Foreign coach to replace Misbah after SA series

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  1. s_h_a_f
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    s_h_a_f Moderator

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    Why not immediately?
     
  2. aliahad
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    aliahad Youngsta Beauty

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    Coz PCB want another series defeat under his belt so they can say you lost overseas and at home
     
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    I posted this on another thread but feel this post is also valid here:

    A good player doesn't make a good coach and a good coach doesn't make a good player.

    The likes of Waqar, Misbah and Younus are great players but that doesn't mean they can be great coaches.

    We need to identify a strong head coach who can oversee the teams training and practice regime, come up with strategies and plans whilst at the same time using experienced players - such as the 3 mentioned above - in specialist roles such as batting coach, bowling coach etc.

    The bigger issue for me is that I feel we put way too much emphasis on coaching and coaches.

    By the time a player gets to the international level playing at the peak of the game, they should not be so heavily reliant on coaches. The coaches should simply be there from time to time to bounce ideas off of, fix particular technical issues etc. Not to teach them the fundamentals of bowling, batting, and fielding.

    If the team is going to drop 9 catches in a game - that blame has to fall on the players and we cant scapegoat the coaches for not teaching the international players how to catch. They should have learned how to catch before being selected for the national team when they were playing under-11 and under-15 cricket.

    Similarly, if we have a bowler who is consistently bowling no balls, wides, half trackers, on the legs etc. then you can't blame the coaches for this. The bowlers have to take responsibility for simply doing the basics wrong. These aren't things that require coaching at the international level.

    Now look at Shan Masood as an example - if he is going to score 4 ducks in his last 8 innings and give away his wicket getting caught behind down the leg side - how can you blame Younus, Misbah, or any coach for this? Shan has to be held accountable for this.

    I'm all for having a trained, professional head coach and I am all for using the experience of our past great players to support the current team under the guidance of the head coach. However, the players at the end of the day have to take responsibility and I am really hopeful that in the next 1-2 years we should start seeing the benefits of our players playing competitive cricket in the PSL and the new Quid-e-Azam trophy.

    I think changing the format of the QeA trophy and playing competitive cricket against the best players in the country will help our up and coming players immensely inshAllah. We have wasted way too many years having umpteen number of teams and having rubbish matches such as WAPDA vs Sui Gas who no one cares about in low-class cricket, not allowing our players to develop.

    Similarly rubbing shoulders and playing T20 cricket with international stars in the PSL should also help our younger players to iron out such basic deficiencies such as dropping catches, bowling no-balls, performing under pressure and giving away their wicket cheaply.

    It will take time but there is no quick fix - you can try bringing in whichever coach you want, local or foreign.
     
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    The problem I think we have is our coaches try to mold the players into copy of the coaches. They instead should develop the natural talent the player has. As @TalhaSyed said not all great players can be great coaches.
     
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    Agree with Talha (largely though not completely). Coaching requires a completely different skillset to playing. Coaching requires man management skills, analytic / strategic thinking, technical knowledge, ability to spot flaws at a micro level, to be innovative and interesting in the use of drills and most importantly to be able to connect with people and impart knowledge, data etc onto them.

    The problem in Pakistan is the cricketing media and cricketing establishment has still not understood this. We could, for example, appoint someone like Mansoor Rana (just for example) as our coach. He may well be a very good coach but you can easily predict the reaction from the media and former 'great' players. They won't let him settle, they will create politics, he will be constantly under pressure, someone else will start maneuvering for the job etc

    In terms of whether you can blame a coach or the players - both have to take responsibility. If a team is consistently dropping catches, we have to wonder whether the fielding drills etc that are being used are actually benefiting the players or having any effect on them. If a player is shot of confidence and is mentally struggling, you have to wonder whether the coaches man management skills are doing their job properly. It is similar to working in an office - I have had good line managers and bad line managers. The good ones I felt I could be honest with about what I needed, I felt motivated etc. The bad ones I felt I had to hide things from them, they stressed me out, made me feel anxious etc.

    Appointing Misbah as coach was a farce from the very beginning. From the process of appointing him to the decision to appoint him itself. An absolute farce.
     
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    Yup - I do agree that the amount of influence the media and past cricketers have on our cricket is ridiculous/Especially since the majority of them are so narrow-minded and can't see the benefit of having someone with the correct qualifications in the correct role. I mean the fact that since Day 1 there have been so many people out to get Wasim Khan removed is ridiculous, even though from an administrative point of view he has done amazing things for Pakistani cricket in a relatively short time (e.g. revamping the domestic structure, bringing international cricket back to Pakistan, having the PSL in Pakistan, etc.)

    And yes - we do need a coach with strong man-management skills and who can handle the players because I feel that is what their role should be at the international level. I don't feel that an international coach should be expected to teach his players not to drop catches, not to bowl half trackers, and not to give away their wicket easily.
     
  7. s_h_a_f
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    Well it looks like Misbah is here to stay afterall
     

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