Bowlers converting into batsmen! Is that really such a bad thing?

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  1. Shahzad.Firdous
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    I see some posters on this forum regularly complaining about bowlers converting into batsmen! I would like to get everyone's view on this one! Is that really such a bad thing? Can a bowler not convert into a batsman at all? My personal view is that if a person has started his career as a bowler, it does not mean that he cant convert himself into a batsman!! There is no fixed rule as such! Azhar Ali converted into a batsman! He got himself fixed first in trying to convert to a batsman! He clarified in his mind which deliveries he would block, which he will leave and which he will score of! He had nothing to do with deliveries outside the offstump! He made the bowlers bowl to him and within his range and when bowlers tried to attack him at the stumps bowled or lbw, he scored runs off them!! This is how he developed his batting in test cricket! He stuck to his task and did not get greedy with any of the offers presented to him although I dont think you got to be so rigid in your mind but sometimes you got to make a map in mind and stick to your game-plan which he did!! For adapting to odi cricket, he attacked those deliveries outside the offstump which he was leaving in test cricket!!
    Similarly, Shoaib Malik's idea was to score of each and every delivery in odi cricket and even in test cricket, he always looked to score runs all the time!! Wherever delivery would be bowled to him, he would use bat as an extension of his arms and place the ball in a gap!! Thats how he learned how to bat!!
     
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    Good thread.

    My problem with this conversion is simple.

    International cricket is not place for such transformation. Sure, you wanna do it, go back to domestic and become whatever you want - I dont care. Prove your worth with at least 2 seasons or more consistently and than put up your case for selection.

    More to the point, not everybody is Smith or KP who changed their focus from bowling towards batting. Also, note that once they established themselves as recognised batsman, then batting become their prime focus. Problem is, not everybody is Smith or KP. These these two changed their approach and game, than they went back to drawing board and adopted almost all the shorts in the book, which isnt the case with Azhar, who is very limited and timid player. Icing on the cake, his heydays are over and should retire now.
     
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    Azhar Ali was the 3rd best batsman for us in the decade after Younus and Misbah statistically speaking. Babar Azam arrived late in the decade and would surely be the best in this decade 20s although he has competition from Fawad Alam, Harris Sohail and Abid Ali too.
    My question is if a batsman who has converted is performing and delivering the goods then what is wrong with conversion? Both Azhar and Malik for a considerable period were the performing players for Pakistan!! Malik was absolutely sensational on 2005 India tour and after that during Inzi era but he regressed when he got the captaincy early in his career. Afterwards, his comeback after 2015 World Cup was superb and for next 2-3 years he was performing consistently!! Similarly, Azhar had a great decade with the bat in test format as well as odis!! He had a great CT and was integral part of test squad during Misbah era!!
     
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    You can never compare Younis with Misbah, let alone Azhar. Azhar's purple patch is long gone and its foolish to believe that he will repeat his performance from 2012-2016.

    Babar is a complete player with a solid defense, possesses almost every short in the book and can accelerate at will too now. Again, its foolish to compare him with Azhar or Misbah.

    Players like Azhar, Hafeez and Malik are all same kind in my book - very limited players and icing on cake, mentally fragile. These were part of your core players and this is the ONE of the reason of our decline in cricket. There is no way in hell you can compare these with players like Inzy, Younis, Yousuf & Babar.

    Your core players should be specialist and not some converted bits and pieces players.
     
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    Obviously, as batsmen you can never compare Younus with Misbah let alone Azhar but Younus obviously great player hai but Misbah is a great in his own right both as captain and batsman as well!! Misbah ki cricket 33 ki age per start hui at international level jab ke he should have been part of the team during Inzi era in my opinion!! Mere hisaab se Misbah aur Asim Kamal ko open karna chahye tha Inzi ke era mein although they are both middle order batsmen but India ne bhi buhat saare middle order batsman openers mein convert kiye according to team needs!! Agar Asim Kamal aur Misbah open karte to Younus 3 per, Inzi 4 per aur Yousuf 5 per Afridi 6 Kamran Akmal 7 Razzaq 8 then Shoaib Asif and Kaneria the bowlers yeh Inzi era ki 11 honi chahye thi in my opinion!! Coming back to point, Misbah aur Azhar donon ke around 4000 5000 runs hein!! Misbah ke atleast 7 yrs zaaya hue in my opinion!! Aur agar Misbah 2004 mein Pakistan team mein ajata to uske bhi 10000 runs hote aaj test cricket mein!! Younus ki tarah great na hon yeh players but phir bhi Misbah Azhar in logon ka bhi eik level hai!!
     
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    Modern day Pakistani bowlers, especially the pace bowlers of Pakistan, they do not seem to know how to properly hold the bat.
    When sent into bat, the act like playing cricket reserved for mental retards.

    Many don't want to expand their skill set beyond pace bowling. They don't seem to care about improving their fielding, and catching skills, or improve on athleticism when placed on the boundary line to save a boundary.
    Shaheen Shah is a classical example.


    And you want them to transform into specialist batsmen?

    I remember Wayne Parnell actually tried that.
    From opening bowler, he became an all rounder to a point where he even open the batting innings.

    I don't have an issue if a pace bowler gets good in hitting big in the later part of the innings because this is now almost a requirement in modern day cricket.
    Can they do it?
    I have the least hope from Pak pacers.
     
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    I am not talking about bowlers learning how to bat, I am talking about bowlers converting into specialist batsmen like Steve Smith, Azhar Ali, Shoaib Malik and Yasir Shah!!
     
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    As I said, we will hit the jackpot if our bowlers learn how to slog effectively. This will be a GREAT improvement from not knowing how to hold the bat.
     

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