Governing body the ICC "a joke" over the rules: Scott Styris

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    Former Black Cap Scott Styris labelled governing body the ICC "a joke" over the rules but congratulated both teams on a stunning effort.

    Former New Zealand captain Stephen Fleming's one-word reaction to the result was "cruel", while even the father of England's Kiwi-born match-winner Ben Stokes felt the Kiwis were hard done by.

    Gerard Stokes, a former New Zealand rugby league international who took his son to England as a boy while he pursued his career, said honours were even.

    "It's a shame there has to be a loser," he told the New Zealand Herald.

    "They could have shared the trophy but that doesn't seem to be how things are done these days."

    News website stuff.co.nz said New Zealand had been denied by the fine print.

    "England did not win the Cricket World Cup final and the Black Caps did not lose it," an editorial said.

    "But the tournament had to have a winner, somehow. And in the end, what was perhaps the most dramatic ODI ever played, was decided by a curious, contentious fine-print rule."

    It was a theme echoed by Sam Flynn Scott from pop culture website The Spinofff's cricket podcast.

    "Did we lose the game? It seems like it was tied and then it was tied again, then there was just some stupid rule about who wins the World Cup," he said.

    "It should have been who took the most wickets (which would have given New Zealand victory)."

    Former New Zealand bowler Daniel Vettori said it "feels unfortunate" the final was decided on boundaries scored but the Black Caps had to accept the rules.

    He said the match also turned on several key moments, including a freak fielding deflection off Stokes' bat that raced to the boundary and a missed opportunity for Trent Boult to catch the England batsman on the boundary.

    "It's going to be remembered for so many little moments and unfortunately all those little moments probably went against New Zealand," he told ESPN.

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    I really feel for Kiwi's, they were robbed literally. Where is Ian Botham now?
     
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    Robbed? Did the ICC go in and change the rules in the middle of the match?
     
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    This is not the question, question is, are the over throw rules fair?

    People are already questioning it.
     
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    Yes robbed. That overthrow was 5 runs not 6. NZ won the game in the 50 overs.
     
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    Funny how it was expected that the winner would be crowned rightly so based on the fact everyone plays each other etc.

    The result and the reaction shows its anything but the case.

    Firstly NZ, were they even meant to be in the final? Losing steam in the last 3rd of group stage and have 3 very close games go their way. Eventually getting through on NRR.

    Then England getting a win vs India who didn't even try to win in the end meaning they got out of jail.

    So many washouts. Pakistan dropping a certain point vs SL and a key clash between India and NZ rained off with both sharing a point rather than a team losing 1.

    Then in the end all the controversy with over throw and winning based on no. of boundaries.

    Such a great world cup its been. So much talk and fun.
     
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    First off I have to say this match was by far the best match I have ever seen in an final. Both teams fought very hard till the end. As a neutral I was at the edge of my seat. I have no idea how either of the nations felt while watching this game. But I know not stress free.

    With that said this World Cup final ended poorly. The team that took 10 wickets should have won. New Zealand you gave a good fight. This was your final. Unfortunately it was not ment to be. Thank you for giving us a game to remember. I really hope you win one soon.
     
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    I think it's an unfair rule. But once the tournament starts and all teams have agreed to the playing conditions, the rules are the rules.

    That was the last ball of the innings? No. Adil Rashid would have been on strike with 4 runs needed off 2 balls.
     
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    Rules are rules, fair enough, but I reckon nobody expected it happened in last over to cause NZ the final.

    Going forward such rules need to be rectified, becs its unfair.
     
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    it’s absolutely bonkers though. World cup final at lords. Tons of cameras and technology. 3 umpires and match referee.. and still they all missed that basic error of 5 runs.

    Sometimes when ur too nice in life u miss out on things. Kane Williamson didn’t even bother speaking to umpires about it, it could have delayed things and umpires could have double checked upstairs. Kane’s gentleman approach ultimately perhaps cost his side the World Cup
     
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    That was the 3rd last ball of the match.
     
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    I mean this wasn’t some county game or something... World Cup Final the pinnacle of cricket and they messed it up
     
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    I bet u if it was aus or India or even pak they would have gone crazy at umpire
     
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    Right, so Adil Rashid would have been on strike with 4 runs needed off 2 balls. Who knows what would have happened.
     
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    It's unfortunate but true. At the time the umpires weren't 100% sure and imo it was a rushed decision. England we're the best side over the last 4 years so we can't say it's not deserved but we're they the best team of the tournament ? , I am not so sure.
     
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    I was surprised why that overthrow incident was so rushed. Usually umpires get together over anything. Williamson had to talk to the umpires there. They had to review that properly.
     
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    Right or Wrong decisions by umpires cannot and should not be turned over. This is all part of game, so England is new champion.
    The only thing should be done is to prevent this happening again.
     
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    There is one certainty in cricket. If you are bowled out, you are bowled out. End of. You cannot bat anymore!

    England shouldn’t have even be allowed to bat the super over - giving NZ victory.

    At the very least there should be some reward for bowling the opposition out.

    Most boundaries is the most juvenile rule ever. Imagine if it came down to wickets - who got the most bowled wickets - I actually prefer that because selfishly I like watching stumps flying! But I wouldn’t advocate it as a rule. It’s like a kid who likes watching boundaries made it up.

    And what are the implications of england hitting more boundaries? England won on the basis they faced more dot balls! Is that something to promote?

    Cricket is simple - make runs and take wickets. It shouldn’t matter how they come.

    1. Who scored the most runs. Both
    2. Who took the most wickets. New Zealand

    Winners. NZ!

    It’s not rocket science!
     

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