azhar, its no brainer. Because former is in form of his life and if settled well, then it will give us much needed stroke maker at top of order, which our one dimensional team desperately need. Because currently there is nobody who can make quick runs and charge on opposition and push RR to over 4.
     
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    In England we will win if we score quick, 220 in a day will never help, compare that to 335 which is more than enough in England.
     
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    If I am not mistaken then Sarfu didnt use Harry to bowl some overs. Hoping he will toss the ball at him this time.
     
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    Thats why I said having Fakhar could give you luxury to push RR to even 4 at time.
     
  35. Mohammed Bilal
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    Talat is one for the future in Tests I would take a speacialist Batsman ahead of him or even a more established alrounder like Amear Yamin.
     
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    He bowled quite well against Sri Lanka considering he didn’t bowl for 2 years, it’s strange really because it’s the first time I have seen a bowler bowling consistantly without bowling much in FC cricket beforehand.
     
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    RR of 4 is quite risky but if you go at a RR of 4 for two sessions you get to 240 which isn’t a bad score.
     
  38. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Hussain Talat is more of a batting allrounder and we need a batting allrounder. Fahim and Aamir Yamin are more of bowling allrounders. We need someone who can bat at 6 as well as bowl some overs with the old ball to release pressure on frontline pacers!! Hussain Talat is an ideal allrounder we have found now and we must select him!!
     
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    The 150 he scored against Srilanka was as an opener but it would be unfair to him to send him to open an innings in England
     
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    I wasn't amaze, because in a interview he was asked this question and he revealed that he worked on Musi at NCA on his bowling.
     

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