Did Pakistan of Inzi era, Post Inzi era, Misbah era underachieve?

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  1. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Contrary to popular belief, Pakistan team post 2004 was more capable of winning world cups than pre 2004. Reason is although Pakistan were a great team in 90s and early 00s but other teams were strong too but had not those controversies and bans that happened since 2006 by ICC to Pakistani cricketers, Pakistan would have won all 3 World Cups be it 2007, 2011 or 2015. Reason is Pakistan had some great talent at their disposal during Inzi era and post Inzi era and also cus the other teams were not as good as they were in 90s and early 00s. Had we got Shoaib and Asif available for 2007 WC and some proper selections like Asim Kamal and Salman Butt, we would have won that WC. Similarly in 2011, Asif, Amir and Salman Butt were not available due to 2010 incident. And in 2015, ICC dented Pakistan by banning Saeed Ajmal.
     
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    2007:

    1. Asim Kamal
    2. Kamran Akmal
    3. Younus Khan
    4. Inzamam (C)
    5. Mohd Yousuf
    6. Azhar Mehmood / Hafeez
    7. Razzaq
    8. Shahid Afridi
    9. Shoaib Akhtar
    10. Arshad Khan
    11. Mohd Asif
    Reserves: Danish Kaneria, Mohd Sami, Salman Butt, Shoaib Malik.
     
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    The personal effect of Misbah's tuk tuk captaincy that trickled down on the entire squad, his 24/7 on the back-foot approach of a scared leader, and his very limited ability to bat, coupled with ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE coaching role of Waqar Younus, are THE MAIN REASONS why we regressed in cricket.

    We needed a cheetah captain but we got a pu$$y cat.

    We needed an intelligent and well qualified coach with a proven record of making a difference in an international team but we got a dumb eff whose self ego was big enough that he needed a donkey to carry it around. And that donkey was the team captain.
     
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    They regressed cus they gave every Tom, **** and Harry a chance except Fawad Alam! Same they did with Asim Kamal after departure of Inzi!!
     
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    Sarfraz ki lobby thi jo Sarfraz ka case plead karti thi din raat pura Geo Sarfraz ke saath tha jab ke jo real deserving the jaise Fawad Alam aur Asim Kamal unka case fight karne wala koi nahi tha!!
     
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    This is where THE MAJOR problem lies.

    Our domestic cricket standard is an absolute piece of human poop.

    So our batsmen from domestic level require help to transition into the international arena.

    A Pakistan couch should act like a ladder who helps the young and emerging batsmen from domestic to climb up into the international arena. Our domestic cricket simply does NOT produce batsmen who are outright ready to play international cricket. So the coach comes into play here.

    But we had this piece of crap in the name of coach and then head coach, Mr. Waqar Younus who was a bowler in his days, and he has no ability to groom a young batsman. Absolutely ZERO!

    He ruined the career of all young batsmen in that era - whoever got the chance in the national team, ended up failing.

    If Fawad Alam was given more chance, he would've failed too.

    And then we had Mr. Tuk Tuk. A miserable personality with no inspiration for any batsman. Head down, and 24/7 tuk tuk.
    He couldn't think beyond that. How do you expect him to coach and/or inspire a youngster?
     
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    Misbah was still a very good role model, disciplined and all but Pakistan ko sab se ziada nuqsaan Waqar Younus ne pohanchaya hai cricket mein!!
     
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    Fawad Alam could have been tried as an opener after all he got that 165 against Sri Lanka as opener on test debut. There was no place in that middle order cus of the presence of Younus and Misbah at 4 and 5 and 6 was too low for Fawad and 3 was uncomfortable for him so it was best if he would have been tried as an opener. This could have been test team of Misbah era:

    1. Fawad Alam
    2. Hafeez
    3. Azhar Ali
    4. Younus Khan
    5. Misbah (C)
    6. Asad Shafiq
    7. Sarfraz
    8. Amir
    9. Saeed Ajmal
    10. Umar Gul / Yasir Shah
    11. Mohd Asif
     
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    Nahi yar. You are entitled to your opinion and I have no problem with it

    I would have had absolutely no problem if Misbah played as a specialist batsman only, in the team.

    But this gandu was the captain.
    A coward, scared miserable and super stubborn person at the captaincy role sends down his personality effect to the entire squad. He failed to groom or inspire anyone.

    If you had asked any Pakistani kid in that era, "Who wants to be a Misbah"? No one would've raised their hand.
     
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    If Misbah hadnt played for Pakistan, I would have probably taken his place and did exactly what he did! My game was similar to Misbah since childhood! Misbah was the king of this decade in my opinion!!
     
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    again, if you played as a specialist batsman, I would've supported you.
    But if you were placed on the helm of captaincy with that personality trait as of Msibah? I would've gotten rotten eggs for you.

    Captaincy requires bravery and the ability to find a perfect mix of offense and defense. You need to take risks at times to fry the bigger fish. But Misbah was never such a man. He was a coward who loved sardines.
     
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    Bravery is not hitting every ball for six like Shahid Afridi!!
     
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    Everytime Younus and Misbah used to walk in to bat at 10 for 3 and what are they supposed to do in that situation? Jitna Younus aur Misbah ne is decade mein batting ki puri dunya mein kisi ne nahi ki except maybe Sangakara!! These two knew everytime they walked in to bat that if they got out early, Pakistan will be bowled out for 50 and their success ratio was phenomenal.
     
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    again, you are totally missing the point.
    Misbah ney batting ki ,, good enough as a batsman - but Misbah as a captain and a team leader? HORRIBLE !!
     
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    Asim Kamal is the flavour of the month.

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