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Mohammad Amir is the best bowler produced by Pakistan since Wasim Akram..

Discussion in 'Cricket Talk' started by Shahzad.Firdous, Jul 30, 2020.

  1. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Shahzad.Firdous Cornered Tiger

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    I rate him higher than Waqar Younus, Shoaib Akhtar and Mohd Asif. Such a pity his best years were wasted but amount of hardwork he has put in since his comeback is unsung really... Mickey Arthur was just a cruel coach imo.. its so good to have Misbah Coach finally... Mohammad Amir next 3-4 years mein apni peak per hoga...
     
  2. s_h_a_f
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    What bakwaas is this bhai
     
  3. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Bakwaas kiya bhai itni achi bowling ki hai last 4-5 saal mein... consistent performance de raha hai kuch bhi hai consistent hai... usko aisa ragra maara hai Arthur ne ke woh test cricket se hi bhet gaya phir bhi jise dekho Amir ko criticize hi karte rehta hein log jis tarah PTI govt ko criticize karna aaj kal logon ka shoq ban gaya... bhai ache kaam bhi ho rahe hein mulk mein itne bare bare kaam ho rahe hein humara media sirf negative hi show karta hai.. objective reporting nahi hai yehi haal logon ka hai.. logon ko sirf burayi nazar aati hai.. jise dekho mulk ki burayi karega PTI ki burayi karega... bhai apne biased glasses utar kar dunya ko dekho kitne ache kaam ho rahe hein.. Amir kitna bhi bura ho but us ne apni best effort ki hai since his comeback.. he has hardly missed games.. usko itna bura ragra lagaya hai ke woh haath jor raha hai bas aur ragra nahi do logon ke baat hi samajh nahi arahi.. Amir bhi human hai he has capacity.. aur horse ko horse ki tarah use karna chahye aur ghade ko ghade ki tarah.. Amir is our race horse... we must utilize him carefully... he still has good 3-4 years in him atleast..
     
  4. SwingNSeam
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    SwingNSeam Boom Boom

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    Firdous right on the mark like Amir and his back of the length bowling at times.
     
  5. thair9999
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    thair9999 Emerging Player

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    You can't rate a limited bowler equal to Waqar Younus, Shoaib Akhtar and Mohd Asif. He himself admitted to be limited by refusing to play Test. You can argue as much as you want, but it is a fact that if he can't play Test then he is note complete bowler period.
     
  6. Shahzad.Firdous
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    His best years were wasted, when he came back he played consistently in all formats for last 4-5 years, he was given a tough work out by Mickey Arthur. He is 27 i guess but his mind and body has undergone stress of a 35 year already... He has 3-4 years of good cricket left in him at best. He can only play short formats now. Cus, its like making an engine work after a gap of 5 years. His body was fresh when he was 19 year old. Credit goes to Mickey too for reactivating his body and mind but Mickey should have known when to give his best bowler a bit of rest too./ You give a workout as well as rest to your players. He was not 19 that he could take such a workout easily..
     
  7. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Amir is actually 29 i guess right now..
     
  8. s_h_a_f
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    Given tough workout by Mickey? This is a sport not nursery. [email protected] stress of 35yr old.
     
  9. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Sport hai its cricket its not athletics.. even very unfit players used to hit double centuries... and fittest of them get out after scoring a quick fire 30 odd,...

    Har player ko ragra nahi diya jaata har player ko easy nahi rakha jaata.. har individual player ki need aur uski fitness ko dekh kar usko ragra diya jata hai... state in which Amir was he needed ragra as well as rest cus he was coming after a 5 yr gap.. Arthur put too much pressure on his body.. result is his body gave up after 4-5 years... whereas if he had given him limited ragra according to his capacity, he would be playing next 2 world cups. There are 3 formats in modern cricket and a player can maximum concentrate on either test cricket or shorter formats. In my opinion, Pakistan should adopt a strategy of different players for different formats. You dont have Anderson playing limited overs cricket. In my opinion, Amir has done the right thing by leaving test cricket. He did a Shahid Afridi.
     
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    I think Asif charsi was the most naturally talented pace bowler we produced after Wasim.

    Unfortunately the dumb eff paindu couldn’t handle fame n money.
     
  11. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Asif charsi was talented but Amir is consistent and was consistent.. bacha tha galat haathon mein phans gaya tha Amir ki itni galti nahi thi Amir ka career bhi Asif aur Salman ne kharaab kar diya... Asif was talented whereas Amir was talented as well as consistent.. After his return, he lost in a bit of skill but his even more consistency has made up for this loss in skill... i would take a consistent person over a more talented one cus consistent person will produce consistent results which you need when you are looking to build a team for next 20 years... Amir's consistency has allowed Pakistan to build a team for next 10 years atleast...
     
  12. Shahzad.Firdous
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    5 saal punishment buhat hote hein eik cricketer ke career specially jab us ne apni cricket start ki ho... cricketer naya naya cricket mein aaya ho sab kuch dekh raha ho it is new for him and it was such a tragedy losing Amir. If I was judge in this case, I would have given Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif punishments but I would have let Amir go cus he was just a 19 yr old.. log khete hein he was let off.. he wasnt.. 5 yrs in a cricketers career specially when he was starting his career was too much of a punishment imo...

    Cricketer ke career mein years kitne hote hein? Mushkil se 10 saal 15 saal 20 saal...

    Thing with Waqar Younus and Shoaib Akhtar was that they only had pace and reverse swing whereas Wasim Akram, Mohd Asif and Mohd Amir are intelligent people who know how to work a batsmen out. All of these 3 were somewhat corrupt but Asif was the most irresponsible out of these and probably most talented too. Whereas, Wasim Akram was skillful, talented as well as responsible. Amir was just a young guy who was extremely talented. He got used by his senior players who wasted his precious 5 years. On his return, people say they havent seen the same Amir but I would say I have a seen a more responsible, mature and respectable Amir than what he was in his youth. Youth to aati hai aur chali jaati hai its like a fire...
     
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    The years lost were due to fault of his own. He may have more years left then 3-4 years, but Pakistan should not select him just because he lost those years. PCB went overboard to reinstate him and he is the one should be returning favor. Pakistan team did fine after the retirement of Imran, Wasim and Waqar and many other greats and can definitely can survive without Amir.

    As you said "aur horse ko horse ki tarah use karna chahye aur ghade ko ghade ki tarah.", Micky was smart and he did use Amir like a donkey he was.
     
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    He is not even in top 5 bowlers Pakistan produced. I would personally not even put in top 10 Pakistani bowlers.
     
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    I stopped reading past 'better than Waqar'

    Pre-ban Amir was very very good but even then Asif better. Post ban Amir...chor do
     
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    The years were lost more due to his senior's fault than his own fault. He has more than returned PCB their favor by not missing games, being consistent and being there for the team when it matters. PCB should select him and Amir himself gave the same statement couple of days ago that it was a mistake playing all 3 formats after returning from ban. He should have tried tests first and when he felt comfortable then played in other formats. He says that he has good 5-6 years left in him if he concentrates only on shorter formats.
     
  18. Shahzad.Firdous
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    He is still your race horse not a donkey. It was Mickey's mistake treating him like one. Aur team players se hi chalti hai. Pakistani aur Indians mein farq hi yehi hai.. Indians Sachin ko even God maante hein cricket is religion there and cricketers their superstars whereas here in Pakistan, we dont value our stars. We do politics with them instead. This is the reason our players are not loyal to us therefore...
     
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    Whatever Amir was, is and will be is because of the Pakistan. He can never returned their favor. He already got special treatment and does not need anymore.

    Its all BS that it was senior's fault, he could easily not have bowled those no balls. And don't say he was naive, someone marked as smartest cricket of new generation can't be that stupid.
     
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    In T20I cricket he is our best fast bowler for sure, but not in ODI and Test formats.
     
  21. SwingNSeam
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    @Shahzad.Firdous thoughts?
     
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    When u talk in overall context, your point of view is different... then you are talking about all the best bowlers produced by Pakistan... just like when i am selecting an All Time Best Innings played by Pakistanis I select Imran Khan's World Cup 92 Final innings cus it was the best in overall context cus it won us a World Cup final. But, if you speak from batting perspective obviously Saeed Anwar's 194 and Fakhar Zaman's Champions Trophy 100s were enormous. It depends on the context in which we are speaking.
     
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    But u didn't acknowledge nor counter his point
     
  24. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Some arguments are better left uncountered cus they are going to create further arguments and its a cycle.. nobody is going to agree on a single point so there is no use.. my top 10 bowlers produced by Pakistan is as follows:

    1. Wasim Akram
    2. Mohd Amir
    3. Shoaib Akhtar / Saqlain Mushtaq / Mohd Asif
    4. Imran Khan
    5. Waqar Younus
    6. Saeed Ajmal / Shahid Afridi
    7. Mushtaq Ahmed
    8. Yasir Shah
    9. Mohammad Zahid
    10. Aqib Javed / Mohd Sami
     
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    @SwingNSeam why i rate Amir so highly as compared to Waqar Younus and some others. Its about how intelligent you are as a bowler and as a cricketer. Waqar Younus and Shoaib Akhtar had raw pace whereas likes of Wasim Akram, Mohd Asif, Mohd Amir and Saqlain Mushtaq had a cricket mind... they knew all the time what batsmen was up to and were always one step ahead of the competition particularly if u watch that Saqlain Mushtaq vs Sachin Tendulkar Chennai tests both innings it was the battle of the 20th century,.. in the end, youth won against the old....
     
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    Since it is yours top 10 you can have whomever you want. I love how you have 14 in top 10.

    Realistically Mohd Amir (wasted talent), Mohammad Zahid (short career) and Mohd Sami (brain freeze) do not belong in top 10. Fazal Mahmood (father of Pak Fast bowling, check his stats) and Sarfraz Nawaz (when you talk about cricket brain) should always be in top 10 Pak bowler or at minimum Fazal Mahmood.
     
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    14 bowlers in top 10

    wah wah
     
  28. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Just read till Yasir Shah at most...
     
  29. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Mohd Sami had couple of very good years under Inzamam. He was acting as the support as well as lead pacer for Pakistan alongwith Shoaib Akhtar and Mohd Asif.
     
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    Sami's best series were India tour in 2005 and England homes series in 2005.
     
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    Fazal Mehmood aur Sarfraz Nawaz mere zamane ke nahi hein is liye mein ne unko include nahi kiya..
     
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    Nobody gave him a tough workout. This is just an excuse. It he’s own fault that he is no longer the bowler he was at the beginning of he’s career.

    PCB invested in him a lot to get him back in the side after he’s ban - he is very lucky to be playing cricket again. This besharam goes & retires from Test cricket. We don’t need him.
     
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    Dictator type coaches never work in Pakistani system.. Arthur was a dictator, players therefore rejected him, Javed Miandad tried to be dictator, players rejected him too.... Bob Woolmer was friendly and democratic with players, he was the most loved coach ever, Misbah is also soft with players therefore he will do a great job with these players for a long term imo.. Misbah should stay Coach for next 2 World Cups imo unless something goes horribly wrong,.. he should stay as Coach till 2027 World Cup if you really want your cricket to change and come upto world standard...
     
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    Amir will be part of limited overs team till 2027 World Cup imo... he will somehow manage... other players will retire after 2023 World Cup,, likes of Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz etc...
     
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    Dictator can work as a stop gap arrangement and can achieve a particular purpose but can not be a permanent solution...
     
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    And we let his heart explode.
     
  37. Shahzad.Firdous
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    It was a tragedy... your best bowlers got banned just before the tournament - Shoaib Akhtar and Mohd Asif, selectors did not pick Asim Kamal in odis aur Misbah ko to waise hi select nahi kiya pure tenure mein... they could have easily opened the innings with Misbah if there was no place for him in middle order..
     
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    LOL
     

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