England v Pakistan | 4th ODI | Nottingham | 17 May 2019 (D/N) | Match Discussion

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  1. Del
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    Pakistan showed better performance with the bat, however bowling has been totally abysmal. specially pace bowling.

    Amir might not be available and Shaheen has been struggling in the series so far, which are troubling sign for team Pakistan.

    That said, what pace bowling options should we try in decider of this series? Will Hasnain be given a chance?

    Will Hafeez play 4th ODI? Pakistan not only need his batting but also his spin bowling.
     
  2. godzilla
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    whats the point of discussing it even?!
     
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    Trent Bridge ..... I actually hope Hasnain doesn't play here.

    I still can't forget that spell from Wahab... 110 runs off his 10 overs lol
     
  5. Shahzad.Firdous
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    1. Imam
    2. Fakhar
    3. Babar
    4. Harris
    5. Sarfraz
    6. Asif
    7. Imad
    8. Fahim
    9. Hassan Ali / Amir (if available)
    10. Hasnain
    11. Junaid
     
  6. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    Another hammering for our bowlers is in store here.
     
  7. Shahzad.Firdous
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    ill make only one change here. hasnain in place of shaheen. rest same. Amir in place of Hassan if available.
     
  8. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Bowl first i would say. Lets hope we get a greentop finally with overcast conditions.
     
  9. Shahzad.Firdous
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    We should bowl Hasnain with that new ball to make an impact. He has got the pace to destroy the status quo. Right now, English batsmen are playing freely! Only Hasnain has got the right attitude and skillset to trouble the best here other than Amir offcourse!!
     
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    There was only one drawback to this feast of run-making which was a continuation of the second game at Southampton - and it was not that bowlers were helpless. Pakistan’s laboured, but Chris Woakes nipped out their two most dangerous batsmen in the first five overs - an invaluable contribution as Pakistan thereafter were forced to show some restraint and keep wickets in hand.
     
  11. Shahzad.Firdous
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    1. Abid Ali
    2. Hafeez
    3. Babar
    4. Malik
    5. Sarfraz
    6. Asif
    7. Imad
    8. Fahim
    9. Hassan
    10. Hasnain
    11. Junaid
    Rest Imam, Fakhar and Harris Sohail. They are already guaranteed a place in World Cup squad. give a chance to others.
     
  12. Del
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    More to the point, certainly we didnt bowl well at all apart from Junaid's first spell. Either they all were feeding on leg-stump of Bairstow or kept bowling in his hitting zone, who took full advantage of it. To me they either they went in without any plan or totally failed to execute it. In either case, its really bad, because first 2 ODI's so far have utterly sabotaged reputation of our bowling attack.

    Icing on the cake, missed catches, Shaheen not only dropped one, but also didnt even try to move when a dolly was dropped in-front of him. In fielding his attitude is downright pathetic.
     
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    Imam 200
     
  14. iZeeshan
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    Nobody wants to watch this bore runfest. Someone needs to fix cricket. I can't believe this is actually what the people want.
     
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    Smh

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    Morgan suspended for one game because of slow over rate but guess that doesnt really matter lol

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    My XI

    Imam/Abid
    Fakher/Hafeez
    Baber
    Harris
    Asif
    Imad
    Sarfaraz
    Amir
    Hassan
    Junaid
    Hussnain

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  18. Energy
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    Interesting situation as both Haris and Asif have performed. And Hafeez and Malik would want to come in now.
     
  19. Del
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  20. Passionate Pakistani
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    England to rest

    Bairstow
    Morgan (suspended)
    Denly
    Willey
    Plunket

    Buttler to lead
    Vince
    Rashid
    Wood
    Archer

    Are all expected to play

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  21. Bilal123
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    Get Hasnain in, take Faheem out.
    Get Hafeez in too ideally at no.6
     
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    I don't see whats good about him, average bowler. Not express, neither does he swing it much, no awkward bounce, no yorkers etc. just average
     
  23. KingOfDoosra
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    I would say Malik and Hasnain in for Faheem and Shaheen
     
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    Shaheen has a huge flaw in his action where he can’t keep his wrist in a locked position.

    And then a major and fundamental problem with ALL Pakistan left arm pacers after Wasim. They all fall towards their right during the delivery. Every single one of them, except for Wahab and Tanvir who have other non-fixable problems in their bowling actions.

    I would’ve lived with the incompetency of our coaches and ignorance of our left arm pacers if they hadn’t notice it on their own, but what’s mind boggling is that Wasim himself is on the record pointing this flaw which has choked the ability to swing.

    Why can’t our “professionals” notice this?

    Just look at Junaid and Amir’s neck falling towards their right during the delivery and then their entire body follows it. And then compare it to Wasim’s action.

    It’s very, very hard to bring the ball in for right Handers or move it away from left handed batsmen with this fundamental flaw in your left arm bowling action.

    You must stay close to the stumps, keep a straight up arm and keep a straight neck and do NOT fall towards your right while you are releasing the ball - and then see if it makes a difference?
     
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  25. Mohsin
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    Pakistan will win today. Mark this post.
     
  26. Farhan.tribune
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    Squads for 4th ODI

    England: Eoin Morgan (c), Moeen Ali, Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow, Jos Buttler (wk), Tom Curran, Joe Denly, Chris Jordan, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, James Vince, David Willey, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood

    Pakistan: Sarfaraz Ahmed (c, wk), Fakhar Zaman, Imam-ul-Haq, Abid Ali, Babar Azam, Haris Sohail, Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Hafeez, Imad Wasim, Yasir Shah, Hasan Ali, Faheem Ashraf, Junaid Khan, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Mohammad Hasnain, Mohammad Amir, Asif Ali
     
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    Malik and hafeez are in for Faheem and Haris.
     
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  31. Passionate Pakistani
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    No

    We are playing 4 bowlers
    .hafeez n malik will do fifth bowler job.

    Haris, Shaheen and Faheem dropped/rested

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    Lol cricinfo always get the Pak lineup wrong. Pathetic.
     
  33. Fireworks11
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    Serious pace from Wood and Archer

    90mph+
     
  34. s_h_a_f
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    Damn these two bowlers can wreak havoc
     
  35. s_h_a_f
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    Imam hurt. Flush on the elbow.
     
  36. Mohsin
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    9-0 into the 4th over. Flying start, 400 on the cards...
     
  37. Passionate Pakistani
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    Serious pace and one down already
    Lets hope nothing serious

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    Told ya guys if there is quality bowler, he can do well even on these pitches.

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  40. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Archer is nothing special.
     

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