If given chance, I’ll deliver: Shahzad

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  1. Ahson8
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    Because he doesn't. Babar's first 50 came off 61 deliveries; he slowed down after and that was because of wickets falling around him.
     
  2. Alchemy
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    I pointed out the similar playing style and defeciences. If you have an argument that proves it wrong then go ahead.
     
  3. Don Duckman
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    Are we going to look up Shehzad's SR over single innings in his career now? What about that century vs NZ 6 years ago, what was his SR? Maybe it proves he is agressive after all. The guy has a career strike rate of 70, on his comeback series he is scoring at 70, the logical conclusion here is that he hasn't changed.
     
  4. Ahson8
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    Even if we accept that was a good innings, one 'aggressive' innings doesn't make him suitable for ODIs
     
  5. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Babar played superbly well in last game! It was important to stay at the wicket with wickets falling at other end!
     
  6. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Having said that, its important to see whats happening with the new ball early on as an opener and you cant take risk straightaway as an opener as you just dont know what the conditions are offering!! I would support both Shahzad and Babar!!
     
  7. Ahson8
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    Fair POV but I think it's alright adopting a horses for courses strategy atleast as a stopgap.
     
  8. Don Duckman
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    You would be hard pressed to make this argument given that Shehzad faces almost 2x more dot balls than Babar.
     
  9. Del
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    @Alchemy @Ahson8

    It's true that very much both Ahmed and Babar are similar when it comes to playing style. However, there are three reasons why Babar has been preferred, which are:

    1. His first 30/35 runs.
    2. His conversation rate is better.
    3. Of course he's younger than former.

    For instance, in first game, for his first 32 runs, Ahmed consumed 37 balls, 25 dot balls, (5x4), (he was dropped when he was on 2, so was lucky).

    He failed to convert his 50+ score into triple figures and also didn't make up for his slow start (for his first 30/35 run as illustrated above), and above all, didn't push and made vital runs to push team's total.

    On contrary, Babar was in the middle in 5th over, so almost as opener. His first 30/35 runs came on 40 balls, wherein 20 were dot and (3x4).

    Babar is clearly holding an edge, because he puts price on this wicket, usually make up for his slow starts, doesn't bog down and rotate strike and doesn't kill the momentum on the innings.

    What I like about his last innings is the way he accelerated in the end and pushed a 230ish total to 282, of course with the help of Imad and Safu.

    For Ahmed to become regular feature in the limited over side, he needs to improve his first 30/35 runs and then don't throw it away after 50, because he only makes up for his slow starts if he reaches 80+.
     
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  10. Don Quixote
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    Guy has the potential, but not the courage. He seems scared in the start of his innings. Plays over cautiously, as if a failure would end his career. He should learn from Kane Williamson, despite his limitations, he tries to score off almost every ball, even in Test cricket.

    Babar Azam's batting is so beautiful to watch, one of the best free flowing LOI batsman we have ever produced, despite him not having a power hitter reputation, still he is never boring to watch.
     
  11. zkhan427
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    Babar definitely has room for improvement but 1. he's scoring for us and at a decent rate.
    and 2. he's just started his intl career.
     
  12. Rhythm
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    One guy is averaging 56 at 90+, the other 33 at 73. Lol, what kind of joke comparison is this?

    @Alchemy is a blind fangirl who should be totally ignored. Ahmed is her last hope after every player she's backed has failed.

    This is the same poster that used to call Steve Smith a hack making herself look like an idiot.
     
  13. Alchemy
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    Good. Sound post. Agree.
     
  14. Alchemy
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    Yes, atm Babar is doing better, no doubt. Agree. Always have called him as one of the top 2 bats we have.
     
  15. Alchemy
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    Why dont you just stick to your pom poms and stop trying to disgrace yourself more by trying to undermine someone by calling them "her". Get out of your small minded mentality. Why do you have to expose yourself, unofficial cheerleader of Waqar, Wahab and Rahat Ali.
     
  16. Rhythm
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    Oh, that stung!

    Steven Smith, what a hack. HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Stick to drawing pictures of Shehzad. Cricket ain't for you.
     
  17. Alchemy
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    Drawing pictures of Shehzad? You seem to have some fantasies dug up down there. Easy there, cowboy. Pom poms only take you that far.
     
  18. Rhythm
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    So, did you get Shehzad's number when you interviewed him? How was it being so close to him? Girl, you must've been feeling hot!
     
  19. Alchemy
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    The only thing thats getting hot right now is your head which happens to be as empty as they come. Relax, have a glass of water.
     
  20. Don Corleone
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    Please, let it go.

    This guy is Misbah lite, except he scores even less runs.

    He absolutely sucks and is the prime example of everything wrong with the Pakistan ODI team stuck in the 80s.

    Worst of all, he believes he is some superstar. Take your monobrow back to Lahore and do some modeling instead. Just leave the ODI team.
     
  21. Rhythm
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    Aww, she's blushing. How cute.

    Okay, I won't talk about that cutie anymore. But seriously, does he look the same in real life? OMG! So hot! That chest hair! :kiss :kiss
     
  22. Don Corleone
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    You cannot complain about others being fanboys or complain about Misbah or players that play slowly when you support this guy.

    Go and look yourself in the mirror.
     
  23. Alchemy
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    You are seriously embarrassing yourself in the bid to one up me. I suggest you stop making a mockery of yourself.
     
  24. Rhythm
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    She's a blind fangirl. It doesn't matter what anyone says, she'll respond with the same garbage.
     
  25. Rhythm
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    Omg, Shehzad is the best! I love him! Top 2 batsman in Pakistan! With an average of 33 and strike rate of 73!

    Shataap, you loser. No one takes your bakwas seriously.
     
  26. s_h_a_f
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    The irony
     
  27. Donal Cozzie
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    End of the day his problem before being dropped was huge amounts of dot balls. In the first ODI his first 24 balls had 19 dots for about 12 runs or something. Shows absolutely nothing has changed. He gets a fifty plus score but it takes too many deliveries to reach that mark. When he doesn't even get to 50 he'll have innings of 20 (39) or 5(15). No improvement. People relentlessly bashed Azhar Ali yet Shehzad is just a slightly inferior version of Azhar lol.

    And in t20's he's always sucked. His fifty came in a chase of 120, in international t20's that ain't gonna be the norm when you can play in and go at a run a ball. In 4 t20's he got 4(2), 13(13), 53(45) and 14(15)

    Three of those innings were complete crap, 1 was good in the context of the game but again, won't have it so easy very often.

    So we can conclude so far that

    t20's - bad performance
    ODI's - average as of now, if he fails last game it'll also go down as bad.

    So in short he seems to have learned nothing.

    Don't know what double standards and such people are referring to also? Azhar Ali actually started off his tenure well and still got bashed, then after failing abroad was rightfully dropped. By every metric he's outperformed Shehzad (averages more at a better SR) yet Shehzad is the victim?
     
  28. Del
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    Thank you :).
     
  29. Cric_life777
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    we must give the chance to the ahmad shahzad
     
  30. Energy
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    No matter how long he plays 2 years or 20 years he will end up as a mediocre 33 avg. 70 SR player.

    It is up to the PCB, whether they are content with this or not.
     
  31. Mamoon
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    Babar is far better than Shehzad in every aspect. Always was and always will be. However, we don't have better options than Shehzad and Kamran for now.
     
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    what is e reason of the don Duckman fire
     
  33. Don Quixote
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    @Rhythm Calm down, or I will call Rahat Ali :D
     
  34. Ahson8
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    So what exactly are we gaining by replacing Azhar with Shehzad ?

    Azhar Ali in ODIs: Average 38.21, Strike Rate 75.00, Dot %age 53.59

    Ahmed Shehzad in ODIs: Average 33.97, Strike Rate 72.75, Dot %age 59.92
     
  35. s_h_a_f
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    Apparently Azhar & Umar will be recalled for CT 17!!
     
  36. Shaz130
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    Shehzad is better than Don Bradman when he gets going.
     
  37. Ahson8
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    Should be far far away from LOI sides.

    I hope it is clear to @Alchemy now why there is no comparison between Shehzad & Babar
     
  38. Express Pace
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    Babar is a million times better, I can't even believe they have been compared.
     
  39. Shaz130
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    What a player this guy is. His way of getting out is classy.
     
  40. Karachi-King
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    its always funny to see shehzad fans take pot shots at babar azam but spare shehzad
     

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