Azhar Ali - An option at #4 position in ODIs

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  1. Karachi-King
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    one thing I like about Azhar is that he gets you runs regardless of format and match condition. And that is golden for a side like Pakistan.

    Ofcourse the runs are often slow and out of tune for a modern opener.

    But often our problem is not only do we have other guys who bat very slow but they don't get much runs either.

    So on a comparative level you can say that Azhar Atleast gets runs. And is solid. Certainly doesn't look like a walking wicket like some of our other 'batsmen'

    However one thing is clear. In the long term unless his game changes dramatically (and I don't think it's possible) he will often be a liability as an opener in ODIs. I also believe that we need two modern attacking openers and he just doesn't fit the bill

    As an opener one of his major weakness is that he fails to rotate the strike and gets bogged down when the field is in.

    However he does get bat on ball and play some shots. But his strike rate is in 70s because the fielders in the circle cut off shots and if the field was spread out he would easily convert a lot of these dots into singles.

    So what do you guys think of trying him at #4.

    Scoring runs isn't the issue with him. It's strike Rotation and coming in at #4 would give him opportunity for. That. Also he gets to face spinners

    I think he can be a glue for our shaky middle order if he can average 40-45 at 80.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. P.B
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    You can always keep him in the 15 but if Sharjeel is back then....

    1.Fakhar Zaman
    2.Sharjeel Khan
    3.Babar Azam
    4.Haris Sohail
    5.Sarfraz Ahmed
    6.Shoaib Malik

    We really can't slot him anywhere.
     
  3. iZeeshan
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    iZeeshan Whispering Death

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    No way. I think he's fine for opening right now. Fakhar and Babar will play better if we are not 1-2 down early and I think Azhar does prevent that for the time being. Yes we won't score 350 or chase 300+ with Azhar opening but he's not really droppable until we find another opener who can play better without always going down early.
     
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    He prevents that 20/3 kind of a situation by solidly holding one end up and that was one of our problems during WI tour


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    I'm still concerned about Hafeez at number 4. Sarfraz should take up that position


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  7. Del
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    And what makes you think that opposition wouldn't bring in close fielders when he'll come to bat at no.4, hypnotically speaking? Every single international team knows his weakness, and they will force him to play dot balls. Plus, image what would will in Power play?

    Worse is, no.4 is responsible to setting up innings momentum. Either with upper order batsmen or lower order. He'll murder any kind of momentum if we had before he comes in the middle.

    Last but not the least, it's so painful on eyes at times when he try to play big shots. Clearly look out of this comfort zone.

    An idea no.4 has to rotate strike from the get go, and pick boundaries at will. Of course, he would have to accelerate towards the end, in case of both, when setting up the target or in a chase.

    Do you really believe Azhar possess these skill set and can play this role? I seriously doubt it!

    Both Azhar and Heckfeez have to go after this CT.
     
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    Azhar is a Test specialist, he will achieve great things in the Test side in shaa Allah but Test cricket and modern LOI's are two completely different gears and if we want to advance and score 300+ scores consistently, we can't persist with someone like Azhar Ali.

    One performance won't change my views on him.
     
  9. Del
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    To be honest, that kind of situation would happene 9 out of 10 times, when inept openers like Selfie or Heckfeez will have to open for you. Such circumstance occur when dud batsmen are at the crease in pressure situation.

    How many time have you seen 20/3 when Sharjeel was around? I haven't.

    Have Fakhar and Sharjeel (or similar opener ) to open for us and let Babar come at no.3 and you should be good.

    As for no.4, Harris could be given few games to try. Heck I wouldn't refrain promoting Sarfu and Malik at no.4 and 5 and trying Hussain Talat at no.6.
     
  10. Del
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    If players like Selfie, Heckfeez and Azhar had to adopt modern cricket, they would've done years ago.

    They simply are not good enough to adopt!
     
  11. Mercenary
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    No way, Azhar takes too long to get going. Opening is the perfect position for him if we HAVE to have him in the team. Ideally he wouldn't be in the team but it looks like he is and will be after today.

    We dont need players like him at premium batting spots like 3 and 4 negating good starts or worsening slow starts by coming in and shutting up shop for the next 5 to 10 overs.
     
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    One performance shouldn't determine his place. He'll choke in the final. Azhar basically played a Test innings with some lucky boundaries. Also, let's say we were chasing 300+ and Azhar played the way he did (since he doesn't have another gear), it would have cost us big time. Azhar, Shehzad, Wahab and Hafeez should not be selected ever again after the CT. We have to move on from these TTFs.
     
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    No it wouldn't have. He batted ok today. We scored 215 in 37 overs with 8 wickets left. Another 85 runs in the last 13 overs with 8 wickets left would not have been that hard.

    Azhar batted at an okay strike rate today, if Azhar can make 50 at that rate we just need the other batsmen to do their job as well.
     
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    In all honesty I think Azhar did well in the last game since he was required to stay at the crease playing his natural game.

    But I still think he's not a good player for ODI's.
     
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    No way. We need dynamic players in the middle order who know how to rotate the strike in the middle overs. Not some clown who can only waste balls and then hit some boundaries to cover some gap.
     
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    Excellent batsman Azhar Ali! One for the future iA, classic & perfect batsman in Pakistani side. Fakhar & Ali best opening pair. One is attacking, the other is rotating & keeping the scorecard ticking.
     
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    Azhar Ali the future of ODI.
     
  18. Energy
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    The presence of Fakhar has helped him. Else there was way too much pressure on him which he's incapable of handling.
     
  19. Del
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    I reckon you and Azhar both desperately need a break from ODI, as it's clearly taking a mental toll on both of you. One is incapable of playing modern cricket and other incapable of understanding it's need.

    I urge both of you to take a long break from limited over cricket, and straight up your priorities, if you really think is "Azhar Ali the future of ODI."
     
  20. Rhythm
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    Haris has that spot covered.
     
  21. MNA
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    Azhar will be a dead man walking in ODIs if (and if) Sharjeel gets cleared, which I am hopping he does pretty soon.

    And Shetty can go home or drown in some dirty pond.
     
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    Who is Shetty?
     
  23. Karachi-King
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    Karachi-King Talented

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    no guarantee haris will be as good as before now (and even back then he had a lot left top prove)

    but hopefully he can succeed
     
  24. Shaz130
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    Azhar Ali is 32. He's not a youngster
     

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