Ajmal is still good enough for T20s atleast and we dont have any option for T20s either!

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  1. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Shahzad.Firdous Cornered Tiger

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    Watched him in t20 match today at county cricket and he looked gud. he dint look the old Ajmal but he was still gud enuff and economical going for 26 in his 4 overs and picking a single wkt. We dont have any other option in t20s so might as well persist with him in t20s,. he can still be gud although he is not imparting the same amount of revolutions on the ball but he is still a wily customer when it comes to limited overs cricket!
     
  2. Passionate Pakistani
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    There is a big difference in county cricket and real cricket.. might as well recall Arafat as well then ?

    and pls dont use this chat language in title of thread. all these threads are automatically tweeted and doesn't give a good impression about site.
     
  3. Raf Pragmatic
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    We can yet replace Ajmal and bring Younus Khan. He can do his delusional spins.
     
  4. Don Corleone
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    Don Corleone Kaptaan

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    The guy got tonked by random T20 batsmen in Pakistan and got hit for 50 runs in the match before too. He's finished.
     
  5. Nadeem
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    Despite those somewhat impressive figures in county cricket, I believe Ajmal is no longer the bowler he was with the doosra in his armoury. Too predictable which allows the batmen the comfort to simply treat him like an ordinary off-spinner.

    If the we are looking for a window of opportunity to create a fresh new team for the foreseeable future, its probably best we someone young a crack (likely not to happen with the shambolic board).
     
  6. Ahson8
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    Are you frigging serious ?
    Zafar Gohar, Usama Mir, Mohammad Asghar, Shahzaib Ahmed, Karamat Ali, Kamran Ghulam, Yasir Shah ?
     
  7. Patriot
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    let's see if he is going to improve further
     
  8. Ahson8
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    Ahson8 Sultan of Swing

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    Shoaib Malik > Ajmal v2.
     
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    Mind explaining how this is off topic @Wistful Reminisces ? I think Malik's bowling is better than Ajmal after his remodeled action :shrug
     
  10. ComradeVenom
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    This is what I wanted from Ajmal. He was a servant of Pakistan cricket for a long time and helped us to many successes. The least we owed him was 1-2 games so he could be back in the radar for overseas tournaments and could make some money before he retired.

    I fear his time is up in international cricket but he can play CPL FLT20 etc for a few years.
     
  11. Desi_Joker
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    I doubt any county is going to want him on their team after this season. He's an ordinary off-spinner now of which there are so many that he doesn't warrant a place in a side as an overseas player.
     
  12. Omar
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    Wasn't getting any turn as he was taken for 10 off his first over and despite that Brendon Taylor threw his wicket away which courtesy a really good catch.

    As @ComradeVenom has said, he's pretty much done as an international player and can play in these T20 leagues around the world if chosen and fitness permitted.
     
  13. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    No.

    We should look past Ajmal now.
     
  14. Energy
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    Ajmal will be relatively effective in domestic leagues and that's absolutely fine - he's got earn a living at the end of the day.

    Pakistan has to move on though and look at other upcoming players.
     
  15. Munna
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    "We dont have any other options", this is the mentality destroying Pakistan cricket. This is why we are still stuck in 90's mode of cricket and players like Maliks/Akmals etc are still mentioned in selection discussions.

    Same was said when Qadir was nearing an end in late 80s, then when Mushtaq wasn't performing in mid and late 90s, and then Saqlain, then Kaneria, and now we have Ajmal. But in between all of these guys were some tried and discarded spinners like Tauseef Ahmed, Akram Raza, Arshad Khan, Mohammed Hussain, Shoaib Malik (started as a bowler remember), and we may also include Zulfiqar and Abdur Rehman etc etc.

    You got to dare testing new talent and youngsters before eventually finding a long term permanent spinner of your team. And this is the time to try out as many youngsters as possible as the world cup and test championship is still a long time away.
     
  16. Shahzad.Firdous
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    are these rite arm off break doosra bowlers. well doosra bowler is needed for death over bowling. zafar gohar is a left arm spinner, usama mir is a legspinner, Asghar dont know about him is he an offspinner with a doosra? i dont think so, karamat ali left arm spin, kamran ghulam what does he offer? offspin doosra? Yasir Shah another leggie and with Afridi in the team i think u cant have 2 legspinners in a t20 cus leggies are generally expensive but one legspinner is a must in any format.
     
  17. cricketjunkie
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    How many spinners do you want in your T20 team we already have Afridi .Malik and Hafeez . And with WC being in india all three will probably 4 overs so that's 12 overs . How many more spinners would you want
     
  18. Shahzad.Firdous
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    As far as i see it Afridi can bowl 3 at most on his present bowling form, Hafeez is only a 2 overs bowler in t20s, malik can only bowl against zimbabwe, against gud teams he can hardly bowl more than 1 over in a t20, that leaves 4 overs to be bowled by Ajmal - the king of all!! And Ajmal will bowl 3 or 2 of his overs at the death when hitting is on whereas Afridi and Hafeez will bowl in the middle overs.
     
  19. Shahzad.Firdous
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    This is my t20 team for t20 WC to be played in india next yr

    1. Mukhtar Ahmed
    2. Ahmed Shahzad
    3. Hafeez
    4. Shoaib Malik
    5. Umar Akmal
    6. Shahid Afridi (C)
    7. Sarfaraz
    8. Amir
    9. Gul / Wahab Riaz
    10. Ajmal
    11. Irfan
    Reserves: Sohaib Maqsood, Wahab Riaz, Another offspinner who can bowl doosra, Nauman Anwar

    If bowling first, Irfan and Amir to start. Irfan to bowl 2 overs at the start, Amir to bowl 3, 5th over by Gul.
    Gul to bowl 7th and 9th as well. Ajmal to bowl 8th and 10th. So after 10 overs, Irfan and Ajmal 2 each, Amir and Gul 3 each.
    Afridi and Hafeez to bowl between overs 11 and 15. Afridi to bowl 3 and Hafeez 2. Irfan to bowl 16th. Ajmal to bowl his 2 and Gul to bowl his last over. Irfan to bowl final over.

    If bowling 2nd, Irfan and Hafeez to start and bowl 2 each. Gul and Ajmal to bowl 1 over each in the power play.
    6 overs to be bowled by Afridi and Amir straight between 7th and 12th over. Irfan to bowl 13th. Ajmal and Gul to bowl 6 straight. Irfan to bowl the last over.
     
  20. Passionate Pakistani
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    This is potentially a world cup winning strategy.. why dont you apply for vacancy of coach ?

    @SwingNSeam
     
  21. cricketjunkie
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    Hafeez is only a 2 overs bowler in t20s (Are you serious )
    malik can only bowl against zimbabwe, against gud teams he can hardly bowl more than 1 over in a t20 (he is been bowling his quota in BBL IMO the toughest T20 league )
    And what has Ajmal done with his new action besides getting hit around
     
  22. Shahzad.Firdous
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    in intl cricket, Malik has mostly played as a batting allrounder rather than as a bowler and he is selected for his batting here,. can u imagine Malik bowling 4 overs in a t20 game against india? i dont!! i would back Ajmal to do that!!
     
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    Can you imagine Ajmal bowling 4 overs against India or SA . He got samshed by our local crickets and also BD boys got know what SA and India will do to him
     
  24. Shahzad.Firdous
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    yes i can imagine him bowling to india cus eventhough his action has been remodeled but Ajmal is the same and he is experienced enuff to know what to do!!
     
  25. Energy
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    What did his experience do against Bangladesh?
     
  26. Shahzad.Firdous
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    well in the first odi, his first spell was decent and economical. he went for runs in the death overs. As it was his first odi on return, he went for runs but still he dint look as bad,. then in 2nd odi, he bowled better and picked a wkt as well. Then when he was getting better, selectors dropped him in the 3rd odi which was ok but dropping him altogether was the wrong move in my opinion specially from t20s. And as we had already lost odi series 3 nil there was little he could do in t20s specially when only 140 was set by our batsmen in t20s. i think he needs to be given one more opportunity to excel in t20s cus he is absolutely miserly when it comes to t20s!
     
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    You need to know that 'doosra' bowlers now will probably get reported the first match they play, the new action testing procedures means the doosra is pretty much redundant now. There are 'doosra' bowlers in PAK such as the like of Adnan Rasool, Misbah Khan, there was another I can't recall - but these guys will get reported for chucking and will get banned.

    About these spinners, Zafar is a very good option for T20 because he can bowl tight lines and get the occasional delivery to spin each over. Mohammad Asghar's left armers are seriously impressive, he produces a lot of turn. Usama Mir is a genuine wicket taking option, he was brilliant in the Super 8 for Sialkot and ended up as highest wicket taker. Karamat Ali bowls leg spin not left arm spin :fp

    But Id give him some time to mature. Yasir, I don't rate too high for LO's but he'd still probably do better than what Ajmal's currently doing. Kamran Ghulam is another left arm spinner and he can bat as well...
     
  28. Energy
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    Gone are the days when off-spin used to be specialist position. It is more of a part-time thing now and guys like Raina, Malik, Hafeez, Moeen Ali, Dilshan, Duminy have been used by teams effectively.

    Its a different story when you have Narine or Ashwin who have many variations but a pure off-spinner is hardly useful in today's game if he's not going to contribute with the bat.

    How many pure offies have been premiere bowlers for their countries after Murali?
     
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    Graeme Swann ? Had a clean action too...
     
  30. Ahson8
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    But yes, I agree with @Energy. Swann was a class act and there aren't too many others like him currently. An off spinner with a doosra is likely to get banned for chucking, while pure off spinners who don't bowl the doosra and can't bat aren't too useful. It's better to play a leggie or a left arm spin option, and then use a part timer like Malik or Hafeez for a few overs of off spin.
     
  31. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Saqlain and Ajmal the best of all!
     
  32. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Saqlain and Ajmal the best of all offspinners and Swann too very decent!
     
  33. s_h_a_f
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    @Shahzad.Firdous tum yaar cricket sirf dekho...
    planning/tactics/selection tu rehnde :rolleyes:
     
  34. Shahzad.Firdous
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    dekh lena ill once again be vindicated! i am always proven rite!!
     
  35. Ahson8
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    Swann was special though because he had a clean action.
     
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    You only get vindicated in your own mind bro
     

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