Former ISI Chief Lt. Gen (r) Hamid Gul has passed away

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  1. Inswinger
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    Suffered a brain hemorrhage and reportedly passed away at the hospital.

    Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un

    May Allah (SWT) give his family the strength to bear the loss.
     
  2. ComradeVenom
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    Im stunned.

    May Allah give him high status in Jannah and give his family sabr
     
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    A true Pakistani patriot who worked hard for the country. It is disgusting to see liberal scum on other places attack this man, who contributed so much to the country. May ALLAH grant him Jannah! Ameen!
     
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    Inna lilahi wa inna ilahi rajioon.

    One of the very few true son of soil. May Allah give sabr to his family and grant him the highest place in Jannah. Big loss for Pakistan.
     
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    Really saddened by his death.. A true patriotic man .. Going to attend his funeral InshaAllah .. A real braveheart soldier of this soil
     
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    Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un

    Heard he was a great, respected person. May Allah SWT grant him a place in Jannah.
     
  7. Momo
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    Militant/'jehaadi' islam promoted by Gen. Zia and his cronies will continue to haunt this country for decades.

    "The evil that men do lives after them;
    The good is oft interrèd with their bones."
     
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    Also recall the creation of IJI and Gen. Gul's similarly shameless antics. If his television interviews are any evidence, far from apologizing, he was proud of all his actions till the very end.

    Still, one can be sure that he will be buried as a national hero. Our heroes and hero-worship!
     
  9. Wistful Reminisces
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    He is a national hero. He was India and US's worst nightmare, and exposed all their dirty lies
     
  10. ComradeVenom
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    What was the alternative in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion?
     
  11. Inswinger
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    He did what had to be done at the time.
     
  12. Momo
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    He was US's pawn. He did exactly what the US wanted. Some hero!

    (He was sent a piece of the broken Berlin Wall. Was very proud of the fact. Talk about selling your soul cheap.)

    After more than 35 years, I think it's time we put the Soviet invasion bugaboo to rest. The whole operation was planned and executed by the US, with invaluable (and free) help from Pakistani stooges (Gen. Zia and co.).
     
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    Not all people will miss the irony in a terrorist suicide attack killing a high profile politician the very next day after the death of a high profile general who was part of the nursery that manufactured these killing machines.
     
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    Yes but since you mentioned him and Gen Zia cultivating Jihadi groups ( a practice that started with the reaction to the Soviet Invasion)..what should Gen Hamid Gul etc have done differently?
     
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    Suicide bombings began in Pakistan around 2005. Gen Gul was out of service for about 10 years before this. Suicide tactics weren't used by the Afghan resistance against the Soviets.

    Unless suicide bombing nursery lasts about 15 years then its a tall claim to place the blame at Hamid Gul.
     
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    Suicide bombing is just a part of it. I am talking about the deliberate and coldblooded creation of frankensteins (brainwashing, weapons, blood and all). The rest is history.

    As for the ten or fifteen years you mention, even small mistakes in our personal lives don't yield results immediately. Crimes on the national level take even more time to manifest themselves in the form of results. The connection is very real nevertheless.

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    Waqt karta hai parwarish barson
     
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    This practice wasn't a reaction to the Soviet invasion; it was forced upon them once they decided they were going to tow the US line come what may.

    Yes, once that was decided, there was nothing anybody could do. That decision to align with the US however was self-serving (self means Zia and co.) and disastrous for the future of Pakistan.
     
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    Inna lilahi wa inna ilahi rajioon.

    May Allah forgive his sins and grant him a place in Jannah. He was an emotional patriotic man, who never minced his words.

    Whether you agree with him or not but it is not beffitting to speak evil of a dead person. He will answer for his deeds in front of Allah now whether good or bad.
     
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    Mistakes were definitley made I dont think nobody can argue with that. Now what is the important point is that did Gen Hamid Gul cultivate a culture of extremism or did it get out of hand and come back to bite them. My guess is the latter which does show their lack of foresight but makes him less of a culprit.
     
  20. ASLI-PATHAN
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    You are missing the real culprit it is Gen, Musharraf not Zia, Hameed Gul or Gen. Akhtar Abdul Rehman. Their Afghan policy & Kashmir policy was well in their control. It was Musharraf who lost his marbles.
     
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    Musharaf did not cultivate these groups. Pakistan became a victim of them during his tenure when they declared the state as a kafirs.
     
  22. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Musharraf brought the War to Pakistan.
     
  23. Momo
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    This does not apply to public figures. Analysis of official policies can't be avoided on this principle. Sweeping under the rug mistakes by a person in a leadership position can only result in repetition of the same mistakes by his successors.
     
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    So it would have been all right had the war stayed out of Pakistan? This is precisely the thought on the part of the military regime that resulted in the mess we are in.

    You just can't keep snakes in the hope that they will only sting your enemies.
     
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    Snakes would have done nothing without the War coming to Pakistan. Why they remain dormant for almost 17 years after the disintegration of USSR?
     
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    I am not a fan of Musharraf either.

    Gen. Zia and co.'s Afghan and Kashmir policy may have been well in control but the war addicted 'mujahideen' were not. They were not a threat for us only as long as they were kept happy and 'busy'.
     
  27. ASLI-PATHAN
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    They were war addicted not by choice don't forget this. What will you do if your home is attacked by an outsider? Ofcourse you will fightback.
     
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    But the war DID come to Pakistan.

    They didn't remain dormant; they were creating a Caliphate in Afghanistan with help from Pakistan, and hence were 'busy'.
     
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    Was Pakistan attacked?
     
  30. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Yes but the war came to Pakistan not because of them. It came because of Musharraf who sold his soul for some dollars. There was security threat to Pakistan from their Western borders when the "Caliphate" was established from 1996 to 2001. Pakistan suffered when the master evil came into the region.
     
  31. ASLI-PATHAN
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    You would be fooling yourself if you think that USSR would have stopped at Torkham border once overrunning the Afghan resistance.
     
  32. Momo
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    As per the US propaganda the USSR would have taken over the whole world had Afghanistan fallen. So would have Iran, Iraq, Cuba, Vietnam and Korea at different times.

    The reality doesn't necessarily coincide with the US propaganda.
     
  33. ASLI-PATHAN
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    So as per your theory the most competent spy agency in the World devise their plans according to the US propaganda?
     
  34. Momo
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    They are not the only one to do so. The US is too successful to resist easily - has always been so.

    As for the 'most competent', it is like Queen Victoria announcing Victoria Cross for herself.
     
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    Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi rajioon
     
  36. ComradeVenom
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    There would have been a time where Pakistan eventually had to reign in the groups. The fact that they did not come in willingly when the state needed them to but decided to bite the hand that fed them was a huge strategic blunder by the ISI.

    The poison that was pumped into these groups to make them killing machines is so venomous that it is impossible to imagine a scenario where they would not have eventually attacked Pakistan.
     
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    I think there was also a fear of an internal communist insurgency taking place so they decided to take the ideology head on in Afghanistan.
     
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    with patriots like him you don't really need enemies. He is among the long list of pakistani patriots with a motto of " mainu dollar wika mera mood banay"..with the premier being of course the legend ziaulhaq himself.
     
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  39. Wistful Reminisces
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    No, he defended Pakistan from the Soviet threat, and helped our Muslim brothers fight on!
     
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    Damn. @Momo laying some serious wood!
     

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