Google to be banned in Pakistan if it doesn't clean up YouTube

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    Google to be banned in Pakistan if it doesn't clean up YouTube
    The country's new IT minister reportedly says the Web giant must remove "blasphemous and objectionable material" from its video sharing site, or face serious consequences.​
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    YouTube has been blocked by Pakistan for nine months.​
    With YouTube already shuttered in Pakistan, Google is now reportedly facing an all-out ban in that country, according to The Times of India.

    The country's new IT and telecommunication minister, Anusha Rahman Khan, announced that unless Google removes "blasphemous and objectionable material" from YouTube, the country will block access to all Google sites.

    "It all depends on our negotiation clout," Khan said, according to The Times of India. "If they persist with their stance, we can block Google in Pakistan as a last resort as there are many alternative search engines available on the Web."

    YouTube was originally blocked in Pakistan on September 17 after the Middle East erupted in protests in reaction to "Innocence of Muslims," a video on YouTube that depicts the prophet Muhammad as a buffoon.

    However, this wasn't the first time that Pakistan has blocked YouTube. The country previously sought to block access to YouTube videos in 2008 after a video criticizing Islam was posted.

    Pakistan has also banned other tech sites. In May 2012, the Pakistani government blocked access to Twitter over potential "blasphemous" caricatures of the prophet Muhammad. Two years earlier, the government temporarily pulled the plug on Facebook after a page popped up called "Post Drawings of the Prophet Mohammed Day."

    Khan said that she will end the 9-month-long YouTube ban if the video sharing site adds filters to its service in Pakistan.

    "Our ministry is responsible for policy decisions, so it's our job to ensure reopening of YouTube as soon as possible with thorough screening of objectionable material," Khan said, according to news agency Dawn. "We will pump in extra money if needed and do whatever is in our capacity to bring YouTube back to Pakistan without compromising our ethical values."

    However, Google does not have a filtered version of YouTube for Pakistan, as it does for many other countries, according to Pakistan's Daily Times.

    "We offer a localized version of YouTube in 49 countries around the world. In each localized country, we offer local content that is more relevant to users in that country and we also abide by that country's laws," Google Malaysia communications and public affairs head Zeffri Yusof told the Daily Times. "When we are notified that a video is illegal, we will restrict access to it in that country after a thorough review."

    According to the Daily Times, the main reason Pakistan doesn't yet have a localized version of YouTube is because it takes time to research local laws and reach out to local content creators.

    CNET contacted YouTube for comment. We'll update the story when we get more information.


    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57...ed-in-pakistan-if-it-doesnt-clean-up-youtube/


    Why threaten to go directly to banning the whole company when you can have a restrictive version of the site?
     
  2. Disco Lemonade
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    Yeah the moral IT police of Pakistan and Saudi. New IT minister? Got to ban something!! Idiots.
     
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    She probably wanted to get some publicity, what better way to get it than threaten to ban the most popular site in the world.
     
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    All android phones will become useless.
     
  5. Major
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    idiots... WE are the only country right now that has youtube banned.. The blasmephous material is just an excuse... Government is scared that through sites like Youtube, anti government videos are uploaded..
     
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    What Idiots. I have lots of important stuff on gmail.
     
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    Is this start of Khilafat that we all have been waiting for? This just shows how mentally retarded we have become when our IT minister is shouting the ban on google/youtube. I guess Google is crapping in his pants! This will teach a lesson to the evil called Google which has been used by millions of ppl around the world for educational purpose.
     
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    LOL wth.

    Idiots. Welcome to Roshan Pakistan.
     
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    Are these guys seriously mentally retarded?

    Its just to block the blasphemous content on Youtube like other countries have done.

    PPPP the so called free, open minded, liberal party did block YT, where are their blind retarded supporters now(not all)?
     
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    :fp

    Need to get an alternative for gmail
     
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    Really? Most importantly my contact info :)
     
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    Lol
     
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    Most Pakistanis living IN Pakistan think the ban is justified. Those who want to access Youtube from Pakistan are easily able to do so via proxies.

    In my personal opinion Google/Youtube simply do not care what the government of Pakistan thinks or demands of them. Simply there isn't anything to lose sleep over.

    By threatening to block all Google services within Pakistan Google has plenty to lose. Not only their Pakistani subscribers but friends/family members outside of Pakistan. Google doesn't make lot of money from Pakistan but it does make enough that they might strongly consider working on Pakistani version of Youtube.

    Last but not least Pakistan has over 120 million cell phone subscribers many of whom are switching to smart phones now or will be in the near future. Google would suffer if its android platform is hurt.

    Anyhow I think it is pretty idiotic Google/Youtube hasn't worked up a Pakistani version of their services but then again even worse Pakistan has failed to create their own firewall of some sorts.
     
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    Personally, I don't think Google will care.

    If it's only one country in the entire world that has a problem with something, chances are that country is overreacting rather than there being something actually wrong with the search engine itself.
     
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    Google won't care. Sure, it'll make Androids pretty much useless, but that won't be enough. Google has a policy, they will not break it. It's a stupid idea, and it'll ruin my email address, my uploaded files, my google chrome itself, my phone. Pretty much destroying life. It's just another way of completely blocking the internet. Most idiots probably don't even know any search engine other than google. With it banned, you may have blocked a lot of the population from searching about scandals, etc.

    Smart decision for the government, but not for the reasons given
     
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    I love gmail, that's an alternative to Google, who're spying on you :)
     
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    Talking about spying, you haven't visited :shh
     
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    My cousins haven't?
    Well, they're preparing for that Shaadi that's coming up :)
     
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    You're sending your cousins to spy on me :paranoid

    I just told my Mom and Nani NO for the Shaadi :rofl
     
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    You guys are weird, lol.
     
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    Please guys do NOT sell yourselves short!

    Pakistan has a HUGE base of internet/PC users along with 120 million cell phone subscribers. Like I mentioned earlier losing them means losing millions more who are going to do what other friends/family members are doing.

    Most developed/undeveloped countries have their own firewall and are able to block content at will. Pakistan on the other hand can't because the firewall hardly works and has to depend on the operators to block content.

    More importantly...most sites in the world have a policy in which hate/racist/offensive content is NOT allowed. Does it get any more offensive then this or some of the other videos available on Youtube which are worse. If Youtube thinks these videos fall under free speech?

    why doesn't screaming fire/bomb at the airport considered free speech? Anyway when millions of people find something offensive/hurtful the least you can do is filter such content out for that country.
     
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    We're being realistic here, not selling ourselves short

    What percentage is 120 million of total Google Users? Better yet, 120 millions cell phones do not mean 120 million users. Most Pakistanis have over one phone. Even disregarding this, cell phones that are Android phones won't be 10% of this number. And other than that, how many internet users do we have anyways? Then, there is the fact that tech-savvy users already use Ad-Blockers so Google hardly cares

    Also, no, it does not. Pakistan will ban gmail, but it can't ban emails originating from gmail, sent to another account. There are many more things, but those living outside won't sacrifice their google

    And whose fault is that? Google's or Pakistan's? Let's face it, we can easily block content if we want, but we don't. Just look at PTCL, certain torrents of huge sizes are blocked. If you can block torrents, how hard is it to ban some YT pages? Torrent locations keep changing, but despite that, PTCL has blocked most seeders. That's kind of impressive. Other than that, certain Tumblr/Facebook pages are banned. Impressive again.

    If they can do this, why can't they ban YT pages?


    It is offensive, but you can't block out the whole internet. There are many more offensive pages that are still unbanned. The same video is, I believe, also on Daily Motion. How come that is unbanned? After that is banned, will you then ban Vimeo. The approach you outline is not at all the approach you take when it comes to the WWW, since the governments aren't responsible for it, and servers won't cater to your every will.

    I could link you to more offensive blogs, and there are hundreds, if not thousands of them. Can you ban them all?

    Because that can be harmful to someone's lives. A stampede can cause much death and damage. As for the last point, we have no deal with Google and are unwilling to sign one.
     
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    Realistic? anything but realistic.

    Pakistan has 40 million internet users with 120 million subscribers [not phones]. Do you have any idea how many people use Google or Google services every day in Pakistan or the amount of money Google makes from Pakistan? No, you do not.

    Perhaps it has been a while you have been to Pakistan but internet is available everywhere and is pretty cheap as well specially for smart phones. People are moving to smart phones at an alarming rate. You need to look at web trends or internet trend charts to see how people are influenced by friends and family.

    End of the day none of this matters except there is offensive content which should be blocked but isn't being blocked simply because the company behind the site doesn't care.

    You do realize when you come across offensive/racist/hatred content on the internet. You can contact the web host and they will remove it. If they do not...you can go to the data center. If they do nothing you can contact the bandwidth provider and they will simply pull the plug or force the provider to remove the content within the US or Europe.

    You see internet is not owned by the US or Europe so why should you or I accept to be treated like a 2nd class citizen. While you might be concerned with a single video...there is more to this then that.

    Far as I am concerned. I am against any type of censorship and most countries do have some sort of firewall including the failed attempt by the US government to govern the internet in recent months. However it doesn't change the fact...some simple moral/ethical laws need to be upheld when the masses demand such a action.
     
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    Majority of Pakistanis Are Unhappy About YouTube Ban, They Blame Google For it: Survey
    Rozee Research recently did a survey to find out from the educated community of Pakistan as to how, if applicable, YouTube ban has affected them.
    Rozee.PK’s survey tried to dig out into which sub-sector, students vs. employed has been affected by the YouTube ban and in what ways. Are people happy with ban? do they perceive it as justified? Who do they blame, (Google, Government etc. ) and why? Has the business been affected (less revenue generation from ads), what alternatives have been in use, and whether this ban has really resulted in something beneficial for the people of Pakistan and of course the economy at large.
    More than 3000 people responded to this survey from across Pakistan and here are the results that were exclusively shared with ProPakistani for the readers:


    Highlights:

    • 30 percent respondents came to know of ban through digital media channels
    • 88 percent respondents used to access and use YouTube before ban, who don’t use YouTube anymore
    • 68 percent people think that they are unable to watch videos of their choice anymore
    • 30 percent people have shifted to alternate video service
    • Before ban, majority of users used to watch instructional and self-help videos (75%), while half of respondents said that they used to watch Islamic Lectures (52%) while 69% said that they used to watch movie trailers and songs
    • After the ban, 40 percent respondents have unfavourable opinion about Google, before ban this ratio was mere 6 percent
    • 62 percent respondents said that Google is being unreasonable for not removing the anti-Islam videos which irked the ban
    • 48 percent respondents believe that Google is the real culprit for getting YouTube banned
    • 29 percent believed that Government of Pakistan hasn’t lodged a formal request to YouTube
    • 27 percent think that neither Google nor Government of Pakistan is interesting in opening YouTube
    • 46 percent respondents were unhappy about the ban, 43 percent were okay with the ban
    Why YouTube is Banned?

    Surprisingly 95% of the respondents who took the survey knew the answer to that one. The rest either didn’t know (3%) or thought it’s because of bandwidth issues (0.6%) or pornographic content on YouTube (0.7%).
     
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    Do you?
    http://propakistani.pk/2012/09/11/google-earns-500-million-pakistan/

    500 million out of a total revenue of 93.80 billion

    Yes, I'm sure they care so much. By the way, we have 22 million internet users, nice try though :)


    I live here. Yes, we have net, but most people either go to their favorite sites or just search stuff. Apart from Google, Yahoo and Bing is popular here, because many, many people just use Internet Explorer


    We can contact it, and they can CHOOSE to remove it. Again, there is a big standard for racist. The KKK website is still not banned. Hardly going to argue that's not racist, are we?

    Internet isn't owned by them, Google is owned by those who own google and they have the right to what they want.

    I am against Censorship too, this is not for the people, it's too hide their own shortcomings. Pakistan can easily block those pages, I have shown examples of PTCL banning so many pages. They have banned a site that criticises PTCL, so it's not impossible
     
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    No, Pakistan has lot more then 22 million internet users. Your looking at statistics from 2008-9.

    We are going around in circles. Google is a public company who also happens to be one of the biggest carriers/own their own network of backbone fiber.

    Anyways I think your better of searching to see how many countries firewall content. As for PTCL. Yes, they are able to block content and other providers are able to block some content as well. This is pretty much done manually and doesn't always work.

    Why should these companies be doing the work Youtube should be doing? It is Youtube and Google which make money from these users for viewing their site not PTCL or other providers in Pakistan.
     
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    I guess we are going in Circles. Whatever be the number of users, Google will not change its policy for Pakistan. It didn't do it for China, it won't do it for us. It is Google's wish what they want to do, and if we have a problem, we shouldn't use it. The government shouldn't decide what sites I want to visit
     
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    Just to set the record straight. Google did lot more then just filter content for China.

    The only reason Google left after couple of years was due to the fact no one used Google services and they decided to shut down their operations in China. You need to look at search engine and other site statistics from countries like China, Russia to understand unlike Pakistan many countries have home grown sites taking lead...
     
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    And those countires also have some great home grown sites. Pakistan doesn't have one alternative to google (Which is home made)
     
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    ^that's what he is saying, Google shut down from China simply because Google was not their default search engine neither was YouTube their most popular video streaming Site.

    On the other hand every single interne user of Pakistan by default uses Google as their search engine and YouTube is by the far the most popular video streaming website. Daily motion and some local sites are catching up but still far behind in content.

    The problem with Pakistan is Feather while our government is conservative and it's supporters as well but the IT bigwigs of Pakistan are not in sync with them. They don't support moral policing, these are the guys who can actually negotiate with the likes of Google. Badar khushnood is the guy to handles Google operations in Pakistan and is pretty close with the P@SHA peeps. It doesn't help that the IT team of Pakistan government is picked on parchi so u must understand their caliber. Recently Pakistan used a freelance teenager's help for blocking inappropriate websites. He made a list of websites to block, they ended up blocking some shoes websites as well.
     
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    And that's also a big reason to not shut it down. What will the Awaam use? It's just a way of censorship
     
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    Hain, we are not discussing to shut it down but to negotiate with Google on some terms. We have their users, we are a huge market for them, they will be the first one to sit on the table.
     
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    Again, we have users that depend on google, but they are not a high proportion of total Google users? Just see the revenue comparision, 500 million to some 93.8 billion
     
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    Companies like google knows the importance of loosing those 500 million in a minute. And its not only people using google as a search engine or email services, Pakistan have a huge web dev community which uses google checkout, google adsense and also most recently, contributing alot on google android market app development. We are not the biggest but we are sizeable enough to make it work in our favor a little bit. The problem is we dont have good enough people in our government teams, and the outsiders are not in sync with the saudia type moral policing of the internet.
     
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    It's 500 million dollars
     

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