Match Ka Mujrim?

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  1. ComradeVenom
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    Please pick who you feel was responsible for todays loss. Also give a legitimate reason for why not just because you dislike the player.

    The Choices

    1 - Umar Gul - Didn't bowl well today and gave away cheap and easy runs
    2 - Kamran Akmal - Duck
    3 - Misbah - Batted slowly and a poor dismissal
    4 - Umar - Batted slowly and a poor dismissal
    5 - Malik - Batted slowly
    6 - Hafeez- Only hit shots when it was too late. Was tuk tuking before that.

    The reason I've not made a poll is that this thread can be used in future matches too however if mods feel it necessary they can make a poll.

    My Choice

    Misbah and Umar. All the batsmen played poorly today but these guys took ages settling in and when you are settled it is criminal to throw away the game the way they did.
     
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  2. Omar
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    Omar Cricistan Moderator

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    Ditto!
     
  3. Passionate Pakistani
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  4. Energy
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    If I have to choose one, then it will be Misbah only because of the way he gave his wicket away. That takes nothing away from the way Umar gave it away as well.
     
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    Billy Bowden.

    But if I had to pick a player I would say Umar Akmal. Once Misbah went it was his job to guide us home but he got out stupidly again.
     
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  6. Energy
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    Spot on there!
     
  7. Fireworks11
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    Misbah and Umar. Both played stupid shots, both were settled and the rate was so low, they should have seen us through.
     
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    Gul?

    You can't really blame any bowler when we have rolled them over for 167.
     
  9. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    Misbah.

    As a Captain and main batsman it was his job when he came at 14/2 to guide Pakistan to a win with at least 10 overs to spare but first he batted in his usual fashion too slow and then after consuming more than 80 balls got out at the worst possible time.
     
  10. Major
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    The whole batting line up.... Even after Misbah was gone, we still could had won the match
     
  11. KingOfDoosra
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    KingOfDoosra Sultan of Swing

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    Is that including or excluding Misbah?
     
  12. Omar
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    A thing that some people can't understand is that you can't allow a bowler like Jadeja who's merely a part time spinner to go for only 19 in 10 overs. He was more of a threat then Ashwin? Ashwin being a regular spinner went for 47 off his 10 which for his standards is expensive. Pakistan in the previous matches have let Raina get on top by taking only 10-12 runs off his 2 overs where you can't simply allow part timers to get away with like that.

    Misbah and Umar were really slow, especially Misbah where he in the end simply lobbed a practice catch to leg slip when he clearly knew what their ploy was as he still went ahead with that. Misbah's knock of 39 from 82 balls was a decisive factor in this run chase.

    39 from 82 which had 4 boundaries which is 16 runs so taking that out it means he scored 23 from 78 balls. Out of those 78 balls I can't say how many were dot balls but wouldn't be surprised if it's 45-50 of them.

    The bottom line is you can't afford to play out so many dot balls even when the target is small still nothing huge was required as majority it was 3.5-3.8 that Pakistan needed and it wasn't something that needed to be achieved with just big hits.

    Hafeez would've departed early as well had he not been given a life by Rahane who this time dropped a dolly. He did play the 2 big shots right in the end when it was all too late with the last man in just to give Pakistan a last hope of doing it.

    Umar clearly needs to be seen by a psychologist to get to know what actually goes through his head as he simply loses the plot mid way through a game and plays a completely dumb shot to get himself out where the team is just few runs away from victory and he's supposed to get the team home being playing for Pakistan in 70 ODI's till date this being his 71st.

    Those above are to an extent a more detailed reasoning of my choice of players who I think that we had lost the match.
     
  13. Chishti
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    1. Kamran Akmal
    (for his duck)
    2. Umar Akmal
    (For his mindless shot selection and giving away his wicket so cheap)
    3. Younus Khan (you haven't mention him but IMO he's the main culprit, he's more experienced player in the side even more experienced than Misbah than why he got out so early?)
     
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    In my eyes when a batsman gets set he should be impossible to get out. So even though on the scorecard it says Misbah and Umar made most runs I still think they are more responsible for defeat.

    I cant work out who is more responsible though, if its Misbah or Umar
     
  15. AmmarAshraf
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    Match Ka Mujrim = Billy Bowden
     
  16. iAd
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    Billy Bowden=10%
    Misbah= 20%
    Umar Akmal= 15%
    Umar Gul= 25%
    Kamran= 20%
    Younis= 20%

    Around those lines
     
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    The Akmals - Don't see any youngsters surviving in the team until these two clowns are thrown out of the team. They not only support each other in the team, but also pressurize any of their potential replacements. The 3 rd ODI was the perfect time to try Harris Sohail but there are reports that Kamran Akmal pushed for Junior and his buddies Misbah, Hafeez and Malik obliged and left deserving H. Sohail wondering. Mr Brain Fart then did what he is famous for -choked and ruined the game.
     
  18. Energy
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    Dropped catches in the first innings and letting the lower-order score over 200 runs.
     
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    The openers, specially Hafeez, who looked clueless opening. Misbah for allowing SA to score freely in first innings.

    Tuk Tuk Azhar & Misbah - Someone needs to drill this in Misbah's brain that its the number of runs on the board which wins the game not the number of balls negotiated by batsmen.

    Alsso, lack of agression in Fast bowling. I am afraid Misbah's tactics/handling of fast bowlers during his captaincy have ruined the typical agressive mindset of pakistani fast bowlers. He relies too much on Ajmal.
     
  20. Saj
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    Our tail starts at 7.
     
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    Misbah, Hafeez, Jamshed and Sarfraz. All were very poor in the test
     
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  24. Don Corleone
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    Misbah and our openers.
     
  25. Saj
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    Hafeez
    Jamshed
    Misbah (for captaincy)
    Sarfraz
    Tanvir
    Gul
     
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  26. KingOfDoosra
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    Jamshed scored less than Hafeez.
     
  27. Passionate Pakistani
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    Passionate Pakistani The Don

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    Jamshed,Tanvir and Sarfraz all failed but they are new and least experienced.
     
  28. Don Corleone
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    Tanvir is new?

    Okay.
     
  29. Passionate Pakistani
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    Passionate Pakistani The Don

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    How many tests did he play before this match?
     
  30. Don Corleone
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    4.

    M Irfan played his first.

    Tanvir is maybe new, but that doesnt justify his place in the XI.
     
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    1. Hafeez the batsmen
    2. Jamshed the batsmen
    3. Misbah the captain
    4. Tanvir the bowler
    5. Gul the bowler
     
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    ^ Sarfaraz the batsmen
     
  33. Passionate Pakistani
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    4 is not experince at all especially when he played his last test 2 years ago.

    Its not about justification of his place, its about who was the culprit for this defeat and you can hardly blame a player who has played only 4 matches.

    Seniors are more responsible.

    1. Misbah
    2. Hafeez
    3. Gul
     
  34. iAd
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    iAd Sultan of Swing

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    Hafeez is No.1 on my list
     
  35. Fallen King
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    My post may not be related to this thread. Although, it's somewhat related to the resource [Pakistan's bowling attack].

    It's too late to question the tactics of Misbah now. Hafeez has bowled only two overs so far. I don't understand this reason. Surely, one poor over is not enough to rule him out after other bowlers have been continued despite of their leaking runs. What is the point of selecting Hafeez if Hafeez's bowling is not going to be utilized?

    Hafeez has bowled only two overs especially in the condition that strongly support the spinners the most. What is going on between Misbah and Hafeez? Allahu Alim!
     
  36. AmmarAshraf
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    Misbah
    Openers
    Impotent Fast bowlers - Irfan
    Sarfraz
     
  37. shainz
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    our problem is we have only 6 batsmen in da team n big tail n out of dat 3 keep failing in each inning openers have done nothing so far big question mark over thr hafeez isnt a specialist against new ball n against quality attack it shows clearly n i wud luv to knw what our bowling coach has done over a period of 6-8 months apart from ajmal no1 looked like picking up a wkt we r struggling in both departments n wont surprise if we r whitewashed this series
     
  38. Pakistan97
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    1.Hafeez (with the bat and the bowl)
    2.Misbah (with the bat and his captaincy)
    3.Gul (with the bowl)
    4.Jamshed (with the bat,had big hopes to him)
    5.Sarfraz (with the bat and sometimes with the gloves)
    6.Tanvir (with the bowl,but did well with the bat,better than sarfraz)
     
  39. ~Akmal Mania~
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    All the blame goes to azhar ali and misbah. Their defensive approach at the start of the day against the new ball killed all the momentum. Bowlers were all over on us, too much negativity resulted in misbah's brainfart and later Shafiq's unlucky dismissal triggered a collapse.

    Azhar is selfish and misbah's captaincy was a joke.
     
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    So does Sarfraz get a pass here?
     

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