Does Inzi harbor any bias against Fawad Alam?

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    The exclusion of Fawad Alam from the squad for the test series against England has raised many questions. Former test players, including former captain Wasim Akram, have questioned this decision saying it was ‘beyond comprehension’.

    Many fans have slammed the decision as yet another example of nepotism reigning the corridors of Pakistan Cricket Board. They especially point fingers at the inclusion of Imam-ul-Haq who is the nephew of the Chief Selector Inzamam-ul-Haq.

    Fawad Alam, 32, seems to be in good form and has been scoring runs in domestic cricket. His batting average stands at 55.37 in first-class cricket. Imam-ul-Haq on the other hand, though quite talented, is only 22 years old, and has an average of 43.57.

    On top of having a good form, and batting average, critics argue that Fawad Alam brings experience to the team which will be needed on such a crucial tour. Imam-ul-Haq lacks such experience.

    So does the exclusion of Fawad Alam really means Inzi is harboring some sort of bias against him? Why did he prefer Imam-ul-Haq over Fawad Alam, is a question that merits a convincing answer.

    Inzamam has kept mum over the issue and has not released any statement in this regard.

    The decision has its supporters though. After PSL, the dynamics of Pakistan cricket have changed, they contend. Talented youngsters have overshadowed the role of senior players.

    “If someone is talented, s/he should not be negatively impacted just because s/he is relative of a PCB official”, they argue.

    In order to step into the world of modern cricket, Pakistan will have to bank on its young talent a lot more. Imam-ul-Haq proved himself when he was given a chance in ODI. It is yet to be seen how he conducts himself in the pressure games against England.

    As far as Fawad Alam is concerned, his inclusion or exclusion from the team should be viewed independently from that of Imam-ul-Haq or any other youngster. The exclusion of Fawad Alam, though unfortunate for him personally, is not a bad omen for Pakistan cricket.

    https://www.voj.news/does-inzi-harbor-any-bias-against-fawad-alam/
     
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    No bias. It’s Nepotism to accommodate his bhanja
     
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    Fawad, nepotism and Pakistan cricket

    KARACHI: The condition of sports in any country is a reflection of its society, as many would agree, and Pakistan, by far and large, presents the best case study to understand this phenomenon.

    We often hear leaders and politicians claim that Pakistan, if realises its potential, can become a real powerhouse, but the only thing which is stopping it from reaching its full potential is the denouncement of merit, mostly due to nepotism.

    Nepotism has become a house-hold term used by Pakistanis whenever they are asked to list down reasons for the failure of the country on so many fronts.

    When it comes to sports then, it becomes evident why most of the federations are in a shambolic state: nepotism eating through the roots of merit.

    Let’s talk about cricket now, which is arguably country’s most commercialised sport, and therefore the stakes are high when cricketers walk onto the pitch to represent the country, however, even higher are the complains of favouritism.

    Back in the 90’s, it was an open secret that the likes of Basit Ali, Asif Mujtaba and Mohammad Zahid couldn’t find a permanent spot in the national team even after delivering on numerous occasions just because they were not liked by the captain, the coach or the chief selector.

    Fast forward today and things still haven’t changed, not even a bit. Even now, there are players who make it into the national squad on the basis of personal relations, rather than domestic performances, which is the prefect recipe for disaster, sooner or later.

    Such was the case when the 16-member national squad was announced on Sunday by chief selector Inzamamul Haq for the highly anticipated Test tour of Ireland and England.

    The team management, undoubtedly, took a bold step and placed their faith in youngsters, which included five uncapped players namely Fakhar Zaman, Imamul Haq, Usman Salahuddin, Saad Ali and Faheem Ashraf, but there was a common absentee too — Fawad Alam.

    While the selection of Zaman and Salahuddin didn’t boggle anyone’s mind, the selection of Imam and Ali made perfectly no sense, especially at the expense of someone as seasoned as Alam.

    Alam’s average of 55.37 in first-class in as many as 145 outings speaks volumes about his quality. Even comparing it to Imam’s average of 34.46 (34 matches) and Ali’s 46.93 (50 matches) may leave a bad taste in one’s mouth, but that was not the case on Sunday.

    To further strengthen Alam’s case, he has scored 264 runs in his last five innings (all formats, domestic and international included) at a staggering average of 88, talk about the form he is in.

    On the other hand, Imam was able to manage only 42 runs in his last five cricketing innings at an average of 8.40 (brilliant, eh?) with scores 6,4,0,30 and 2, while Ali scored 41 runs at an average of 10.25 with scores 26 (not out) 4,4,7,0.

    The only thing which goes in the favour of Imam (apart from being the nephew of the chief selector) and Ali are their ages, but then again, if Alam can’t make it to the national team at 32, Misbahul Haq and Younus Khan should’ve been asked to go home early too.

    Fun fact: Test mainstays namely Azhar Ali (33) and Asad Shafiq (32) are nearly the same age or older than Alam.

    While announcing the team, Inzamam did reply to the quandary of why Alam wasn’t selected. He professionally ditched the question, as has been done by so many over the last three-four years, by saying that unselected ones should not be disappointed and work hard to be a part of the squad in the future.

    But why shouldn’t he be disappointed after being overlooked for so many years and being rejected just to bring in mediocre players like Imam.

    Alam’s non-selection remains an unsolved mystery. Even after having the best average in the history of Pakistan’s domestic cricket, it is shocking, surprising, and to an extent comical that he has not represented the Men in Green in nearly three years.

    Alam’s complete ignorance will perhaps be written as one the darkest chapters in Pakistan’s cricketing history, where an individual did all things possible but no good use.

    Inzamam might ready answers to the questions he will face after what happened on Sunday, otherwise he should get ready to be remembered as someone else rather than the player

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1686992/7-fawad-nepotism-pakistan-cricket/
     
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    How good is Fawad Alam really?

    Why not Fawad Alam? Something is seriously wrong with Inzamam-ul-Haq. Fawad Alam’s case should now be taken in by the Supreme Court of Pakistan (SCP) by the Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Mian Saqib Nisar.

    These were the sentiments expressed by a reader on Pakistan Today’s Facebook page underneath a news item about the selection of a 16-man squad which had excluded Fawad Alam.

    The sentiment is, of course, widespread. The name Fawad Alam draws instant indignation from the famously fickle fans of Pakistan.

    Even Pakistan Today’s satirical publication The Dependent, perhaps inspired by the angry commenter, couldn’t help but take a swipe at yet another snub, writing a piece titled “Courts summon Inzamam-ul-Haq to ask ‘Faadi ko kyun nahi khilatay?’”

    But how good is Fawad Alam, exactly? What makes fans so riled up as to cry havoc every time he is given the cold shoulder by selectors? And if he is all that, then what good is it doing to the current chief selector or those before him to exclude him from a team riddled with injuries?

    Thoroughly devoid of natural talent with an ugly sort of batting technique, Fawad Alam really isn’t the sort of player that ticks. He shifts balance badly and scrunches his face up unpleasantly when exerting force. Unattractive stroke play combined with a small stature and an inability to hit anything big makes him a surprising crowd favourite.

    Yet with a first-class average of 55.37, and List-A average of 49, nobody can deny he is Pakistan’s most prolific domestic cricketer. But maybe he just isn’t cut out of the mold that is required for the international format? Of course, his international numbers also indicate that he is a correct fit for the squad. He has an average of over 40 in tests, admittedly due to a single inning of 168 on debut, but he has only played three tests, and those too way back in 2009, long before he matured into the sensible player he has now become.

    Back in 2015, he showed his steel in a tour game against England XI, and his ODI figures fare even better. With an average of 40.25, players with numbers much worse than him are mainstays in the Pakistan set-up. Admittedly, his strike rate is on the lower side at 74.

    The only explanation one can think of for his exclusion is that there is no clear role for him in the current set up under Sarfraz Ahmed. What he does very well is oft done better by the likes of say, Harris Sohail.

    But then there is nothing for a room in the test team right now. With an opener out and the team still trying to rebalance after the dual exist of Misbah and Younis, why doesn’t Fawad Alam get his chance ahead of the three debutants?

    For a man quietly biding his time without any complaint continuing the drudgery of first-class cricket, is it any wonder that there is so much outcry? Meanwhile, loudmouths like Umar Akmal have been given chance after chance to no avail and continue to hark on about their wasted talent.

    The only reason one can think of is his lack of style and charisma. And if that is indeed the criteria, then it really is a bad one.

    https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2018/04/15/how-good-is-fawad-alam-really/
     
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    Fawad needs to grow a foot long beard to get Inzi's attention
     
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    Or may be start courting with him in tableeghi ijtima
     
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    But Fawad was competing on middle order position and bhatija is selected as opener. Which hold no justification, because this is the only format (TEST), where Selfie merits selection ahead of Sami, the tail ender opener and bhatija.
     
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    The way I see its, not Inzi's selection. Its Mickey's selection.

    But on the flip side, whats the point of having CS and paying him so much if his remarks doesn't carry any weight and Mickey makes critical decisions?
     
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    Same answer as I gave in the other post. Question is why do we need 4 openers in the team and that one extra opener could be replaced with additional middle order batsman in the form of Fawad but I think some concessions that Mickey got in selections were traded with Imam's selection as an opener.
     
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    I think it was a pure case of "give and take". I will give you Imam and take away Fawad.
     
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    Inzi was always one to hold grudges. Worst human being ever along with Moyo
     
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    Check this out. Inzamam says he has seen better players than Fawad in last three years. Lol. He is living in another world altogether, it seems. What a ridiculous statement by him. One of the worst selectors, who doesn’t understand statistics at all, it seems, illiterate. Most of our ex cricketers seem illiterate, thats why I dont want them near such posts.
     
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    of course Inzi is not very literate so subject of statistics is beyond his understanding.
     
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    Exactly but given the circumstances, it behooves Inzi to be transparent about why Fawad was left out. If it was because Mickey and Sarfraz didn't want him and wanted someone else, then that needs to be made clear.
     
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    Why are you disrespecting A legend from Pakistan for one mistake even after all the good selections he made which you obviously forget.

    And why do people want Waba No Ball back? and selfie who cannot bat when there is an inch of movement?

    The only selection mistake was not picking Fawad who should have been in place of Imam but I belive Fawad will play for Pakistan if anyone of Babar, Imam or Sami fail.
     
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    How can I respect someone when he is involved in nepotism. Imagine how Fawad must be feeling for being let down by his country for so long. Inzi was a great cricketer but it ends there. As a selector he is not that great and infact turned out to be a corrupt person for whom I have zero respect
     
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    We need to question the ppl higher up. Many coaches & selectors have come & gone yet Fawad has been barely selected. Can’t keep blaming coach & captains.

    As I said earlier, I’ve been hearing about this Fawad injustice saga for more than a decade.
     
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    Do you think whoever that higher authority if had given an option to Inzi to pick between Fawad and his bhanja then Inzi would have picked Fawad instead. If a person is honest then he will find a way to do things right else resign. Sorry we can’t give Inzi a pass
     
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    not sure where they pulled out 43.57 as imams average, it isnt, its a significantly worse 34.46.

    the issue isnt just inzi, who was as usual picked for the role of chief selector by the pcb without any thought, responsibility or accountability. the fault is not just his, what about all those other idiots before him who didnt pick him when he was in the form of his life and at his very best, sainted going with technique shafiq, who according to yousuf is the best in the world but for some reason has struggled to break into double figures the last couple of years.

    but that said, yes, inzi has a bias against fawad and ticks he doesnt have the technique to survive. a home series loss to Sri Lanka, losing a test to the windies, and whitewash losses against the Aussies and kiwis in the last two years would seem to indicate that his assessment of technique and survivability dont mean s***.

    inzi is terrible. a nepotist and unfortunately a moron as a selector. he can still be this and make some good decisions, because he can still be this and a billion times better than his spineless brainless gutless yes men predecessors.

    inzi has made not one but several mistakes, and has been doing the same since his tenure began. he doesnt know what talent there is the country, is totally inconsistent with his reliance on stats, and is fed by mushy at the NCA, and other pals who are equally clueless as he fudges his way through his role.

    at the very least imam in (1st mistake) and alam out (2nd mistake) are two, not one. Babar is a worse mistake (3), shafiq is a mistake (4), sadaf is a mistake (5) - as a bunch of starters.
     
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    Agree, but it wouldn't happen, specially in our culture. Nobody would name anyone and they will keep saying "it a collective decision".
     
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    That is very much possible too that him and Sadaf might have irked somebody or some people in PCB. However, in case of Sadaf Azhar Mahmood statement is on the record, where he expressed his concerns over his fitness, speed and batting abilities, if I recall it correctly.
     
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    he said that he was too slow, but could possibly be good in swinging conditions down under - and then went on not to select him where we were thoroughly humiliated. he then went on recently to contradict his previous statements by saying his record was very impressive and he has earned a chance to play. and now hasnt selected him again, or pushed for him to be ore accurate, as far as I can glean from the press.

    I think the issue here is that coaches should not be selectors. they should be asked for their input, but the chief selector role is titled such for a good reason, and thats where the buck stops.

    none of these guys can answer how these players - sadaf and fawad - are light years ahead of everyone else in fc, over multiple years, if they have a technique that doesnt travel internationally. what does that say about all the other players who are "higher on the list"???

    I have not seen a single sensible response to this very very obvious question, including first hand when I have spoken to people who are heavily involved at the highest level. they are all oblivious.

    this reliance on identifying 'technique' is absolute rubbish too - how have they established at all that they have been successful at doing this? take shafiq as an example, hailed by all and sundry as having the best technique in pakistan apparently. and how good has that assessment been? well after 97, yes 97 test innings, he is ranked 25th. so thats basically 4 teams full of batsmen better than him in the world, and hes not even our highest rank batter.

    on the other hand, lets look at stats rather than this 'experience for picking technique' as a selection policy:

    abbas comes in with a 21 average per wicket in fc, far higher than most of the others and lo and behold is averaging 21 for his 23 wickets in 5 games against weak opposition but certainly (or thereabouts) outperforming all his peers picked for their 'technique'.

    Take haris - a fc average of 56, and lo and behold immediately starts performing with a (meaningless) average of 44, or 176 runs in his two matches, again outperforming his peers.

    take fakhar, a 50 average in LA, brought in for selfie and wins us a major tournament.

    and heres the stats at the other end, babar, averaging 51 in LA and lo and behold, is our best ODI batter with an average of 51 after 40 innings. he averages 34 in FC however, and lo and behold, he is crap in tests, averaging 24 over 22 innings.

    the point is the stats are not always right, but when they are wrong its an exception. why is this black and white provable fact so difficult for these idiots to grasp? why are they so insistent that their unproved subjective assessment is better, particularly when this same policy has resulted in such god awful results, and the stats assessment has been proved to work spectacularly?
     
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    Heard Sadaf is being unfairly targetted because he is Shia.
     
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    Did not expect anything better from this arrogant, selfish, nepotistic ex legend.
     
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    Urdu speaking player from Karachi, no parchi, no safaris, unarthodox and clumsy batting stance, too many negatives despite his awesome average and undeniable talent, wont get picked up by any selector other than Rashid Latif.
     
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    Contrast that with Umar Amin, the "classy" left hander who has had several chances. If Fawad was taller with a less clumsy stance, then I bet he would have been able to get past some of his critics who can't look past it. I doubt he will get a chance with an opinionated Mickey as coach who likely does not rate him and probably can't look past the stance.
     
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    He’s been selected for the KPK team which is a big achievement as he can finally announce himself on live TV and on wickets that will be good for batting.

    I hope that is not the case and if he is good enough he should be selected for Pakistan.

    Liking disliking must stop.
     
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    Fawad must have rubbed the Pakistan cricket chiefs in the wrong way otherwise can't explain his persistent exclusion. He's probably been dating someones girl and they are making him pay for it
     
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    Not surprised he was selected by Abdul Rehman Khan. Guy is fair to the bone. Probably only guy with a beard in Pakistani cricket you can take seriously
     
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    I don't know why inzi is being roasted for not picking fawad Alam. It seems pretty clear nobody in the cricketing circles of Pakistan rates fawad Alam he didn't even get into any of the psl teams I believe? Does he play any other leagues? It is unfortunate that it has happened but this is not the first time it is happening that a player who have done nothing wrong is not able to get a spot into the team. And this is not only a Pakistan i thing either. I believe ramiz raja have also given a statement as to how he feels fawad is not ok enough to represent pakistan in international cricket, u must get the clue from there. Bad luck fawad.
     
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    Haha that sounds like an interesting conspiracy theory.
     
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    I wasn't aware of Azhar's other statement about Sadaf, where he contradicted himself.

    As for Fawad, as @MNA said, his first language might be the biggest hurdle. Of course its obvious that the guy has no connection, his Father in law isn't selector, nor his Dad holds any position Board of Governors in PCB.

    As for Head coach being part of selection committee, yes he shouldnt, but then he will have blue tears in his eye if PAK will lose the series and he'll whine that I didnt get players I needed for the job.

    Coming on stats, yes, stats are good, and they're there for a reason, however, it tells what you want to paint on wall, not what you need to put in the concrete mixture. There are some cunning players who's master in manipulating stats as well and the first name comes in my mind is Hackfeez. Take a peek as last series against NZ, many of his supporters were saying that he batted much better than others. However, this is how I see it, twice PAK batted first and he took his comfort to score 60 (71), 81 (80) while his team posted at least 35 under par. Thrice PAK chased and his scores were 1 (9), 0 (4), 6 (20) - this is absolute manipulation of stats and this guy is a Professor in doing that. This has been his career story actually - manipulation, well supported by PCB & his Captains. Even when he was posting Sobers like performance with bat & chucking in UAE, his outside Asia stats were like 25/70 - that too hugely boosted by his lifetime achievement - a mega bonanza series against Robert Mughabe's ZIM.

    Guy is intelligent and extremely cunning - instead of indulging in the rat race of Captaincy, he kept his Captain (s), coach (s) comfortable and enjoyed the megastar status in the team for almost a decade - only player regular starter for 3 formats (not anymore, thanks to Mickey), bats in top 3 for all 3 format, bowls full quota, drops at abundance at 1st slip or point, assured Cat A central contract ..... this won't have been possible had his Captain (s) were threatened. Also, by looking all this I question why he gets all these perks? Is he a bigger cricketer than IK and Wasim etc?

    Nevertheless, based on domestic performance players like Sadaf and Fawad should get some chances. If players like Shan and Sami can get many opportunities, if Babar can get long leeway in the name of potential, if Shafiq papa can get free ride at no.6 due to his "technique", then these poor guys certainly deserve some chances, otherwise whats the point of playing domestic season?

    Coming back on Fawad and Sadaf, to be honest, I don't have any hope that these two will play for Pakistan, and now even by some miracle they do, they wouldn't succeed, because they've passed their prime. And then CS and coaching staff statements will make headlines that "we told you he is no good!!!"

    Pakistan have lose players like this in past, so I guess two more will be added in the list.

    This is another reason why we are not a top Test playing nation and if we get on top of the ladder, because some other team lose, then it only last for a very short period of time. Because our selectors and head coach don't select players based on the format.
     
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    "“Having said that, it is down to the selectors but I feel that based purely on his performances and statistics, he does deserve a chance for Pakistan,” he added."

    https://www.brecorder.com/2018/02/12/398651/pakistans-bowling-star-suffers-due-to-lack-of-speed/

    to be fair to Azhar, im quoting him out of context, but he did say that. I have a lot of time for Azhar mahmood, but again, its not his job to be a selector, and to be honest, from what I hear he doesnt have that big an input into selection matters. remember it was mickey who chose the idiotic fast bowling selections against sl securing our first home series loss in ages.
     
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    Yes, absolutely both have numbers to warrant selection.

    And yes, I dont think either that Azhar has much say in the selection. Its Mickey and Inzy, where former have the last say.
     
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    After so much of noise on the selections it will now come down to performance. Poor performance in the 3 test matches and swords will hang on Inzi and Mickey. They better perform !
     

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