Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq, did we back the wrong horses?

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  1. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Agree with you. Asad is technically correct but there is one technical glitch in his technique that he plays across his front pad at times!!
     
  2. Energy
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    This is not a minor gitch. Its an embarrassing glitch.
     
  3. godzilla
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    technique and assessment of technique is utter bs. asad is a perfect example of why.

    both of them are b-grade players, maybe Ali is a b+, but in my opinion on the thread, yes, they backed the wrong horses.
     
  4. ElRaja
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    asad shafiq 3000 runs @ 40, s/r 46, reward -> promoted up the order
    shahid afridi 700 run @ 55, s/r 115, reward -> demoted down the order, failed in two away tests and booted from the test team.

    i know the context of both careers was different, but if nothing else, its evidence of how much leeway Shafiq has had.
     
  5. Mohammed Bilal
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    Which Ricky Ponting did you see in our domestic cricket in 2010 mate?

    There were 4 contenders, Azhar, Asad, Fawad and Umar Amin, Fawad himself gave away his space by failing in NZ then Misbah who was a really good Batsman came who kept Fawad out whilst Asad and Azhar were backed by him, now we can say if they were wrong or right but if we look at the situation back then it was probably the right call, we have never had a rich history of producing batsman so we should give thanks that at a crucial moment out of four players two came off, what would you have done if all four failed and that is comman in cricket where teams go years without finding a suitable batsman.
     
  6. godzilla
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    Alam failed in odis and on one tour. Haris was averaging around 50 back then too, pre injury. Do you have a list of domestic performers at hand from back then, mate, so we can make the comparison?

    Didn’t think so. The results speak for themselves no matter how great one’s appetite for mediocrity.
     
  7. Del
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    BUMPED !!!

    Azhar has been a huge disappointment since past few series.

    What I dislike about his is his defeatist mindset. I have seen it in ENG series and in this Test as well. After such a wonderful opening partnership he came out with complete negative mindset and sucked all the momentum of the innings - just look at his SR. I know its Test but its a sin to make 18 runs on 80 balls at SR of 22. This attitude of blocking for sake of blocking rather then trying to rotate the strike will take you as individual and team nowhere. And eventually, opposition knows that you, as player is very incapable to make run and they get you out, which brings too much unnecessary pressure on the teams. I utterly fail to understand his approach towards the game.

    I am really agitated by his approach and his negative attitude of blocking doesn't help anybody.
     
  8. Mohammed Bilal
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    You can say he had an ordinary County championship season, expect him to stand up after Misbah and Younis but he hasn’t really.
     
  9. godzilla
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    a year of failures is enough to send him back to domestics like they have with amir. theres no shame in it, and it doesnt mean he is necessarily finished. but persisting with this form is idiotic now.
     
  10. Don Quixote
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    If I was the selector/manager I would drop Asad for sure, but not Azhar. You know why?


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  11. Del
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    Because you're Don.
     
  12. Don Quixote
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    Ha ha. Because I ll strictly tell Azhar to work on his bowling, as he has the potential to be a good part timer, can even become a proper spinner. He ll be a valuable asset. But as a specialist batsman he is boring to watch.


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  13. Patriot
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    I'm glad you are far far far away from Pakistan cricket management
     
  14. Passionate Pakistani
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    Azhar is good. Asad is def a wrong horse. Dont forget he was picked over Umar and despite playing for almost 7 years now, his average is almost same as Umar Akmal.

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  15. Del
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    In spite of playing county cricket he still struggles, which is not a good sign. He should be send back to domestic like Amir to work on his game.

    On contrary, Abbas also played county and is our go to guy.
     
  16. Del
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    Bumped ...

    Once again, its proven.
     
  17. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Humare pass Saeed Anwar Aamir Sohail aur Inzamam aur Ijaz Ahmed nahi hein! Un ke hote hue bhi humari team hamesha se isi tarha khelti aayi hai aur unpredictable hi rahi hai! Misbah era mein predictability agayee thi humari team mein cus likes of Younus and Misbah had stable and consistent personalities! But, team had become boring to watch! Under Sarfraz, unpredictability is restored cus all batsmen are trying to make a name for themselves and there is no big name amongst them! Azhar and Asad are the ones we invested in and they are delivering according to their talent!!
     
  18. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Blame should go to openers! They did not score in both innings!
     
  19. KingOfDoosra
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    Asad can play for another 10 years and he will still only average 35
     
  20. Del
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    Top order too, but so called "seniors" will face more heat.

    I dont know how you can say even word in their defense after what happened today. Azhar shouldn't have dragged to game too long, that too after knowing the fact that he was set batsman and playing with tale, no.11.

    Com'on yaar !!!
     
  21. Shahzad.Firdous
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    If I was in Azhar's place, I would have taken the risk of launching Ajaz Patel straight over his head when I think 5 runs were required and he was on strike and got out! This was his best chance! There was no other way he was going to get those runs! He was one strike away from victory and he should have gone for the glory but he got a good delivery as pitch was turning square! Azhar did his best in my opinion! It's difficult batting on this 4th day pitch, ball turning square and left arm spinner on with fielders on the boundary and last man standing but his best chance was above the head of the bowler straight or if he pitched it short then pull for six!
     
  22. Del
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    This is not the point, the point is why drag it for soooooooooooooooooo long? He was keep on taking 1's in every over for good 8/10 overs, why not finish the game earlier? He had many chances to hit the boundary earlier but he was way too much defensive.
     
  23. Shahzad.Firdous
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    he was playing his cards right in my opinion! He was playing first 4 deliveries and exposing Abbas for 1 or 2 deliveries! Abbas managed to survive but tragic part was that Abbas did not get out, he himself got out! That should not happen! If the protector fails to protect himself, then what would protected do!!
     
  24. Passionate Pakistani
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    Asad averaging below 40 after 64 games is a joke.

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  25. Shahzad.Firdous
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    he tried different shots but was not able to find the boundaries as fielders were posted deep!
     
  26. Del
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    Not only boundaries, he missed many chances to take 2's as well.

    Stop defending him man.
     
  27. Del
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    His today's wicket ...

    @Shahzad.Firdous is this what you call turning square? It was playable man, specially for a batsman who had played 136 balls.
     
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  28. Mohammed Bilal
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    Pak fans struggle to accept the talent is just not their.

    truth is that Asad and Azhar are best players in Pak, I’m not saying they’re any good but that’s the truth.

    Babar has chance but I don’t know what’s wrong with him and Sohail is the king of soft dismissals, I think they are our next best, yes we can debate about Imam because even a kid wouldn’t play back to a spinner but he did and that shows us he ain’t that good.

    What has Saud done in A team? All just minnow bashers who make runs vs Weak regional attacks and smaller departments but then they speak on talk shows like they are second coming of Ricky Ponting, I would try Fawad though, I really want to see if he’s any good or if it’s false hype, I think he’s would have been a decent Intl batsman but a 42 average batsman at best maybe.


    Now I hope people understand why players like Farhat, Salman Butt, Kamran, Shehzad, Akmal Jr, Maqsood are selected again and again.
     
  29. Wistful Reminisces
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    Pathetic by Azhar again.

    Asad also needs to go. He has talent to perform much better than Azhar, but somehow delivers even less.
     
  30. cris aborn
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    Asad shafique and Azhar ali is Good Player for test format. But Azhar ali replace by Fawad alam. Fawad Alam is Best for Azhar ali..........
     
  31. Del
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    Dont think it will be materialized now. Fawad and Sadaf are not going to play for Pakistan, and if they will by some miracle, then it will be when their prime is over.

    BTW: their peak has already passed I reckon and age is not on their side. These two are perfect example of how selectors and coaches ruin carriers of deserving players due to their personal likes and dislikes.
     
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  32. ASLI-PATHAN
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    One of them needs to make way for some deserving batsman. We can’t afford these two plus Sarfaraz in one team now.
     
  33. Patriot
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    i just laugh every time I open this thread.

    dumb fans after all those years still can't decide rofl
     
  34. Passionate Pakistani
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    Sarfraz also needs to make way for Rizwan in tests


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  35. s_h_a_f
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    After all the yrs of investment...they still were not able to finish off a match successfully on a phatta. Pathetic.
     
  36. MNA
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    Winning or losing are part of the game, you win some, you lose some. Lets hope we do better in next two two tests.
     
  37. Patriot
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    last Test match pitch was far from a phatta
     
  38. Del
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    Usually those 1/2/3 fans are dumb and delusional (who don't see the problem after looking at it repeatedly for years), majority isn't crazy.
     
  39. Wistful Reminisces
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    He actually thinks they're doing okay though o_O

    Ridiculously poor innings from Azhar, looking back at it makes me even more angry. How can he slow down after starting relatively quickly (For him)?
     
  40. Del
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    He also supports and believe the same for Sarfraz, who is a disgrace as skipper and always try to hide himself behind others.

    Sarfu is only good in yelling that too on kids like Shadab and other juniors, he has no balls to say a word to Hackfeez and Mian Malik.
     

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