Lets discuss Mohammed Abbas

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Should Abbas play in ODI

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  1. Mohammed Bilal
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    Mohammed Bilal Tracer Bullet

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    Na.

    Keep him at Tests, we have enough Options including Junaid and Shaheen and the competition between Hassan, Amir and Shinwari is good if worse comes to worse than yes he should be drafted.
     
  2. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Shahzad.Firdous Cornered Tiger

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    Yes, he must share the new ball with Amir and Hassan must follow first change with Fahim, Shadab and Hafeez and Malik the other bowlers in the team!
     
  3. Passionate Pakistani
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    Passionate Pakistani The Don

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    Think Pakistan have enough LOI bowlers like Shinwari Hassan Amir Junaid Faheem.. dont need anyone else as yet

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  4. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Shahzad.Firdous Cornered Tiger

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    Amir must be dropped to get Abbas in!
     
  5. Passionate Pakistani
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    Passionate Pakistani The Don

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    Moved to number 3 in ICC test rankings. Top stuff.

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  6. SwingNSeam
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    SwingNSeam Boom Boom

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    agreed
     
  7. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Shahzad.Firdous Cornered Tiger

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    Great to see you back on the forum!!
     
  8. SwingNSeam
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    SwingNSeam Boom Boom

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    hows everything with u
     
  9. mohsin88ali
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    mohsin88ali Talented

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    I, for one, am not in favour of Abbas being "fast tracked" into LO side.

    Reasons?

    He might (read, will) burn out, just take a look at Amir who looks tired and frankly, clueless, even in LO, let alone Tests.
    And you shouldn't do that to your Test spearhead.

    Hassan is a like-for-like replacement for Abbas in LO. Whom, I would reserve for LO only.

    Lets take a look at those who should play LO...

    Shaheen, brings pace and bounce.

    Shinwari, brings swing and an ability to take wickets early on.

    Hassan, accuracy during middle overs and death .

    Fahim, skiddier than he looks, has decant accuracy.



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  10. ElRaja
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    ElRaja Talented

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    great start to his test career, should be a squad player for odis, give him a run in the games in england next year, and if he finds his feet would be an excellent option given conditions may suit him in the world cup.
     
  11. Munna
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    Munna Kaptaan

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    Would be interesting to see how Abbas does in LOIs. Sooner or later, we're definitely gonna see him play the ODIs.

    Lets not forget that Asif, with all his great skills and success in tests, was still a very ordinary LOI bowler and never found a guaranteed spot in the LOI team. So I hope Abbas doesn't look up to him anymore specifically for those formats and would rather do his research on how McGrath and Pollock used to adjust themselves in the shortened games.
     
  12. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Shahzad.Firdous Cornered Tiger

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    Asif did great even in t20 format! He was great in t20 World Cup 2007~
     
  13. Munna
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    Munna Kaptaan

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    Only did well against India in the group game and got phainta in others and then played only a game or two after that tournament in rest of his career. Not sure where is his greatness in that format. Was even average in his IPL stint.

    Its no hidden truth that he struggled to do well outside the tests.
     
  14. Shahzad.Firdous
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    If Asif did not do well in 2007 t20 WC, how Pakistan managed to play so well in that tournament! You need all your 11 players firing on all cylinders to do so well in such a big tournament and team did well cus everyone was performing! Misbah was the main player in that tournament though and saved Pakistan's face on several occasions particularly that final against India!!
     
  15. Munna
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    That post does not make any sense. Check his stats in that wc and he was just about okay... in fact got massive phaintas in a few games. If Asif was so good, then he surely would have played a lot more games than just 11 T20Is.

    And no you don't need all your 11 players in big tournaments to fire and our 3 major tournament wins are a proof of that.... in fact even in that 2007 wc, none of our top order batsmen apart from Misbah performed well in more than 1 game in that tournament... Hafeez, Akmal, Afridi, Malik and Butt were massive failures while Nazir and Younis did well in one game each. And the remaining half of your post is totally irrelevant to this discussion.

    Lets not argue just for the sake of it when there is no need.
     
  16. s_h_a_f
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    s_h_a_f Whispering Death

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    That’s not even relevant for this discussion tbh
     
  17. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Shahzad.Firdous Cornered Tiger

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    Fact is that Asif, Sohail Tanveer, Umar Gul, Afridi, Hafeez and Shoaib Malik were doing well as a bowling attack in that tournament that was keeping Pakistan in the tournament,. Offcourse, Misbah was the main player for us in that tournament but bowling attack was doing its job and not allowing teams to post big totals consistently!! T20 mein thora buhat phainta har kisi ko parta hai but anyways Asif is irrelevant to this discussion so lets shut him down here!!
     
  18. chandtara
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    chandtara Mr Cricistan

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    The emergence of Mohammad Abbas proves cricket has evolved

    Like life itself, and like most things in life, sports is also susceptible to evolution. In fact, it’s not uncommon in most sports for technical and stylistical developments to reach such a point that it renders one era almost unrecognisable from the other.

    In the world’s biggest and perhaps the greatest sport – football – the evolution has seen full-blooded defending featuring flying tackles and generally rough tactics replaced by slick play and an increased emphasis on offense.

    In basketball, the evolution is even clearer, with the quicker, pass-heavy style of play now reigning supreme as opposed to the conventional isolation schemes of the 90s.

    Cricket, too, has undergone a transformation in the last 10 years, with much of its modern face attributed to the advent and subsequent popularity of T20 cricket.

    It’s been well documented how the batsmen of the 2000s score runs at a frenzied pace and hit sixes more frequently than their predecessors ever did — or could.

    But while that evolution on part of the batters has been highlighted time and again, very few have noted the changes on the other end.

    The increased urgency to score in the batsmen has forced remarkable changes in bowlers as well. The 20th century needed its fast bowlers to live up to their names and be towering speedsters with matching attitude.

    To be a frontline fast bowler then, the primary prerequisite used to be height — the longer the better. The West Indian pacers of the 70s, the Thompson-Lille duo out of Australia or the two Pakistan W's of the 90s — all had all or either of height, pace or aggression in abundance.

    That is no more the case in modern cricket. Bowlers these days aren't man-mountains or 100 mile pace merchants. Instead, the bowlers today are more cerebral and reliant on how they control their delivery rather than how fast they can hurl the ball.

    Mohammad Abbas — the rising star of Pakistan cricket in the five-day format — represents this shift in fast bowlers' evolution like few others have.

    The Sialkot-born does not have any notable physical gifts and he can barely hit 80 mph. He also appears to have a very calm demeanor and has not been tainted by the fame and glam that comes with stardom — at least not yet.

    Such an unassuming personality he has that until 2016 very few even knew of him. For a talent this ready to go unnoticed until the age of 26 reiterates things about the system but also tells about his own way of being.

    When back-to-back chart-topping performances in the Quaid-e-Azam trophy did get him noticed and earned him a maiden call to the Test side, he grabbed the opportunity with both hands. Few newbies have burst on the international scene like Abbas has.

    Had Abbas been born 20 years earlier, he would have never made it to the national team, for which the criteria was for bowlers to bowl fast and have imposing, hostile personalities. But the fast bowler of 2018 is a much more cerebral animal – a role for which Abbas is perfect.

    He bowls with dead accuracy, hits just the right areas long enough for the ball to extract any movement out of the pitch and do the damage.

    A common theme across the globe has been to make sports more inclusive. The emergence of Abbas, Hasan Ali and other non-imposing pacers is perhaps cricket’s contribution in this regard.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1442520
     
  19. Saisent
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    Saisent Youngsta Beauty

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    he celebrates one of his 10 wickets in the second Test.
     
  20. Patriot
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    @Mohammed Bilal best bowler in the world couldn't even take wickets on Perth pitch
     
  21. Don Quixote
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    Don Quixote Whispering Death

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    His stats are still good in this format.

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  22. Patriot
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    Patriot Kaptaan

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    and ?
     
  23. Mohammed Bilal
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    When did I call him best in the world, we’ll he’s definitely among the best, whenever Pak batsman does well against Australia, you would count it against a good attack because of Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins even Nile and Billy are good.
     
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    chandtara Mr Cricistan

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    Abbas feels honoured at ODI baptism

    Pakistan’s successful Test fast bowler Mohammad Abbas has shown pride in wearing a green shirt on his ODI debut, hoping he could take wickets with the white ball as he has done with the red.

    The 29-year-old made his one-day debut in the first day-night international, taking one for 44 in his 10 overs as Australia chased down a target of 281 for the loss of just two wickets.

    Abbas grabbed the wicket of Australia captain Aaron Finch, but only after the opener cracked a match-winning 116.

    That was in total contrast to the start of his Test career, after some impressive performances, Abbas made a big impact against Ireland in Malahide last year, when he took nine wickets –four for 44 and five for 66 in the sixth match of his career. His heroics led Pakistan to a five-wicket win. Abbas was again the pick of the bowlers with eight wickets in Pakistan’s win over England at Lord’s.

    Abbas completed 50 Test wickets in 10 Tests to become the joint-second fastest to the mark by a Pakistani bowler, one more than wrist-spinner Yasir Shah.

    Abbas admitted it was a challenge to bowl with white ball.

    “In white ball cricket, you get flat wickets, so you have to adjust your bowling,” Abbas told www.pcb.com.pk. “But, in red ball cricket, you get better pitches. They are helpful, so you can bowl up also for the ball to swing.

    “So, adjustment is the key after you assess the conditions.”

    Abbas said ODI cricket is more demanding and there is less margin of error.

    “There is less margin of error in white ball cricket. If you err, then you are hit for runs and boundaries,” said Abbas, who felt proud at getting one-day cap from bowling coach Azhar Mahmood.

    “It was a proud moment. I didn’t do much to help my team win, but in the next matches I will do my best to contribute to the wins. It was a typical one-day wicket and suited batsmen,” said Abbas of the Sharjah strip where Haris Sohail also hit his maiden one-day century in Pakistan’s total of 280 for five.

    “I will do my best to take wickets with the new ball. If you don’t get wickets, then the next option is to stop the flow of runs. Once you do that, then batsmen come under pressure and make mistakes,” said Abbas.

    https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/03/23/abbas-feels-honoured-at-odi-baptism/
     
  25. Patriot
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    good bowler, will learn with time

    future prospect for Pakistan in limited overs
     
  26. KingOfDoosra
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    KingOfDoosra Sultan of Swing

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    Too many defensive bowlers in this line up. Abbas will not take many wickets.
     

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