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Indian Soldiers Killed in Clash with Chinese

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  1. Mohsin
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    Mohsin Sultan of Swing

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    Not sure if there is a term limit in india but if not, hope Modi wins the next elections too, with a bigger majority lol

     
  2. Choi Saab
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    By all accounts, India have lost around 40-60 square KM territory to China and possibly the strategic Galwan heights, since India is now claiming 'there soliders slipped' which wouldn't have happened if their 'fight' was in the Galwan valley rather.

    Personally, no sympathy for India, call me whatever you want, I don't care, I hope more of their soliders die and know what it feels like when they in cold blood murder innocent Kashmiri's.

    Same for the Chinese side as well, hope both sides cause serious damage to each other.

    But from a foreign policy perspective for Pakistan, this situation really couldn't get any better, India off the table in Afghanistan, China seizing Indian territories and killing their soliders, Nepal claiming Indian territory and recently shooting at Indian civilians as well, never has India experienced this.

    3 hot borders, not party to one of the biggest peace processes where each party will be carving out significant influence, wonder where the whole '56inch chest' and 'ghar mu ghus ke marey gey' wala speeches are lol.

    P.S - Time for India to now find out how unreliable and pathetic a 'ally' the USA really is.
     
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  3. Choi Saab
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    Wonder how the 'isolate Pakistan' strategy is working out lol, clearly Indian strategist didn't know the relevance of being strategically placed in the region, as is Pakistan, when they came up with such a bone dead theory.
     
  4. Mohsin
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    Btw putting it out there, I derive no happiness from the death of the soldiers. They are doing their thing for their country and (more so) also have mothers/families.
     
  5. Choi Saab
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    Do you believe they even think about innocent Kashmiri families for one second, when they rape, pillage, plunder, murder them. Tie them up in front of their jeeps. Use pellet guns to blind young Kashmiri. Impose constant draconian curfews. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    No sympathy whatsoever.

    Same with the PLA as well.

    P.S (I'm ranting, not questioning you).
     
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  7. Choi Saab
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    One of the world's most coward fighting force, the Indian army.

    They will do anything to get over the embarrassment and will divert attention to Pakistan, hopefully the civilian and military leadership are awake to this threat.
     
  8. Mercenary
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    Soldiers are just following orders. Unless they are committing atrocities, I don't particularly have hate for any specific set of soldiers. Most of them are from poor families and are told a load of lies about their 'enemies' and then sent out their to lose their lives by politicians who couldn't care less about them.

    If India is going to take on China then India is going to lose. Modi has backed himself into a corner, hopefully he realises there is still time for him to back off and seek a more peaceful solution.
     
  9. PakistanZindabad!
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    PakistanZindabad! Cornered Tiger

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    This is why I have no sympathy for the Indian army
    Every country’s soldiers think they are in a noble cause but idk how this is justified
     
  10. Patriot
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    Patriot Kaptaan

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    yes Soldiers are told to rape girls and kill little children
     
  11. Express Pace
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    Express Pace Cornered Tiger

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    That is usually part of the training to psychology damage the opposition.
     
  12. Choi Saab
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-53061476?__twitter_impression=true

    At least 20 Indian soldiers were killed in a clash with Chinese forces in Ladakh in the disputed Kashmir region, Indian officials say.

    The incident follows rising tensions, and is the first deadly clash in the border area in at least 45 years.

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    Seems to be a lot more serious than initially reported, wonder why the Chinese are not releasing their figures, they will surely have also suffered casualties.

    By all accounts, there was some soliders with gunshot wounds, which is strange, they don't equip themselves with weapons on LAC.

    Don't think there will be a war in any capacity, neither side can afford one and keep in mind there trade volume is high, but it is going to be seriously difficult to de-escalate the situation after what is a high number of casualties.

    The Chinese look to be cementing themselves for the long term here. Wonder what '56 inch wala' is doing, nothing on twitter where he seems to run his government usually.
     
  13. Choi Saab
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    Just winds me up how Kashmir is always a flashpoint for these 3 countries yet none of them will ever come to the table to actually let the Kashmiri people make their own decision.

    Unfortunately this status quo will exist, the land itself is not important, but the Kashmiri people need respite and prosperity.
     
  14. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    20 Indian soldiers reported dead in yesterday's clash. This skirmish can lead to something bigger. Modi is a real fool taking on China.
     
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    https://www.news18.com/amp/news/ind...vivors-2673347.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Furious hand-to-hand fighting raged across the Galwan river valley for over eight hours on Monday night, as People’s Liberation Army assault teams armed with iron rods as well as batons wrapped in barbed wire hunted down and slaughtered troops of the 16 Bihar Regiment, a senior government official familiar with the debriefing of survivors at hospitals in Leh has told News18

    “Even unarmed men who fled into the hillsides were hunted down and killed,” one officer said. “The dead include men who jumped into the Galwan river in a desperate effort to escape.”

    Government sources say at least another two dozen soldiers are battling life-threatening injuries, and over 110 have needed treatment. “The toll will likely go up,” a military officer with knowledge of the issue said.

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    Bloody hell, they all literally beat each other to death, that is brutal and escalation I doubt anyone would have imagined on the India/China border ever heck even the LOC forget the LAC.

    The situation for India is grim, even if the claim that they killed 43 Chinese soliders is correct, then it doesn't make a difference, they have most likely lost Galwan heights and the Chinese will always be in a position to intercept the strategic DBO road that India was building, India don't really have a military option here.

    Not to mention a precedent has been set unfortunately for India whereby they will lose territory and not fight back.

    The dream of fighting a 2 front war has been lost for India unless they can via diplomatic and political means get the Chinese to step back which I don't see happening in all honesty.

    The USA has continued to prove it is the most unreliable 'ally' that exists, they are only there for when the purpose serves them and now after Pakistan, time for India to learn that lesson.
     
  16. Mohsin
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    'if instigated'...

    What is losing 20odd soldiers (and thats officially, meaning the number will be higher) and having x amount of soldiers held by the Chinese?

     
  17. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    LOL the Chinese really thrashed the Indians in hand to hand fight.
     
  18. Express Pace
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    Express Pace Cornered Tiger

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    Looks like he will do nothing. Paper tiger.
     
  19. Choi Saab
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    1) Lost approx 60 square KM territory.
    2) Minimum 23 troops dead.
    3) Troops held prisoners.
    4) Northern Command has basically been neutralized.
    5) Strategic DBO road is being overlooked by a large enemy presence.

    Yet he is still waiting on 'instigation' lol.
     
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    As EP said, it's one of the many dirty tactics used in wars. During WWII pornographic material was dropped by both sides to demoralise soldiers at the front. And rape has been used as a strategy. Sometimes explicitly but more often it is allowed and overlooked in order to break the spirit of the 'enemy' and encourage surrender.

    https://www.un.org/sexualviolencein...ce/wood-PS-2018-rape-as-a-practice-of-war.pdf

    https://nationalpost.com/news/world...-german-women-after-second-world-war-research
     
  21. Mohsin
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    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
     
  22. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    I wonder what happened to "Ghuss k maarengey" slogan?
    Right know the the Indian govt is acting like a pregnant female donkey about to be attacked by a hungry lion.
     
  23. Patriot
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    then why are people here sympathizing with soldiers....I dont get their mindset
     
  24. Mohsin
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    Mohsin Sultan of Swing

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    Im confused...
     
  25. Mohan
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    Mohan Formerly 'Captain Clutch'

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    What should he do then? Let them encroach on our territory?
     
  26. Mohan
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    Mohan Formerly 'Captain Clutch'

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    Chinese are not letting anyone know how many soldiers they lost, but they brought helicopters to pick up dead bodies. Their casualty is atleast a 100. That is not exactly a thrashing to the Indians, is it?
     
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    You need to try a lot harder.

    It will only take us a couple of air strikes to cleanse the entire valley of all the Hisbul and Jaish cockroaches. The single reason that has not happened yet is because there are civilians living amongst them.
     
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    Yeah as if mass murder, blinding the youth, raping, pillaging the people isn't enough.

    What has stopped you from bombing the valley? I'll tell you because, you can't carpet bomb a whole region, people can easily hide underground/ in the mountain, take shelter within mainland India, fortunately as disgusting as the Indian military is, there strategic planners have some kind of a brain kind of you.

    Also how can you complain about people celebrating Indian solider deaths (which didn't happen, I said 'I don't care' 'I hope more die'), yet essentially stating we can basically commit a genocide but won't.
     
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    They already have and are staying in your territory.

    100? Your media is claiming 43? Chinese have admitted casualties and for some strange reason, not stating how many.

    So let me get this right? Is the deaths some kind of numbers game for you?

    You have lost 40-60 Square KM, you have lost the Galwan heights, the strategic DBO is now overlooked by a enemy military, your Northern command has no military options now in the event of a '2 front war' which the Indian military has been billing up for years, you are having to lessen your force from the Pakistan border leaving you susceptible to further weak point on LOC itself - how many Chinese you kill is irrelevant.
     
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    Man either put an effort to make sense or don't post. My reply was to AP who was saying Indians took a thrashing.

    Chinese have not fought a war for decades, they are not battle hardened. I can bet my house and more on the fact that they cannot afford a war with us.
     
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    By the way @Choi Saab, please stop lecturing me on genocides.

    I don't need to learn about genocide from a Pakistani of all people, whose army raped and murdered 3 million Bengalis in 1971. That was the world's biggest genocide by quite some distance.
     
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    What effort? You're desperate now lol.

    Yes of course, you clearly have no understanding of the situation.

    Is 'battle hardened' killing a bunch of villagers, raping their women and blinding local youth? If so, don't worry the Chinese are just as battle hardened as the Indian army in that respect.

    And ....

    Have you seen me justify that?

    Although the numbers are exaggerated, it was not right in any capacity and the hate some Bengali's feel towards Pakistan, is justified.

    Although in case you didn't notice, you were the one that just essentially said you can commit a genocide but won't not me lol. Unlike you I ain't a hypocrite.
     
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    So? Laet jayen?

    Today it's 40 sq km, if we don't put up resistance then we will keep losing land to them everyday.

    China is a global bully. They have threatened UK too. Putting up a fight against a bully cannot be a senseless thing to do.
     
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    You have though!

    You took down one tent and they attacked your military, you have not even regained one inch of your territory back.

    Your army and government has clearly set a precedent here with the Chinese who have got what they wanted.
     
  35. Mohan
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    Killing terrorists is genocide? I clearly mentioned Hisbul and Jaish.

    Are you acting dumb on purpose?
     
  36. ASLI-PATHAN
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    And Indian Army is battle hardened. Tell me with what will Indian Army fight? With guns of 1960's?

    Chinese military is far superior to Indian Army and their weapons are much more advanced. No chance for India in case of a War.

    Even Nepalis are thrashing your Army now.
     
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    Acchha? Bhai saab they are not disclosing their casualty count.

    How does a superior army end up losing more personnel than it's weaker opponent? Please enlighten me.
     
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    How do you know who is a 'terrorist'? Since you majority of time your army kills civilians anyways. You implied what your army is capable off, which says it all.

    Why the need to get personal? You always make off the cuff remarks like 'are you dumb', you need to tone down a bit otherwise you won't appreciate it if I snap back, you did the same in that Darren Sammy thread as well, even there I kept my cool but like I said, take a step back.

    You have to realise not everyone think 'mera bharat mahaan' and learn to take criticism, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, don't you constantly sprout rubbish in the Imran Khan thread, even when you have been rebutted so I don't understand when, if others take your criticism, why it is so difficult for you to do so.
     
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    Is this 100 Chinese personnel figure, the same as the 350 terrorist (trees) that were 'killed' in Balakot?
     
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    @Choi Saab I don't think calling someone dumb is getting personal, but if you felt so then I apologize. I have been called a Pajeet on this forum.

    And everything that you do not want to hear is not exactly rubbish. Most things I posted on the Imran thread are pointing out his contradictions or hypocrisy.
     

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