Discussion in 'The Pavilion' started by Del, Jan 31, 2020.
Deaths now exactly 4607 right at this moment
then you should also wait till the end of 2020 before casting your judgement on China.
u are looking this the wrong way
they have hired workers do go around distribute hand santizers in work place since they are getting extinct every 2 hours workers are asked to use it and since most are lazy, this is the way to force them to do so
The rapid spread of coronavirus around the world could have been substantially curtailed if the broad swath of measures China brought in to control the outbreak were introduced just weeks earlier, researchers say.
Sophisticated modelling of the outbreak suggests that China had 114,325 cases by the end of February 2020, a figure that would have been 67 times higher without interventions such as early detection, isolation of the infected, and travel restrictions.
But if the interventions could have been brought in a week earlier, 66% fewer people would have been infected, the analysis found. The same measures brought in three weeks earlier could have reduced cases by 95%
The way China dealt with the threat after 23rd Jan 2020 was the only option it had left, whereas countries like South Korea and Taiwan acted much more blisteringly quickly without imposing draconian inhumane measures and were much more successful in curtailing the virus compared to China and to some extent Italy.
Anyways why am I wasting time here? Best of luck to all.
They can just hand the sanitizers on the walls. This is needless
Every day the increase is beating the previous days increase. It’s exponential and alarming.
The only way to to flatten the exponential curve is severely restrict mass gatherings, all but essential travel, possibly close down all schools and childcare facilities, minimising social interactions, and closing down the borders, unfortunately the UK has decided to become the control group in this worldwide study by opting not to participate in any of those things.
UK has been quite laid back about it all, I think only now they’re seriously realising the threat of this virus. How serious is this virus for under 70s?
yes but this isnt a way to humiliate anyone btw
Mortality is the lowest in under 10s. It starts to increase with age, specially 40 plus. Between 40 and 65, mortality depends upon coexisting disease such as chronic lung disease, diabetes and heart disease. The disease is extremely deadly in over 80s. Overall mortality is around 3.6% as per last WHO estimate which increases with age and co-morbidities.
8-12% of infected over 40-years old will need ITU/ICU for ventilation. Nearly all ITU beds in Italy have now been consumed, and they have very strict criteria, no one over age of 65 will be admitted into the icu, further increasing the mortality rate. UK has about half the number of icu ventilation beds compared to Italy, so you could guess how bad the situation can get.
Mortality in healthcare professionals is significantly higher.
To put things into prospective, even if only 10% of UK populace get infected, there will be 600k cases, if only 5% need ITU, there will be 30k patients needing icu ventilation, heck only if 0.1% people need ventilation, there will be 3k extra patients in the icu. One dr will be needed for every 3 of those, and one nurse for EACH patient, how much burden and strain will it exert on already crippling NHS resources? then all the other people who need ICU for other reasons like sepsis, post-extensive surgery, heart attacks and severe stroke patents, where will they go?
Please do not take this lightly.
Just been to the Wagah Border ceremony, Indian side was empty, found out later that no ones allowed to attend due to coronavirus worries
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Elise A. Mitchell: The shortages may be worse than the disease
Today, Italy has 10,149 cases of the coronavirus. There are now simply too many patients for each one of them to receive adequate care. Doctors and nurses are unable to tend to everybody. They lack machines to ventilate all those gasping for air.
Now the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SIAARTI) has published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow in these extraordinary circumstances. The document begins by likening the moral choices facing Italian doctors to the forms of wartime triage that are required in the field of “catastrophe medicine.” Instead of providing intensive care to all patients who need it, its authors suggest, it may become necessary to follow “the most widely shared criteria regarding distributive justice and the appropriate allocation of limited health resources.”
The principle they settle upon is utilitarian. “Informed by the principle of maximizing benefits for the largest number,” they suggest that “the allocation criteria need to guarantee that those patients with the highest chance of therapeutic success will retain access to intensive care.”
The authors, who are medical doctors, then deduce a set of concrete recommendations for how to manage these impossible choices, including this: “It may become necessary to establish an age limit for access to intensive care.”
Those who are too old to have a high likelihood of recovery, or who have too low a number of “life-years” left even if they should survive, will be left to die. This sounds cruel, but the alternative, the document argues, is no better. “In case of total saturation of resources, maintaining the criterion of ‘first come, first served’ would amount to a decision to exclude late-arriving patients from access to intensive care.”
In addition to age, doctors and nurses are also advised to take a patient’s overall state of health into account: “The presence of comorbidities needs to be carefully evaluated.” This is in part because early studies of the virus seem to suggest that patients with serious preexisting health conditions are significantly more likely to die. But it is also because patients in a worse state of overall health could require a greater share of scarce resources to survive: “What might be a relatively short treatment course in healthier people could be longer and more resource-consuming in the case of older or more fragile patients.” https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/
What I would like to know and I am worried about is the patients that they cannot treat, and are basically left to die because of not enough equipment or staff. What will be done for them so they have a peaceful death? I don't want to be morbid but struggling to breathe is such a horrible way to die. The poor doctors and nurses having to make those decisions. It breaks my heart.
this is horrible, UN and other countries need to chip in
Agree. China should acknowledge their role in this and use their $3Trilion cash to help poor countries.
good move by the indians.
All public parks closed in Sharjah until further notice. It’s not far when they will close the big Malls too.
All mass gathering banned in UK.
Not long before UK will be on complete lockdown. Scary times.
UAE suspends issuance of all entry visas from March 17
sure PL cancelled when Liverpool are on the verge of winning it
So now according tot he chinese, it was the US who brought coronavirus to China.
What is over under on this forum on number people who buy this?
Got a fever and a headache, been working on the front line constantly over last few weeks.. Most likely I got it too, but then it was inevitable. Eventually most if not all of us will get it. Have already self-isolated myself and will make arrangement for test tomorrow. Severe lack of PPE and testing kits allover, UK, Australia, USA, Canada, same story everywhere, even for doctors. My son probably infected already but lesser risk for him. Hope we all here on CS survive through it, InsAllah.
I hope you hadn't got it. Anyways better to quarantine yourself until you are tested. InshaAllah you will be okay.
dude, i sincerely hope not. please get yourself tested and taken care off.
On one side you have hindu nuts jobs and their cow urine obsession and on the other side you have th4 muslims haram/halal obsession.
At a time when the entire world is on edge due to coronavirus outbreak, a shocking incident of recklessness has been reported from Bhatkal town of Karnataka where four Muslim youths who had recently returned from Dubai has objected to medical tests claiming that Islam did not permit them to be subjected to medical tests, reports Public TV.
And cry for critical medicines from India.
Its looking pretty dumb let CPEC workers and flights to/from china in Jan/Feb.
Dude, please get yourself and your kid tested immediately and self quarantine if required.
Fever is one of the symptoms, but I believe running/stuffy nose and breathing difficulty also accompanies it.
Hope for the best, you'll be fine.
My wife's college hostel room mate is in Sweden. She says the government there has not even closed down schools yet. They just say they don't even have test kits so just isolate yourself if you manage to get the virus. She and a group of other Indians are trying to approach Modi to get themselves evacuated.
This is the so called "developed west". How utterly irresponsible!
Cries about lockdown in India at a time when half the world is locked down due to the virus. No other country spoke in support as expected.
Just goes to show why jaahil mask chors should not be made ministers.
you are in trouble.....
Public gatherings restricted
I dont think runny nose is a symptom. Cough with high fever and headache is only a symptom, it does not mean you have the virus.
The best thing is to go through WHO website and believe only that, rest are just myths.
ypu mean the WHO which criticized travel restriction to china? which stated china had this under control? At this point, WHO is filled with chinese lapdogs and wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them
Office closed here officially
been advised to work from home
This might be very technical for many here. its worth a read.
Lesson: stop eating wild animals!
Published: 09 November 2015
A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence
The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-CoV underscores the threat of cross-species transmission events leading to outbreaks in humans. Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.