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  1. Prince Pathan
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    Does that even work?


    It has only ever happened once ages ago when I was with a group of my friends, but I just responded with you need us here, my parents save your people on a daily basis.
     
  2. Rhythm
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    Why would it not work? They've no argument.
     
  3. Prince Pathan
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    But are half of them not ignorant? Every fledgling nation spreads its youth minds with propaganda and false history
     
  4. Don Duckman
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    Are the Alizai tribes related to Alizee?
     
  5. Prince Pathan
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    Do not think so she is French but weirder things have happend
     
  6. Rhythm
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    Then give them a history lesson and make them go home to their mamas crying.

    No matter how great the propaganda, impossible to create false history when you wipe out half the bloody living things to obtain a land. Even the most ignorant will be overwhelmed by a simple google search.

    Anyway, don't wanna derail the thread.
     
  7. Don Duckman
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    I have almost never faced racism from white people, at least a lot less than from Arabs and Albanians. Among white people, the most racist are poles, bulgarians, Serbs etc... which is a bit ironic since a lot of them are thieves. But still, I have nothing but good wishes for Eastern Europe. The most pleasant among them are probably the Romanians, truly delightful people.

    Latins>Germans>Anglo-Saxons>>>>>Slavs in terms of treatment towards immigrants.
     
  8. Mohsin
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    Honestly? Its a case of 'carry on with business'. Makes no difference to anyone that an ethnic Pakistani Muslim mayor has just entered office (would have been the same if Goldsmith were elected btw). We are a tolerate, diverse, multi cultural city...its,all good here. The Mayor gets on with his work, as does the,rest of the city.
    EDL (English Defence League) have a problem at the 'Muslamification' of London and the UK...but they have absolutely no real power/support at all in London and miniscule pockets of support up North.

    Has NEVER happened to me, not even once. That's why I love London and am so thankful my parents/relatives settled here and not anywhere up North (or NA for that matter, the UK is easily the best out of Europe, NA etc).
     
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    Not even on the east end? I hear there are a lot of chavs there.
     
  10. Rhythm
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    I see. Thanks.
    Was just teasing you guys.
     
  11. Mohsin
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    Nope never (and I honestly don't expect it to either). Don't get me wrong, lots of chavs in certain areas...but not racist abuse.
    It happens (where doesn't it) but its microscopic compared to the population/other places around the world/in major cities/the UK.
     
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    First time I went London I went East End for a Halal full english. Man I was amazed at the number of Bangalis I saw. I swear I walked out the tube station and felt like Godzilla.
     
  13. ElRaja
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    the east end is highly diverse, there are pbly some racists chavs here and there but i second what @Mohsin says in that chavish behavior is primarily anti social and usually equally offensive to most people regardless of ethinc background.

    whitechapel is now a more somali area id say, it has a strange knack of becoming a ghetto, whether it was londons jews, bengalis or now somalis.

    when was last time you came London?
     
  14. ComradeVenom
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    About two years ago bro.
     
  15. ElRaja
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    hmmm, it was quite somali by then bro. most of the bengalis have moved slightly wider out to stratford and ilford.

    somalis chewing chat leaves and the drool drops from their mouths crouched in the shit position on the corner of a kerb in whitechapel is pbly the worst advert for london ive ever seen on a side note.
     
  16. Questioner
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    Lot of areas in London have certain ethnicities all moved in a certain place. Would you say that's the way they have been allocated or because they all move in together?
     
  17. ElRaja
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    disagree with the fundamental premise, there are very few actual ghettos (on borough level) in london anymore. 15 odd years ago there were a few, but gentrification has forced a mix up.

    you have areas where the majority of a specific ethnicity are found, but they aren't necessarily the majority of the population in that area, if you get what im getting at.
     
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    bremain looks to have gotten a decisive lead in opinion polls. dont see brexit winning it from here. thought it would get closer as the vote got close, that doesn't seem to be happening either.
     
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    Operation fear is in full progress. Osbornes comment about house prices falling 18% in the event of Brexit may have got people worried.

    Ultimately the election will be decided by the 'silent majority'. People like labourers and construction workers who make up a big part of the workforce but feel outpriced by EU migrants.

    It will be very close IMO. Right wing press will also start ramping up close to the vote.
     
  20. ElRaja
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    man, i wish that would happen. :) have no idea how a single person can buy a place of their own without a stupid amount of belt tightening and a saint's patience. a "market correction" would be very welcome for me at least.

    ukip and tories got 48 percent of vote in last election, assuming not all tories are brexiters, lets say 2/3 are, that means base brexit vote is around 37 or 38%, the brexit campaign has been poor, dont think they will convince 14% of people to get over halfway mark.

    i havnt met anyone whos changed their mind personally.
     
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    Out of interest Have you ever met anyone thats been polled?

    I nor people I know have never been polled about anything. Just wondering who these people are?
     
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    I think a lot of the minor socialist parties are going for Brexit. The Scottish Solidarity party headed up by Tommy Sheridan is and guys like Galloway also have a bit of clout.
     
  23. ElRaja
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    nope, but until the shambles that was the last election these polls tended to be fairly accurate across the board.

    i think the amount of centre left, or left brexiters is overblown, galloway hardly has any infuence anymore, saw him the other day campaigning before the london election, literally everyone ignored him.
     
  24. ComradeVenom
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    I'l be putting my tin foil hat on for a moment but I'm convinced that polls are a way to shape public opinion rather than measure it. Generally the establishments chosen party has won elections ( in my lifetime anyway). Milliband posed a bit of a threat with his leftist leanings so some polls were manufactured to show him doing well. RW press goes into overdrive warns of chaos and goes on the attack. On the fence voters decide to put in Tories ( establishment chosen) to counteract a socialist coalition with a leftist party ( labour/SNP).

    Similarly Scottish referrendum which looked closish for a while - a last minute outlier poll showing a Yes vote appears. Gets crazy coverage. Press goes into overdrive. On the fence voters ( or voters who don't usually vote) decide to not change anything and the establishment gets what it wants.

    I'll take my tin foil hat off now.
     
  25. ElRaja
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    i dont think thats fair cop @ComradeVenom , labour lost primarily because milliband was a deeply uninspiring character on a personal level. also there is little appetite for his brand of leftist socialism in the vast majority of the country.

    the tori vote was an anti milliband vote, plus some disaffected more right wing lib dems. the last week or two before elections showed tories with a very narrow majority.

    and if an apparently close result motivates non voters to get involved thats a good thing imo.
     
  26. Markhor
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    TBH I never recalled any polls that showed Labour with a half-decent lead in the run up to the GE. They were consistently neck and neck, and the Tories were always predicted to be at least the largest party.

    Having read into it, it appears there were genuine methodological issues with the polling that overestimated Labour support.

    But believe me, I was raging on 2015 GE night at the pollsters, thinking 1992 would never be repeated. I will NEVER forget my jaw dropping when Old Man Dimbleby announced at 10pm THAT exit poll along with a picture of Cameron's smug mug.
     
  27. ElRaja
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    haha, yeah, that was a brilliant moment, and ed balls losing his seat was the bestest cherry on the top. truly memorable moments :D
     
  28. Questioner
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    Surprised that the leave campaign has gathered momentum.
     
  29. Mohsin
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    Same...surprised and worried
     
  30. Markhor
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    Let's bust a big myth from the Leave campaign:

    We don't send £350m a week to the EU. The rebate is deducted before any payment is made. The true figure is around £136m a week or £7bn a year accounting for the rebate and EU spending on the UK. This is 0.4% of GDP. The UK pays the least of all member countries as a share of Gross National Income so these claims we're being bled dry by Brussels are hogwash.

    France, Germany and Italy contribute more than the UK. It is less than an eighth of the UK’s defence spend. Infact the per person net contribution (around £116) is less than that from Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany and the Netherlands. I haven't heard this same hue and cry about wasted funds from Eurosceptics over the fact we've been bullied by the Americans into committing 2% of our GDP into NATO, a military alliance that lost its relevance decades ago when the Iron Curtain fell and has only given us endless dead British bodies in the Middle East since 2001.
     
  31. Markhor
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    The other big Leave claim is that the EU is hindering our economic performance.

    Yet the CBI estimate UK trade with European countries have increased as much as 50% due to EU membership. Infact a CBI literature review suggests net benefit of membership to the UK could be in the region of 4-5% of GDP or £62bn-£78bn a year – roughly the economies of the North East and Northern Ireland taken together. Investment flows across borders inside EU have roughly doubled following the introduction of the Single Market. As the EU’s leading investment destination, the UK was a key beneficiary - EU accounted for 47% of UK’s inward FDI at end of 2011.

    Why put that at risk by leaving thus embarking on an arduous process of having to redraw all these regulations, rewrite treaties and re-negotiate all the trade deals that could take years ?
     
  32. Mohsin
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    I really do not understand why anyone would leave leave...we will economically be immensely punctured. Taxes will rise, to 'cover the losses', our economy will go into meltdown.

    I honestly fear Brexit winning this...hopefully sanity will prevail on the 23rd
     
  33. Markhor
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    Labour MP Jo Cox has been brutally murdered today.

    Disgusting and sickening attack from a coward who stabbed and shot an unarmed and defenceless woman. Apparently he yelled "Britain first" according to eyewitnesses. Total scum who should never see the light of day again.
     
  34. s_h_a_f
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    A sad, sad day. RIP
     
  35. ComradeVenom
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    Very sad news. She seemed like a wonderful woman very different to typical politicians.
     
  36. Fireworks11
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    Sad news. Really hope they caught the fool who did this.
     
  37. ElRaja
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    crazy news, terrible events. was shocked to hear it. never thought id see a politically motivated murder of a british politician.
     
  38. Omar
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    Sad news about Jo Cox earlier.

    It's a complete shock to have seen a British politician being murdered like that as @ElRaja said.
     
  39. Markhor
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    Let me add another word - TERRORIST.

    This man was a far-right white nationalist terrorist with pro-apartheid, neo-Nazi links.

    If this man shouted Allahu Akbar we would never hear the end of it. Look at the disgusting double standards of the Daily Mail. They describe the killer as a "timid gardner" ! Talk about white privilege.

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  40. Fireworks11
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    Not surprising. Double standards are pathetic as usual

    White person kills someone is automatically a mental loner.
     

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