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Indian Soldiers Killed in Clash with Chinese

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  1. Mohsin
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    Mohsin Sultan of Swing

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    Also people within india are up in arms over the use of danday during all of this...how were 100 Chinese personnel killed?
     
  2. Mohan
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    Yeah maybe that is why that entire area where those trees fell was completely sealed for 43 days. Hope them trees are resting in peace.
     
  3. PakistanZindabad!
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    Find a source not from India which confirms that India killed that militants.
     
  4. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    "Your territory" ?

    But the Chinese say, it's "Our territory".

    And Nepal also says, it's "Our territory".

    How to decide whose territory is this when no one is ready to give up?
     
  5. Mohsin
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    Really?

    'Analysis of open-source satellite imagery has also cast doubt on India’s claims. A report by the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab was able to geolocate the site of the attack and provide a preliminary damage assessment.

    It compared satellite images from the days before and after India’s strike and concluded there were only impacts in the wooded areas with no damage visible to surrounding structures. “Open source evidence suggested that the strike was unsuccessful,” said Michael Sheldon, a research associate with the group.

    Separate satellite analysis by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute also concluded the that there was no evidence of damage to the hilltop facility that India claimed to have struck.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...w-conflicting-accounts-benefit-india-pakistan

    I could have also posted the Washington Post article that says pretty much the same and the BBC article re the visits by journalists who were treated to the sight of a couple of craters and 10odd felled trees.
     
  6. Mohan
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    What Guardian or BBC or WP say means zilch when no reporter was allowed there for six weeks after the strike. The area was sealed. Did you even read my post?

    And your PM himself admitted it happened, so try harder please - "Azad Kashmir mei inhone Pulwama ke baad Balakot mei jo action liya, uss se zyada khaufnaak plan banaya hua hai".

    https://m.facebook.com/108934139770088/videos/483986915721609/

    Yes only trees fell LOL.
     
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ten-indian-soldiers-after-border-clash-report


    China has freed 10 Indian soldiers seized in a high-altitude border clash in the Himalayas which left at least 20 Indian soldiers dead, media reports said on Friday.

    The release follows several rounds of talks between the two sides in a bid to ease tensions after the battle on Monday, in which scores of troops from the two sides fought with nail-studded batons and hurled rocks at each other.

    The 10 soldiers were freed late on Thursday, the Press Trust of India news agency and other media reported.
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    Hmmm, wonder if there is more prisoners with China at the moment.

    This has been utterly humiliating for the Indian army.

    Whilst the public raves about 'Boycott China' and has dreams about the so called 'surgical strikes', the Indian army continues to lose territory and men.

    Damning stuff.
     
  8. Mohsin
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    Riiight. Not sure whether you are just struggling to what.

    Again...

    'It compared satellite images from the days before and after India’s strike and concluded there were only impacts in the wooded areas with no damage visible to surrounding structures. “Open source evidence suggested that the strike was unsuccessful,” said Michael Sheldon, a research associate with the group.

    Separate satellite analysis by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute also concluded the that there was no evidence of damage to the hilltop facility that India claimed to have struck.'

    I mean, who to believe...independent sources or Republic TV over here. As for the video you posted...Balakot main jo action lia tha...well yeh, the load your planes dropped, hitting a few trees and creating 2 craters. No one is disputing the fact your planes came (much like no one is disputing what happened afterwards with Mr Abinandhan, unless everyone over there thinks he was actually an ISI actor), so...
     
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    Now what INDEPENDENT SOURCES/EVIDENCE say means zilch lmao

    Should use that argument in court some day
     
  10. Mohan
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    Well anything that's reported by BBC or Guardian does not get written in stone. Learn to question.

    But I guess that's too much to expect from folks buying the chooran Ghafoora sells.

    Even unheard of Indian media houses like News X and Wion report and debate based on video evidences. So much for your INDEPENDENT sources.

    And Imran termed the Balakot strikes as "khaufnaak". Since when is dropping bombs resulting in just a couple of craters so frightening?

    Try harder.
     
  11. PakistanZindabad!
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    Foreign forces coming into your territory with the intention of dropping bombs isn’t alarming? Is it only khaufnaak when people actually die?

    If a robber enters your house then decides last second he won’t steal anything then you’ll tell your family pareshaan na ho he decided not to steal anything in the end

    Also if this isn’t a worrying event then why was China entering your territory so worrying that Modi has to give a reply
     
  12. Mohan
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    China denies detaining Indian soldiers after reports say 10 freed

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ays-ladakh-clash-reports-200619033527314.html
     
  13. Mohan
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    You really think that is what "khaufnaak action" means? Ok then. :D

    Let's stick to the thread topic though.
     
  14. PakistanZindabad!
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    So answer the question then?
     
  15. Mohsin
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    Its not even about the sources...the satellite images are enough l, if you dont want to believe MULTIPLE international independent sources.

    Fact is, international, neutral, reputable media outlets are way more reliable than what indian media says. The satellite images confirm. Media presence confirms. Multiple sources confirm.

    But no, ALL that is wrong and what you and indian media says is right. What the india Afwaj (who couldn't even provide proper evidence of the strike btw) are right. The independent source or the biased source...I know what I was taught in year 7 history in high school. I know what would be given greater weight in a court of law.

    Btw AlJazeera story you posted set in stone now. At least be consistent.
     
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    He can't. For him, biased sources>>>independent sources (unless of course that source talks about the release of indian soldiers, then they suddenly Halal). Also, we should believe 350 people were killed (DESPITE the satellite images, the independent sources) because of the use of a word :fp

    Some people see a spider and for them its khaufnaak...does that mean they were bitten?
     
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    I know lol earlier this thread the territory of a nation was worth soldiers dying over, now @Mohan thinks that soldiers entering with the intention of bombing wouldn’t be khaufnaak
    It’s a case of jumping through hoops to justify ones opinion
     
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    the optics always look bad for india in the end lol.

    I dont want to give credit to immy here, but i remember when modi annexxed india and imran said "now i feel kashmir (occupied) will really be liberated" with a grin on his face. There was a reason why India didnt annexxed kashmir for so long. These dimwits of modi didnt really think this through and has opened up a third front in that area for no reason.
     
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    Hmmm.

    Definitely something fishy going on, a lot of reliable outlets reports the 10 Indian soliders being released, this is probably China helping India save face now.

    First leak it then deny it - China are well and truly embarrassing India here.
     
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    Lmao man stop, we all know how credible the Indian media is. I really hope you don't actually believe what you just wrote.

    "Report and debate based on video evidences" rofl.

     
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    'Latest satellite imagery reveals that massive construction has been done by China in this area.'

    Oh indian media getting on that satellite imagery hype I see
     
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    The reactions on this thread are quite hilarious to be honest. China deciding to be aggressive and grabbing land is not an occasion to celebrate. What a confused lot you are!

    Sovereignty happens to be important to us, unlike some nation which gifted a part of it's occupied land to China for no reason years ago, so not surprised you think everyone should just comply with the Chinese when they want to have their way. US conducts drone attacks on your territory for fun, and you have the cheek to laugh at others LOL.

    Matlab kuch bhi, your mard-e-momins have not won a war ever so yeah celebrate uncle Cheen's potential 'win' without realising what's going to happen next if they are successful.

    Zabardast qoum.
     
  24. PakistanZindabad!
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    This is your response? You literally didn’t reply to anyone in the thread and just starting talking about Pakistan?
     
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    Again you are going off on a tangent. Which is a regular feature for you tbh.

    No one celebrated lol. What are you even on about.

    Right, sovereignty is important yet you have ceded upto 60 Square KM to China and have accepted the status quo, ahhh the old Indian argument that Pakistan 'gifted' Shaskam Valley during the Trans Karkoram pact lol, not true, in fact if you bothered to actually research it, you'd know Pakistan actually gained land so yeah, as you would say 'try harder', I would offer you a much more detailed response to it but honestly I won't waste my efforts.

    US does not conduct airstrikes on Pakistani land anymore but yes, not ashamed to admit (unlike you) that was pure shame for Pakistan which even the general population (unlike some) actually denounced.

    Not won a war? Seriously Mohan, you take pride in the fact that being a country 7 times bigger, many more times bigger in resources, allies, economy and you are continually prickled and prodded by a smaller adversary who stands up to you despite your bullying attitude and yes the results are debatable.
     
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    Always surprises me how dim Indian's actually are about Kashmir lol.

    Obviously not all, but certainly a good portion clearly.
     
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    So basically out of nowhere, the bully suddenly decided to be nice to us :D

    Lage raho then, whatever helps you sleep I guess.
     
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    Well why wouldn't they.

    You clearly have no concept of strategic de-escalation, read a book for once man.

    China was concerned about the strategically important DBO road, now they are stood at Galwan heights (occupied by you and now them) overlooking that road, why would China want to go any further at this point. They have created a new status quo and importantly a new precedent.

    It is literally in their interest to help India de-escalate now, hence why both sides have agreed to the trilateral with Russia which has been rescheduled after being cancelled.
     
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    So India had occupied Chinese territory? This keeps getting hilarious.

    What belongs to whom was mutually agreed upon and signed in 1967. The irony of asking me to read smh.
     
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    No answer...randomly change topic, make random stuff up and rant about Pakistan and 'mard e momins' and 'not winning wars ever' (as if Mohan typing from Lahore gymkhana) etc.

    And what celebrating? Who is celebrating, where are the posts celebrating?

    Weird
     
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    Dude, you are now taking this to heart. We should be patriotic but should be questioning the government.
    all the so called muscle flexing that modi regime has been trying to do since last 5 to 10 years, each time it has come back to embarrass them. Be it the sir-gi-kal-strike drama, the balakot run and Pakistan's response after that, the annexation of kashmir and making it an international talking point, and now opening up that region for a 3rd party to intervene. Not to mention the reaction within after that citizen ship bill. Nothing against india and indians but this hindutva plans is an embarrassment to the Indians itself.
     
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    As General Hameed Gul said Modi is like a gift for us. His words are proving right day by day. Modi is causing such a damage to India that Pakistan can never cause in 70 plus years. Shabash Modi lagey raho
     
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    It's occupied land till the local Kashmiri's have a say in relation to who runs it.

    You need to read posts properly infact, before you even open a history book ... Even then maybe take off the Arnab Goswami glassess and actually study what you are trying to argue here.

    Your knowledge of Kashmir is zilch and you have no idea what you are referring to.
     
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...rsion-india-deadly-clash-200619185837935.html

    India's prime minister has said the country is "hurt and angry" at the killing of 20 soldiers by Chinese forces in a disputed Himalayan border region, but appeared to downplay the incident in a public address, denying there had been any incursion into Indian territory.

    "Nobody has intruded into our border, neither is anybody there now, nor have our posts been captured," Narendra Modi said in a televised speech on Friday after he spent the day meeting representatives of parties from across the political spectrum in a bid to build consensus to tackle the rising tensions with China.

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    So '56 inch wala' has literally ceded Indian occupied land to the Chinese by denying an incursion, wow!

    So where were Indian soliders killed? Is Modi saying, they went into Chinese occupied territory and got killed? If so, what an idiot, he has literally handed the Galwan heights on a platter to China and to make matters worse has blamed his military lol, if so then India owes China an explanation as to what they were doing on Chinese land and also the Chinese were justified.

    This statement also potrays India as the aggressor and absolves the Chinese of their misdeeds as well.

    Look at the reaction of ex Indian generals on twitter, they're absolutely fuming!

    What a coward.
     
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    Why would one even attempt to do this (and I thought it was 100 Chinese soldiers killed...)
     
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    https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...Bz13ZZzARJlcp9mB2ALTUnYZ37xIVD8yLg8FT_zCKZLFU

    It is being seen as an expansion of its previously known territorial claims in the area.

    China’s government on Friday said it claimed the entire Galwan valley, the site of the June 15 clash on the border, including to areas that are currently on India’s side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

    In a statement, the Foreign Ministry accused India of “unilaterally building roads, bridges and other facilities in the Galwan Valley region” and said “the Galwan Valley is located on the Chinese side of the LAC in the western section of the Sino-Indian border.”

    The statement suggests Beijing is making a new claim to the LAC in this area, in the view of Indian officials. This area was the site of a clash on June 15 that claimed the lives of at least 20 Indian soldiers in the worst violence on the border since 1967. In the valley, the LAC runs east of the confluence of the Galwan and Shyok rivers. Monday’s clash was reported to have taken place on on India’s side of the LAC.

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    So after '56 inch wala' Modi's capitulation, Chinese are now openly claiming the Galwan Valley and it seems India has pretty much accepted the status quo, not that they had many military/diplomatic options anyway.

    India always see's Pakistan as it's biggest threat and has focused it's full military and political efforts to the effect, not realising the biggest threat through political, economical, militarily, cyber warfare, electro magnesium warfare is China and only China!

    Even during the 1962 war, the many border faceoffs/stand offs and now the invasion of India's territory has had no Pakistan involvement whatsoever.

    In fact even during this debacle, India was trying to incite Pakistan on the LOC.

    India's political and military leadership need a rethink and reshape, especially that so called 'CI ops specialist' Gen Bipin Rawat, who usually has a lot to say but seems to have disappeared since April lol.
     
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    Won't be surprised if we suddenly (God forbid) see 'things' in Balochistan/Karachi or you suddenly see PTM start raising their voice again...
     
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    See, contrary to popular belief, I don't think the Indian establishment has much influence over PTM although there has been reach out's via the usual so called 'liberal brigade' (not using the word liberal as a insult, just these guys ain't liberals), in Pakistan but the PTM influence actually lies on the western border, yeah there is the possibility that the Indian government could prod the Afghan establishment to get PTM to rear it's head again, but the Afghan's will surely not agree with it otherwise they jeopardise the whole 'Afghan peace process' further incurring the wrath of the US government. Not sure Afghanistan has the appetite for that right now and will use that card when it needs more concessions or to get Pakistan to 'do more' during the whole Afghan peace process.

    The western border is not really accessible by India or as welcoming as it was made to be, the fact that they are off the table completely in the Afghan peace process says all.

    Yes they can exploit Pakistan's weaknesses in Karachi/Balochistan which Pakistan has caused for itself really, no escaping from that unfortunately.
     
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    Its ironic dozens of soldiers from two of the biggest countries in the World by area lost their lives over a 50km stretch of land full of arid rocks and ice totally incapable of human settlements or any other useful peaceful purpose.
     
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    Totally agree with you. The involvement of RAW in activities of PTM or MQM is highly exaggerated. This is a typical ISI working to make or break movements like that within Pakistan, as per their need.
    The western borders of Pakistan is highly tricky, and Pakistan plays a highly dangerous game over there. India did try to get their influence at that borders but as you know afghans and the people of that region and the region itself is quite complex. Alot of that complexities is created by Pakistan itself.
    More than India, CIA is most active in that region after Pakistan. PTM and such (anti pakistan army) brigade are mostly nobodies in Pakistan who want to get seek asylum in the west.
     

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