Asad Shafiq inability to score match winning centuries

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  1. Passionate Pakistani
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    8 out of his 12 centuries are in lost games.

    Whats the point ?

    Does anyone remember when was the last time he won a match for Pakistan or was motm ?

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    Actaully its lost or drawn games. But yeah point stands. And 2 of those 100's came vs Bangladesh lol
     
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    Average batter. A poor return after given a long run in the side
     
  4. Wistful Reminisces
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    Him and the tailender are the two biggest mistakes in Pakistan Cricket.
     
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    As if we have two Rick Pontings, three Inzimams and four Steve Waughs waiting on the benches.

    Who else isn't a mediocre batsman in the current team AND in the entire domestic circle?

    IMO, Asad Shafiq suffered quite a bit for not having a consistent spot in the batting order. He has been continuously moved up and down the order over the years. And this started under the good ol' Waqar Yonus's coaching stint where he single handedly destroyed the entire batting culture of Pak cricket.

    And this is my personal opinion but with a few meet ups I had with him, I am 100% confident that Asad Shafiq is the most intelligent, calm, mature and well composed player who has a pretty good understanding of cricket.

    He also has a good emotional control on his tongue, and speaks wisely.

    None of this is a guarantee of him becoming the greatest captains of all time - but I think he is our best captaincy option for now - as they say, andhon mein kana raja.
     
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    Are we talking about the same Shafiq? Out of 111 innings, he's played 76 of those in the same position. Where is this continuous moving up and down the order?

    Six more are at number 7 where he was moved down to get quick declaration runs, because Sarfraz and Misbah knew that Sarfaraz was a better bet for quick runs than the actual number 6
     
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    Pls, Azhar is much better than this choker and has contributed to some good wins in Pakistan cricket.
    I can barely remember a winning contribution from Shafiq
     
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    7 of his hundreds are in lost and drawn games too

    Which includes 3 against West Indies and Bangladesh lmao. So 8 hundreds in winning causes.

    The others include a 100 in a total of 570 (Younis got a double, not match winning), and a 100 in the second innings of the same game, where we batted again for zero reason

    Obviously this is in Dubai. So this is 5 of his match winning hundreds against either poor opposition or in one game. 25% of his match winning hundreds come from one game lmao

    Only one of these was genuinely match winning, against England, when we got out for 99. He was averaging 20 for the year before this series.

    He's as bad as Shafiq. His runs have zero value. He scores too slowly for his runs to matter.

    If we had a combo of Shafiq and Azhar, they'd be an okay-ish player, but both are mediocre
     
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    Forget stats for a while and use your memory.

    What's the best performances Shafiq has got for us in a win ? Can't really think of any. The best innings he's played was probably that one against Australia in the pink ball test, but he choked as usual in the end.

    Now lets think about Azhar. He contributed in our CT semi and final wins big time. He played that innings in Sharjah. He made a rearguard 100 with YK vs England after we were bowled out for 99 in the first innings.

    The two aren't even comparable. Sure, Azhar is a limited player, but he has won us games. Shafiq hasn't
     
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    How long have both been playing? Shafiq is shit, I don't think he's a benchmark for anything.

    You can point out TWO test innings in 8 years. That's the reality of it. To think that tailender is a good investment is a joke. He's got less than two hundreds an year. So has Shafiq. That's the truth of it.
     
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    Ahson8 Sultan of Swing

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    Those are his two standout innings. He's played other good knocks too. Iwas just recalling these from memory
     
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    He only has 8 hundreds in winning games, and 2 of those are in one game, and 3 are against minnows so... err.... no
     
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    Whenever batsman score hundred immediately their team chances of wining increase, however this does not apply for Asad and Azhar for some reason, screams out FAILED INVESTMENTS.
     
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    We win more of the games they fail in lmao, it's actually hilarious, if it wasn't so sad.
     
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    First thing that comes in my mind when a batsman scores hundred his team is gonna win, like Pujara scored one for India now his team chances of wining are very high.
     
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    Lost all respect for Azhar after what he did in the first match, people can make four runs with their legs, at worst I would have expected Abbas to get out, you watch when any other team is in that position, I’ll like to see how the set batsman gets out, will probably hit four and that’s that.

    He’s terrible in the fourth innings and when he does make runs he makes them to slow.
     
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    True that was terrible and he is bad in the 4th innings.Not denying that. Still a far better bat than Shafiq
     
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    I'll agree if you admit you are WR. Deal ?
     
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    I'll agree I'm WR if you agree, sure.

    Who is WR though? I thought I was some Wistful person, and that has no R in it?
     
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    Why be so lame Mr @Wistful Reminisces
     
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    Don't really remember lol. Good poster but could often get troll-ish which got on some people's nerves I guess
     
  23. Del
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    So I did some digging and found that Mr. midget made only 2 hundreds in his last 24 innings from 2016. One was against SL (and we lost that game) and other was in 3rd Test against NZ - and again, we lost the game.

    Here are his numbers, AVG becomes 36, AS SENIOR.
    50, 16, 4, 30, 22, 15, 0, 17, 13, 39, 20, 12, 112, 62, 1, 59, 27, 5, 80, 41, 44, 43, 45, 12, 104, 0.

    Azhar is somewhat better, and lately able to find his form, which is good omen. Three hundreds, few 80's and 60's, AVG becomes 37, AS SENIOR.

    1, 105, 10, 127, 3, 85, 0, 59, 17, 4, 2, 50, 4, 2, 11, 18, 4, 15, 64, 22, 65, 81, 134, 5.
     
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  24. Wistful Reminisces
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    So no difference, both not good enough, one slightly better
     
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    Ahhh so that's the WR part. I am from Sargodha though
     
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    Yup.

    And I dont even want to do the same comparison for other senior players of TOP teams, it will only hurt more.
     
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    i raised this point somewhere else after he scored his hundred and got out straight after and got flamed.

    ppl dont realise how crazy it is that hes got 70 tests barely averaging 40, and the lowest top score of anyone with 10 hundreds.

    azhar isnt much better but bats higher up, and took on the mantle of opening and did it decently well, bringing him back down the order was a mistake. asad never looked comfortable with the responsibility of going up the order.

    azhar is a super limited player who makes the most of the 4 shots he can play. asad has everything going for him but doesnt have the big innings mentality or mental strength to take a game by the scruff of the neck.

    if you dont read anything read this -> the lower batting order positions are not there to be occupied by "specialists" unless the top 5 is immovable, they are a entry point to blood in young batsmen who may have the potential to move up the order. having asad as a specialist number 6 has totally killed paks ability to blood in youngsters.

    azhar should open, asad should bat three, and if they fail kick em out and move on.
     
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    Only two scenarios in which our batsmen can score centuries.

    1. 300/3 onwards when there is no scoreboard pressure (although that statistics is also decreasing now)
    2. 50/4 where the match is done. A century when there's no pressure.
     
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    The shocking realisation/conclusion I have come to is you are all wrong, you actually are wrong, I think Saud Shakeel is a minnow basher in domestics, not even a domestic basher because he doesn’t turn up against the better department teams also this guy Saud fails when he’s given a chance, didn’t set the world alight with his A team stint when others were making centuries after century, Saad Ali is another domestic basher, he is also the type that makes soft runs against regional attacks, made most of his centuries last year against regional teams like Rawalpindi, Karachi, yes he made century for the A team but NZ A team attack was pretty average, then there is Usman Salahuddin who may be the best contender but his debut showed he has to work on a few things definitely isn’t close to Shafiq, Fawad is left but just looking at the trend I know he will also fail especially away from SC, Shafiq can score away from SC, at best Fawad would match Shafiq.

    At this point in time we can definitely find a better opener than Imam and a better batsman in Rizwan but Sarfraz as a WK has been top notch, maybe keeping pressure on Sarfraz will cause him to lift his game, Pakistan fans are the last people who should be complaining about Babar, I can certainly understand it if Babar was playing for India but no he’s playing for Pakistan, Babar is not even in our league tbh, it’s like Chahal going up to Michelle Keegan and telling her she’s ugly.
     
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    I was watching some news channel after the game where Shoaib Akhtar summed it up like this:

    The team will post a decent score on the board if Azhar clicks. They will restrict the opposition to a low score if Yasir clicks.

    Baaki 9 players kya ludo khelne aate hain? :D

    I think he meant nobody knows his role in the team but I believe that is an unnecessary exaggeration. We saw Bilal Asif and Hasan Ali doing well in this series too.

    Babar though talented, appears to be a very selfish player. Once he got to his 50 he played an atrocious hoick in the air. Had he tried to stick around with the tail you could have probably saved the test. He deserves to be dropped for a series for that shot alone.
     
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    @Mohammed Bilal
     
  33. KingOfDoosra
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    Criminal to compare Azhar Ali with this joker.

    Yes Azhar is averaging less than him rn and has a poor run of form but Azhar has contributed to some major wins for us over the years. Infact he was just as good as Younis for us between 2012-16.

    Not to forget his contributions in the ODI format, which was instrumental in our Champions Trophy win. Asad on the other hand got 50-60 ODIs and could barely average 20.
     
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    We are talking about tests, not ODI's. Mental Midget and Azhar have similar number of matches in which they've scored match winning centuries against non-minnow teams. That is, 2 tests.
     
  35. Mohammed Bilal
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    Yaar, you should stop thinking like you do when thinking about our cricket, of course your team would have saved the Test, our team can never do that, no way anyone was sticking with Babar for 23 overs especially mugs like Hassan Ali ft.

    I have a feeling he will get two centuries in SA, yes as an Indian you can criticise Babar because his Test record is trash but Pakistan next best players are Khurram, Salman Butt, Imran Farhat, thanks but no thanks.

    Sometimes it’s good to be selfish.
     
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    As a young kid will never forget Shafiq contribution in wining a WC match vs Australia who were unbeaten for so long since 1999.
     
  37. KingOfDoosra
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    Yeah man what a clutch inning he played chasing a mighty total of not even 180.
     
  38. Mohammed Bilal
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    Okay fine, now tell me of that Ricky Ponting who can replace him?
     
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    No one, there is no batting talent in Pakistan with the ability and temperament of someone like Younis, Yousuf, Inzamam and Misbah.

    Fawad had that temperament but the PCB wasted him due to their politics. Now he is also 33-34, no point wasting time on him either.
     
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    Exactly, guess we just have to put up with it, atleast you are honest and not like other posters who go on about naming twenty guys.
     
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