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Dekock, Dhoni, Buttler, Mushfiq and Carey are miles ahead as wicket keeper batsman than Sarfaraz

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  1. iho
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    iho Smooth Operator

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    Dekock, Dhoni, Buttler, Mushfiq and Carey are miles ahead as wicket keeper batsman than Sarfaraz. Saife has not excelled in his batting over past 2 years and to me that is a big concern. The worst part is based on today’s press conference it seems he is very satisfied with his mediocre batting performance. What options do we have? I strongly believe that Saifees first job is keeping and batting and if he is below average in one of it then it’s a big problem. Is PCB going to retain him as captain? Unfortunately he seems to be the best choice as a captain but should his captaincy skills get priority over his batting performance when retaining him.
     
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    Does he has as Captaincy skill?



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  3. iho
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    It’s pretty clear in the current lot of 15 he is the best choice as captain but my main point is should we retain him in the team when he is not doing great as a batsman compared to top wicket keeper batsman around the world. Shouldn’t Pakistan aim for top performance versus mediocrity.
     
  4. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    Even Afghan keeper in this WC was more fitter than Sarfaraz.
     
  5. isaacking
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    It's a fallacy to say he is best amongst the available 15.

    We have no idea abt the capability of babar,Imam, amir, raiz, haris, shadab or others for they are not tested as yet.

    If we want to experiment with Captaincy then y not do it with someone who commands a place in playing 11 instead of sarfraz.

    I don't believe sarfraz if a Captaincy material, leader leads by example and one who can't even take a stand against his own coach off field, will never stand up when team needs him to stand for them on field

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  6. iho
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    It could be fallacy but that is something that has to be established at the domestic level first rather than hit and trial at the international level. Only person who has some captaincy experience is Imad Waseem at psl. We cannot be number 1 team with hit and trial. Need to develop process and system like other top teams
    Anyways debate is not about his captaincy. Again my question is does he hold a spot in the team as a wicketkeeper batsman. Do we have other better options besides Umar Akmal and Rizwan?
     
  7. isaacking
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    Either u don't follow pakistan cricket or u wish to have sarfraz as captain.

    Pakistan domestic has all the past greats leading their teams and to remove them will be like asking malik and hafeez to retire.

    There is no chance for these players to learn at domestic level.

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    I don’t want anyone to be captain. i’m Just stating facts and talking about process and system. Anyways it seems you are fixated on captaincy discussion without any substance to your argument
     
  9. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    He just released a statement that he wishes to remain captain in all three formats.

    What an audacity when someone does not deserve a spot in the team.
     
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    I am fixated in changing the captain, anyone but sarfraz.

    Substance to my argument is that Pakistan Fc will never produce a good leader. Nor will it allow someone like Amir or Babar to get the handle on been a captain while we have all time useless still playing and ruining careers of younger lot.

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    He never said that. That is wrong.
     
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    This is the full press conference if anyone wants to see.

     
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    I think pakistan as a team have progressed under safraz leadership, we were very unlucky not up make the semis, and with time will be a real force, I rate safraz far higher than our previous leadership of misbah , afridi, Malik, kamal, the guy gives it 100% and has played some good innings
     
  14. Mohammed Bilal
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    Average person is always satisfied. That's why he's called aam adami. Even If you are satisfied atleast say that you are not but clearly he's only saying this to keep captaincy because without captaincy we all know he does not make the team on merit, only Sarfraz lobby refuse to belive this.
     
  15. ASLI-PATHAN
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    You forgot to add Latham, K Perera, Shahzad & Hope. They too are miles better than Sarfaraz with the bat. Sarfaraz is easily the worst Keeper batsman in the World right now. Even the Ireland keeper Neil O Brian is better than him.

    Should be replaced in the team simple as that. We shouldn't be playing a specialist Captain. It disturbs the balance of the team. Look at all these keepers mentioned all are proper top order batsman and then look at Sarfaraz.
     
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    I have the same concern that his batting is not up to mark but what are the alternatives. Are Rizwan and Umar Akmal our only options ? Is Abid Ali a good keeper and can he be the replacement keeper because I’m not too convinced about Rizwan as batsman and Umar Akmal as keeper
     
  17. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Why are you not convinced about Rizwan's batting. He is a proper batsman and miles better keeper than Sarfaraz.
     
  18. Mohammed Bilal
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    Rizwan has proved over last 9 months his quality. Some people just don't understand performing under pressure on the spot effects a player and they cannot perform 100% to their capabilities but in Australia series he was really good. I'm fed up of this logic that they are one dimensional players. Can Sarfraz hit a six? If he was an inconsistent version of Buttler I could understand but Sarfraz isn't Andre Russell exactly so replacing him with Rizwan wouldn't be a bad idea. Other wicket keepers in domestics may be attacking but it reduces your batting line up. Maybe the U-19 keepers can be developed but until then Rizwan is the best option to replace Sarfraz in both formats.
     
  19. ASLI-PATHAN
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    He is averaging 50 in List A. Either your domestic stats are just a joke or he is indeed a proper batsman. Make your choice. This is for people who think that Rizwan is not a good batsman.
     
  20. Mohammed Bilal
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    He is a proper batsman. You don't make 2 centuries against Australia if you don't have it.
     
  21. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Give the guy confidence and tell him you are being picked till the next WC. No matter what you will be part of next WC squad. Then see how he performs.
     
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    I belive he has a confidence issue. In domestics he's a good batsman against spin but in international cricket he looks out of place against spin. I reckon it's got alot to do with confidence.
     
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    isaacking Talented

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    Last I saw rizwan, he was a walking wicket for a spinner.

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    Rizwan still averages 33 from 32 games. He should be first veted as batsman in couple of series and if he performs well then can be adopted as first choice keeper. If he plays at the same average as Safraz then we should look for someone else.
     
  25. Mohammed Bilal
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    When has Rizwan ever played consistently?
     
  26. KingOfDoosra
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    Been very impressed by Carey in this World Cup and the series v Pakistan


    His average and his performance whenever I have watched him don't seen to match
     

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