Discussion in 'The Pavilion' started by pat, Jan 28, 2019.
The whole thing is a farce. Me thinks the Govt does not want to leave..hence beating around the bush.
I don't think theres any chance a hard Brexit is avoided at this point. both sides were incompetent in making their cases, but we are where we are. the government has obviously been either breathtakingly incompetent at getting to this point, which I think is the greatest likelihood, or deliberately brought us to a point of no deal on the brink, to force a reappraisal of the deal.
I cant see how the EU can back down over their position now, and I cant see how parliament can pass what looks like an atrocious deal. so hard brexit it is.
there will no doubt be tonnes of scaremongering about what will happen, and who knows hat will happen as a result of a hard brexit, suspect it wil be tough, but the doomsday scenario that is being presented, and ultimately over time, things normalise and clever and greedy people will figure out how to fix things.
the upshot is that this era will hopefully mark the death of traditional politics and the way that the hoi poloi have been hoodwinked by the political class for centuries.
most of the parliamentarians on all sides do not deserve to be there.
Trying to figure what UK is trying to do.
UK seems to want the benefit of single market EU trade rules without having to allow people movement.
and as a 3rd party with stake in this, UK seems utterly confused about his whole thing.
1) It doesn't look like the public knew what they were voting for or what the consequences are
2) the party which wanted this, the Tory's have no clue which side of the bridge they want to jump off from.
EU is not going to budge on the separate customs thing. Is Dover set up to handle this in 60 days?
Is UK going to wave the trucks thru? If it does, it means EU will have no problem with its exports. If it doesn't, UK supply chain is going to be f'd up.
EU is not going to wave the trucks thru' at calais. This will screw UK exports.
Sounds like UK hasn't game planned this at all!
so May is trying to run out the clock.
Do aam admi brits care?
the more I hear the common brits speak, dumber they sound
here is hoping britain crashes out of EU and brexiteers beae the brunt if it!
whats is the mood in Ireland?
Disbelief, dismay and anger.
Disbelief - that the UK would vote for this. However the UK is a separate country and if they want to, thats totally fine. We're not trying to stop them. We just want them to uphold their end of the GFA.
Dismay - at the absolute crap being said about Ireland by many many prominent UK politicians, a timely reminder of why we never wanted to be ruled by them in the first place. From MP's threatening to starve us to gain leverage in negotiations, to MP's claiming "all English people are automatically entitled to Irish passports" to the ERG mob acting astonished that Ireland wont simply leave the EU, torpedo our own economy and join the UK to solve the border issue. We really are incredulous at the sheer scale of the ignorance. I could write thousands of words on this alone.
Anger - At the absolute lies being spouted by people about how we are inventing the border problem, that technology can fix it, that we should know our place, that we are creating the problems, that we are causing the problem.
In summary, no two parties in Irish politics ever, ever agree on anything. They constantly flip flop to appear in opposition to gain votes. But on Brexit, there is unanimous agreement from every single party, literally every single one, on how our government are approaching this. SF and FG are about as politically aligned as the PTI and the PMLN, yet on this they are united. Its pretty incredible to see such consensus.
People here are becoming increasingly worried about No Deal, but there is also , and always has been, a confidence that when push comes to shove a deal will be reached. The UK would be committing economic suicide with a no deal, only a matter of time before the DUP get thrown under a bus.
And in the unlikely event of a No Deal? United Ireland within ten years, which solves the problem.
RAmen to that.
I have to say I'm little puzzled at the lack of interest on here and other places? I was under the impression bulk of members here and other places are UK citizens of south asian origin.
so, May out on Tuesday?
How did it come about that, the greta victory over EU, the current brexit deal, announced by Theresa May with fanfare in december has somehow become a EU dupe in matter of 3 months?
Are british public daft enough to buy into this narrative?
so much for the additional legal guarantee. Juncker says with May beside him that this deal has been on the table for 105 days.
UK MP's would mungs to vote for this deal now after rejecting it in January.
for exiters lurking around
Just keeps getting crazier and crazier.
Wtf is happening to the UK
there are mistakes in life one can fix and those which cannot be fixed.
Exiters are going to learn the hard way that #brexit is the latter.
the lack of integrity around this whole thing is alarming.
the whole developed world looks back to "old english law" on many issues which their laws are not designed to deal with and you have a 52:48 vote deciding on a complex issue, the consequences of which many of the elected official didn't understand.
this would be funny as hell if it wasn't for real.
any chance we can have a points trading system on the forum based on brexit predictions?
Would make one hell of a drinking game
and it keeps getting better. LMAO! What a country of clowns.
Can't help conclude that UK is country of dumbfucks at this point.
So how did cricistani's vote (if eligible) in the EU referendum! Let's hear hit
Leave means leave!
Jmogg and boris can't seem to agree on what that leave is!
Why does what DUP decides should guide jmogg?
Utter basket case of a country
what a shambolic excuse for a country.
Can't believe they have a security council veto.
any cricistani brexiters who can weigh in?
any boris johnson fans around?
The head of the World Trade Organisation has blown a hole in Boris Johnson’s Brexit plans as Conservative members vote on whether he should become party leader and prime minister.
Mr Johnson has argued that if the UK crashes out of the EU without a deal on 31 October, businesses will still be able to continue tariff-free trade with Europe under an obscure trading law known as Gatt 24. Without this protection, thousands of goods traded between the UK and the EU would be subject to standard WTO tariffs, adding considerably to costs to consumers.
But WTO director general Roberto Azevedo has now baldly stated that the mechanism – which his organisation oversees – cannot be invoked unless the parties involved have reached agreement on a future trade deal.