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Is Asif a sure shot for T-20s?

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  1. Big Daddy
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    Big Daddy Emerging Player

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    Asif this season has gone at exactly 9 runs per over (12 overs 108 runs) and has on average takes 2 wickets per match. I for one think Asif does not merit a T-20 place primarily because he specilizes as a new ball bowler. Already we have options for our opening role under Amir and Razzaq, both of them do a solid job first up and we have ideal follow up under the spin twins, Afridi and Ajmal. With Gul to come with the old bowl. So in this contention Asif will be forced / accommodated more so then merited.

    Given this, we should specify what utility Asif brings to the table, categorize that utility to the platforms that suit his profile. Come what may, the skill set he endorses and this is based on my contention, is not something that can light up the t20 campaign for Pakistan.

    Side note, would prefer Hafeez over Asif any day.
     
  2. Wasim
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    I've said this before and will say it again: we have better options. He's the best test bowler. Problem is, in t20 he wont be having slips and batsmen driving.

    As I predicted in another thread, Shahzaib took him to cleaners in the first over by smashing 19 runs. Thats a lot. If Razzaq hadn't send Shahzaib back, Asif would've gone for more, or Malik would've simply replaced him after one over.

    Once the openers were back, he took his typical test-style wickets; a bunny with a bat known as Sarfraz Ahmed and another random guy got out to trying to play proper cricket shots. As soon as Boom Boom arrived, he took Asif to cleaners again. He did eventually get Afridi out, but Afridi can gift his wicket to anyone.

    In the previous match, he went for 44 runs to uncelebrated batsmen.

    His fielding and batting aren't anything to write home about either.

    Better t20 packages:
    Aamer
    Razzaq
    Gul
    Rana
    Arafat
    Hammad Azam
    Anwar Ali
    Cheema

    And even....

    Shoaib Akhtar
    Sohail Tanvir
    Sohail Khan
     
  3. Mercenary
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    Mercenary The Lone Wolf

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    I don't think we should get confused between domestic games on dead and pummelled tracks and international games. Asif himself made the point in his man of the match speech when he said that the Stallions have always had the last game of the day and the pitch has already been used for one or two games that day.

    Asif is a new ball bowler and relies on the bounce and spit that a new ball gets from a fresher track. The NSK has been hosting games non stop all week and it will affect someone like Asif.

    Asif's international record speaks for itself. He was the first bowler to get a maiden in T20I's, it ended up being a double wicket maiden too! Asif can play a role in T20s, they just need to bowl him out at the start of save one of his overs to use before the 15th over.
     
  4. Bart
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    Agree with you that it is unfair to blame him for performances on dead domestic tracks but who are you going to drop to accommodate him? If Gul stays out of form he might have to go but I don't think Aamir is good enough to do what Gul has been doing in T20s for past three / four years.
     
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    Mercenary The Lone Wolf

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    Which seamers are you counting Nauman?
     
  6. ghulam35
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    I think we need 3 decent spinners in the side at least, Afridi and Ajmal are 2 but we need to add 1 or 2 more, pace bowlers will be expensive in W.I. I say put Mohammed Hafeez, Zulfiqar Babar and Hasan Raza in the squad.

    Peferably I would like to see the t20 wc side with Hafeez as opener, Shahid Afridi at number 3/4 and then Saeed Ajmal and Hasan Raza as specialist spin bowlers.

    Abdul Razzaq is the only pace bowler who should have a guranteed slot in the T20 WC, 2 places are up for grabs.

    So bowling line up would be:
    Mohammed Hafeez
    Shahid Afridi
    Hasan Raza
    Abdul Razzaq
    Umar Gul(on form)/Rana Naved/Mohammed Aamer/Umar Gul/Ajeez Cheema/Sohail Khan/Mohammed Irfan/etc

    Unsure about the following, preferably no beacuse they prone to being expensive and inconsistent.
    Sohail Tanvir/Yasir Arafat/Mohammed Sami/Shoaib Akhtar/Mohammed Asif

    whereas Hammad Azam isn't a t20 kind of player as yet. He's suited to tests and odi's.
     
  7. Wasim
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    Our recent T20 attack:

    Gul
    Yasir Arafat
    Razzaq
    Afridi
    Ajmal

    Arafat did a great job. And he only played because Aamer was unfit.

    Who'd you drop for Asif? Specially if we play three spinners in the Caribbean?

    I think this is not Asif's cup of tea. He doesn't even have a good yorker, unlike other Pakistani seamers.

    @Ghulam

    You mean Raza Hasan. Hasan Raza is a batsman and not ready to take up spin bowling by the world cup, specially with his wrong arm.:D
     
  8. Bart
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    Aamir
    Razzaq
    Gul

    Spinners
    Afridi and Ajmal

    so if you want to include Asif in the team he has to replace either Gul or Aamir.
     
  9. Disco Lemonade
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    Leaving out the bowler of Asif's calibre is not a great idea. We did that in Champions Trophy semi finals, and we clearly missed him. He can work out the best of the best. He do go for runs olright but i always remember him owning the best batsmen, if any tom **** and afridi will hit him for few boundaries, i dont care, wot i know is that he is more likely to take wickets up the order then anyone else in our team. So, adjust him somewhere, bowl him out at the start and ask him to make chai afterwards. We can place him somewhere at third man, he can do a good job there.
     
  10. Disco Lemonade
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    Surely you will be more satisfied if the opposition is 60/4 in the first 6 overs rather than 45/0??
     
  11. Wasim
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    You make it sound like he's the only wicket taking bowler we have.

    We won the T20 world cup without him.

    And again, he doesn't even have a good yorker. Never been a good death bowler. That makes him very inflexible as there's no option but to have him bowl his 4 overs at the start, no matter what!
     
  12. Mercenary
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    Mercenary The Lone Wolf

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    You'd play Razzaq as a frontline seamer? Not on the Windies dead tracks!!

    We're desperate for a new ball bowler, Aamer is still learning and Gul is useless. Asif is the man to bowl 4 up front during the power plays.

    As Disco said, you may hit a couple of times but you'll only make him madder and that means that he will come and get you
     
  13. Wasim
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    Wasim Smooth Operator

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    You have a point regarding the dead tracks in the Windies. But Asif is also someone who relies on a little assistance from the pitch.

    Gul could've been then best pacer in these conditions as his job is to deliver fast yorkers. But if he's that out of form, maybe Rana can do that job. From what I saw, Rana was the best death bowler in the RBS.
     

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