Is this Indian team the strongest in their history?

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  1. Mercenary
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    Mercenary The Lone Wolf

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    India are one of the top 3 teams in the world right now and they deserve that ranking.

    This Indian unit is the Indian equivalent of the Pakistan team from the 90s, the Aussie team of the noughties and the Windies team of the 80s. Never before in the history of cricket has an Indian team semi-dominated like this.

    Despite this being the best team India has ever put out, I can't see it ever dominating the way the Aussies, Windies, Saffies and Pakistanis have done in the past. At the most they'll be a top 3 team for a few years but I cant see them getting more consistent than that.

    So can anyone think of a stronger Indian team?
     
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    If you break down the win/loss record on India by 3-4 year period, this team has certainly won more matches that any other previous Indian team.

    Does this make this team stronger than any previuos team? I think, this should be determined by the oppositions they played. Previous Indian teams played great team like WIs on 75-85, England of 60-70, Pakistani team of 90s or even 80s Australian team on 60-70s. It is anybody's guess how current team would have fared against those teams.

    Similarly some of the previous teams who played against great teams of the past would have easily beaten current top teams like Australia and South Africa on a turning pitch where India played 3 (sometimes 4) spinners in the team and only 1 medium pacer slower than Yasir Arafat.
     
  3. Wasim
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    Troll Alert!:D

    They've never had world class bowling. But their batting is as good as ever, so they're winning. It also has to do with the decline of other teams like Australia, W.I and Pakistan.
     
  4. HuskerFan
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    hey hey ... what are calling Merc? :p

    Only wicket taking bowlers are Harbhajan and Zaheer. Who else? India has produced much better bowlers than these two.

    This is the key reason.

    Plus lately a lot of crucial umpiring decisions have gone in favor of India.
     
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    This is an amusing post and leaves me unsure where to begin. Factual inaccuracies, disingenuous logic and a bold prediction masking the lingering wish underneath - the quoted post has it all!

    The rankings don't just put India among the top three as you so artfully claim, they unequivocally call this Indian team the clear leader. What you think of the algorithms which drives the rankings system is a debate for another day.

    Subsequently, you decide to surreptitiously and farcically club Pakistan (of the 90s) with Windies and Aussies, matching their extended period of unrivaled dominance. As I understand, during Pakistan's era of brutal dominance, Australia humiliated you 7 times. You did it twice. Saffers have a 3-1 scoreline in their favour against you but, ofcourse, Pakistan reigned supreme. :))

    There's a good case to be made that the Pakistani team of the 90s have been one of the biggest under-achievers in cricket. Conventional wisdom tells us, and with good reasons too, that bowlers decide test matches more than Batsmen (unless the batsman is a certain Sehwag). Keeping this in mind, it's amazing to see how Pakistan, with all their alleged gun bowlers, capitulated every time they were up against quality teams like Australia and SA.

    Regarding what the future holds, I have no crystal ball with me, but I'd be more than assured if the feudal culture of Pakistani team doesn't get hold within the Indian set-up.
     
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    I should have been more specific, I was referring to the period between the start of 1984 and the end of 1994. That early 90s (and late 80s) team wasn't as dominant as the Aussies and Windies but it was probably the next most dominant team after those two.

    Pakistan played 24 complete test series in that period and only lost 3 of them. They were undefeated in 21 series played over those 11 years, winning 14 of those series and drawing the other 7.

    You're right. I dont have a crystal ball but I cant see India playing for an 11 year period where they only lose 3 Test series. Especially since Dravid, Laxman and Sachin will be gone soon and then 3 or 4 years after that Zaheer, Sehwag and Bhaji will follow.

    Aside from Gambhir and Dhoni I dont really see who will step up from India's youngsters. Pakistan never recovered fully from the retirements of Waqar, Wasim, Anwar, Mushy and Saqi.

    Under Inzi's captaincy they were still a fighting unit that gave almost as good as they got but after his retirment and the cutting of the final tie with Imran's cornered tigers Pakistan have just lost it.

    India currently have a better and more stable cricketing infrastructure but I don't see talent the likes of Dravid, Sachin, Ganguly, Laxman or Kumble and Bhaji coming through the ranks yet.
     
  7. Aditya Khanna
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    I reckon we have different views on what constitutes "dominance".

    At first glance, Pakistan's record during the period you've carved out certainly looks good. Australia was at its weakest during this period and yet you've a 50:50 record against them. Similarly, India were at their weakest during this era but still held Pakistan to 10 draws in 11 matches. Pakistan's record looks good because of your historical dominance of Kiwis and over Sri Lanka (as good as present day zim) during this period. Your team failed to challenge the real dominant team, the Windies, in the way India did to Australia.

    By all accounts, Pakistan were more than competitive unit during this period but they were far away from being a dominant team.

    Re the future, I don't quite fret over the replacements - so long the people at helm rigorously infuse a professional ethic down to the grassroots. It's a tall order and results may not be immediate but this is the way forward. Considering how popular the game is in this part of the world, talent is never going to be an issue - learning how to nurture and harness this talent would be the decisive factor.
     
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    I thought the discussion and the thread was about Indian team ... and not the Pakistani team? Why Indian fans gets so defensive about their team and have absolutely so courage to discuss their own team? Every time anything is said about Indian team, dirty laundry of Pakistani cricket comes out.

    We can start an another thread if we want to discuss Pakistan cricket team but then again almost every thread on this forum is about Pakistan team.

    I guess, Indian fans are relatively new to winning therefore don't know how to take winning and be humble about it ... and don't know how to handle it at all ... or may be it is the unprecedented power that BCCI has been bestowed upon is too much for Indian fans to handle.
     
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    @Mercenary

    "Under Inzi's captaincy they were still a fighting unit that gave almost as good as they got but after his retirment and the cutting of the final tie with Imran's cornered tigers Pakistan have just lost it."

    The great Khan was a specialist talent hunter. He got it right about several players. That is essentially the difference between an honest selection and a biased one....just look at how Butt manages to squeeze in the PAK team time and again. Does he receive help from the "shareef" Butts from Raiwind?
     
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    +1.

    Post of the week.

    And Mr. Khanna duly vanishes with all his linguistics.
     
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    The current Indian team is definitely the best we have now. However our bowling is a concern. I don't see India dominating on a consistent basis when Tendu, Dravid and VVS retire. So yes at the moment, I will have to agree with Merc. It will be interesting to see how the younger players step up in the future.
     
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    There is no doubt about it. This Indian team is the best they have ever fielded. A top class batting machine that can dominate and completely destroy the best attacks around the world.

    They are lacking when it comes to their bowling but the batting makes up for that weakness quite efficiently. Like tdigi stated the dominance probably won't last as long as most Indian fans would like it to last. This is simply because of the mass retirement we will soon see with all of their class batsmen retiring.

    Do they have replacements for these great batsmen? The answer to this question will determine whether or not they actually remain the dominant force they currently are. I do see some potential within their domestic circuit but there certainly isn't any player that stands out as a future superstar right now. I guess we will soon find out.
     
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    @tdigi

    With the retirement of Kumble the bowling is a lot weaker but when Jumbo was still around I think it was the best combined Indian bowling attack in history.

    Previously there's been Srinath with Kapil in one era or Bedi in another. But when India had Zaheer, Bhaji, Kumble and an in-form Pathan in the same side. I think that was probably the best combined attack India have ever had.
     
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    Australia and west Indies have lost some great players in recent years as have pakistan and South Africa.

    Most teams are at a rebuilding stage where they are picking new and talented younger players to make a strong team for the 2011 world cup

    So tbh the only reason i think India is up there is because of others being weaker and in the rebuilding process.
     
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    This is definitely the strongest Indian team I can think of but it's still dominating more at home than overseas. I think the Dhoni is the difference between this team and those in the past, it'll be interesting to see how they perform once he retires.
     
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    Definitely.The batting line-up is fantastic.Virat Kohli looks to have all the ingredients to become a real star in the future.Suresh Raina is another fantastic prospect.Even Yuvraj Singh has regained his form,you really have to back them to win this tournament,especially at home.However it is their bowling lineup which is a let-down.Piyush Chawla had a very bad day at the office today vs Ireland and they lack a good fast bowler.
     
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    Any team with a strong opening pair or top 3 will be a major obstacle in all 3 forms of the game. Ever since Gambhir and Sehwag found their form, India have been growing as a team.

    What's worrying for them is what will happen when Zaheer and Bhaji retire
     
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    A strong batting team that lacks proper bowlers! As Merc has said above, the worrying factor will be as to what will happen once Zaheer and Harbhajan retire...
     
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    I still honestly belive that SA top 4 is better than India's top 4, though they lack batsman in the lower order. Loots Bossman should also have been in their squad and they should be playing another specialist batsman with AB keeping rather than Morne van Wyk.
     
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    Thats why they don't want UDRS
     
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    May be strongest Indian team, however at the international scale, it doesn't simply have the bowling resources to bowl opposition out. In the term of this World Cup, it is certainly one of the favorites, if not THE FAVORITE. However with this bowling I don't really see them going the distance.
     
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    good joke

    :lol::)):lol:
     
  24. CORNERED TIGER
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    for your information pakistan was the only team to challenge the west indies during that period.....pakistan did not lose a test series at home from 1980/1981 to 1995 and pakisan did not lose a test series v west indies when imran khan was captain....
    and u sayin india DRAWN 10 tests in 1980s v pakistan yeh i knw but pakistan won 2 test series v india where as india won NONE......so keep ur draws..
    as for you saying newzeland and srilanka of that time where as good as zim of today....get your facts right newzealand team of 1980s n early 1990s was there best coz they had certain richard haddlee and martin crowe in there team... and ok i kinda agree on sri lanka during that time but india won most of there test matches in 2000s if m not wrong v bangladesh a team wich is by all accounts is far more rubbish then sri lanka of that time and if u....dnt belive me check the cricket stats.....and one more thing over all it shows pakistan n india almost won same numbers of test matches but the differnce here is india has played almost 100 more test then pakistan.....so that should b enough...and last......... get a fast bowler if u wan rule the cricket world...!!!
     
  25. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Indian team is strongest in their history but weak as far as bowling is concerned. They have got the best batting but at the same time worst bowling in the world. Their bowling was totally exposed the other day against England. They couldn't defend 338!
     
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    The team which played in 2003 world cup was more stronger with likes of Srinath and kumble....... yuvi zaheer were more energetic at tat time......
     
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    The Indian bowling is their achilles heel and it always has been. It's also traditionally been the reason why (despite a population of a billion) they've struggled to be as competitive as teams like West Indies, Australia, South Africa and Pakistan.

    I think the biggest move in favour of India has been the standardisation of flat pitches across the world. In the blind pursuit of revenue over balance between bat and ball, the majority of the grounds round the world create pitches which will stretch matches for the full 5 days or 100 overs. So that they can maximise ticket revenue and the number of commercial slots on TV. The longer the game lasts the more money is made.

    India's batsmen have really cashed in on this phenomena and are nearly all sporting the once coveted 50+ average.
     
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    5 years later and the Indian team is even stronger than it was then, now their bowling is effective as well but it's still top 3-5 at best. They've been strong in this World Cup but were demolished in the preceding tri-series. They're still a strong team but outside flat tracks they're very beatable.
     
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    before the world cup they couldnt win a match and now they are undefeated...dont think this is their strongest team thou.

    Their bowling is, batting not so much.
     
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    Name a stronger team, they've always had good batting lineups but this is the first time they've had good batting lineups and good pace bowlers too.
     
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    sharma hasnt been in form, dhavan just recently hit form. tendus avg in wcs have been good so he could be a big boost. ont hese dead wickets sehwag would have been better then sharma. Im guessing the last wc team was better. the only thing this team has that the previous team didnt was bowling.
     
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    I have never been impressed by india as I have been in this tournament. Ever.
     
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    don't know abt strongest skill and telent wise but def mentally strongest
     
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    They will be, not yet.
     
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    Sorry, I don't see anything special with this Indian team
     
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    Wait, if this is the strongest Indian team in history, then it is so, without Tendulkar!?

    The irony!
     
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    One man does not make a team.
     
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    Word!
     
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