A hero sentenced for 33 years in prison

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  1. Inswinger
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    One of the dumbest comments I've read in a while. So you're saying that killing 10 innocent civilians to target one potential terrorist is justified?
     
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    what next, george bush is a hero? we liberated people of iraq and afghanistan and installed peaceful democracy? isreal is a ''democracy'' . I feel disgusted at american sympathisers.
     
  3. zeenix
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    Agree with you to a certain extent, but let me ask you a question. Between carpet bombing of the PAF which annihilates whole villages, or the targetted drone strikes by the US which results in some collateral damage, which one is "MORE" acceptable.
     
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    So a Drone Supporter is an American Sympathizer. That means our Military is the biggest American sympathizer.
     
  5. Inswinger
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    Villagers are given ample time to relocate before any army action. Can't say the same about drones, especially double strikes.
     
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    What I find strange is that people living in Pakistan don't tend to mind the drone strikes as their hatred of the Armed Forces is greater than anything foreigners can do. It's ironic that people living in the US, UK, Canada, etc are more vocal about these acts.
     
  7. zeenix
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    Really.. Well North and South Waziristanians would beg to differ. Also would the people of Mohmand and Bajaur.. and Orakzai..
     
  8. Saul Goodman
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    Zeenix yes its arguable that drone strikes are the 'lesser of two evils' but that doesnt negate the fact that drone strikes are counterproductive and beyond oversight. The objective test i would use is 'Would similar action be acceptable in NY or London?'
     
  9. Saul Goodman
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    So it seems that this Afridi had a chance to leave Pakistan but didnt because he thought he was cool with pakistan. Why would he have assumed that unless pakistan had a role in the hit. I stand by my initial assesment that pak were complicit in the OBL hit and sold afridi to keep the islamists from declaring open season on the state.
     
  10. zeenix
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    This last statement of yours is very subjective. Hajjaj Bin yousuf ordered raid on Sind because a few pirates had plundered his ships. Question is could anyone have done the same with Iraq during his rule. No. It depends on which spectrum of power do you lie. It has always been "Might is Right" like it or not.
     
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    But you arent fixing the problem that way, you are just putting a band aid, what makes you think that relatives of these innocent people killed in those drone attacks, wont have any vengeance or hatred in their hearts to take revenge and turn terrorists again (think about it from the perspective of a child whose parents are killed, brothers, sisters, children etc).

    You might kill a few terrorists with the drones, you cant kill the ideology, so you arent really fixing the problem are you?
     
  12. 1137moiz
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    It's quite funny how PPP supporters and pseudoliberal apologists have no other recourse than "Imran Khan is a fool lol why u luw him" argument.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/07/cia-unaccountable-drone-war

    2300 people have been killed by drone attacks and counting; by zeenix 's argument I'm assuming the sophisticated drones have killed 2300 militants including women and occasionally children (collateral damage). Yep let's spend generations demeaning the term "Shaheed" by applying it to crooks like ZAB (or if you're an army sympathizer, Zia-ul-Haq) but sit by and apply the label of militant/terrorist to any man/woman/child who gets gunned down by ultra-sophisticated US drones because their lives apparently matter less than the Bhuttos & political/military elite.
     
  13. 1137moiz
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    Though I disagree with you on this drone matter this is a very valid point mate
     
  14. Saul Goodman
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    Imho its not subjective at all. Its just the bog standard reasonable man test. Most people would not tolerate such action i the uk us etc.
    As for the hajaj bin yousuf person you mentioned i would have to say that his actions are hardly reasonable in fact ( assuming hes a politician in power) its a breach of his executive powers
     
  15. Major
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    Heard he was granted assylum?? Is this true?? Hope its true!

    Good for afridi sahib!!!!!! This guy deserves a civilian award....

    The army and isi probably hate afridi the most....
     
  16. Major
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    People dont look at the number of terrorists that have been killed from drone attacks... Drones have made a difference and there is no better alternave...

    Wonder what would happen if drobes weren't there.. Alot of terrorist would had been roaming freely...
     
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  18. Major
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    Pakistan is an un signatary... And afridi did nothing illegal, as pakistan was already an UN signatry for capturing bin laden... This is what the lawyer saidd...

    That is why shakil afridi was only tried in district court, run by a grade 17 officer lmaoooxxx
     
  19. Saul Goodman
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    ....drones good at targeting? yes are the targets valid? That is questionable.......the USA liberally interprets who is a legit target. If you are in a certain area and male of a certain age then your a legit target.
    If the USA wants to target Alqaeda, i heard syria is brimming with em........no wait they are being funded by the USA.
     
  20. Saul Goodman
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    Ohhh for the love of god , just shoot the rat dead and be done with it.
     

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