Name your preliminary squad to England

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  1. ghulam35
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    No Mohammed Yousaf, Younis Khan, Kamaran Akmal, Shahid Afridi and Shoaib Malik, they will be considered if they sort their differences out. More to follow.

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    If Only but A Man's allowed to dream, right?
     
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    What is the source of this list?
     
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    the source?
     
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    Meaning where did you get this from. The Site Address
     
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    No source. It is wishfull thinking from the OP, as far as I can tell.
     
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    If Only but A Man's allowed to dream, right?
     
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    Pacman is right, its just wishful thinking as i said at the end of thread 'If only but a man's allowed to dream, right'
     
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    well i guess Younus n Yousuf mite make it to Eng. if dey dont i dont c Pak competing against Aus n Eng there. conditions in England would suit pacers derfor i would pick 4 fast bowlers n leave out kaneria.strangely, Asim kamal hasnt found a place in the 35 yet again. After all dis disaster of Aus n SL tours i wonder what would knock sense into selectors n boards minds. dis will be my squad:

    Pak squad for Eng tour
    First playin 11
    Salman Butt, Imran Farhat / Fawad Alam, Younus Khan, Yousuf, Umar Akmal, Zulqarnain (keeper), Abdul razzaq, Shahid Afridi (C), Aamer, Asif, Irfan
    Reserves : Yasir Hameed, Kamran Akmal (as batsman only),Mohd SAmi, Kaneria, Rehman, Umar Amin (i like this youngster)

    well after kamran akmals four droped catches against Aus in Sydney, we gota realise we cant play him in tests as a keeper now. however, his batting is outstanding therefore he can make it into the team purely as a batsman and his chances to play as a batsman should be further enhanced if senior palyers are not available
     
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    kamran akmal is very good batsman, he should play, niow pakistna should play with 2 wicketkeepers. one can be the bacck up adn other can take his palce if he dsont perform good. But akmal is very god playing with spiners in keeping he always get ss teh stump off
     
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    Kamran and Butt are good Openers.... they should continue. Middle order i am confused since we dont know if malik and younis are gonna be chosen in afridi.

    but def. i woulld include umar akmal at 4... umar amin at 5... and afridi at 6... razzaq at 7... then the bowlers
     
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    Personally I wouldnt include Razzaq in the test side, his bowling isnt great and his batting is mainly slogging, his great for limited overs cricket but doesnt really earn a place in the test side.

    I think the selectors would like to see him play 4 day cricket in county to see how he fares before considering him.
     
  12. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Rizzy, we do need an allrounder n if u dont count Abdul Razzaq who is the best bbet at the moment, then the options available are Yasir Arafat and Hammad Azam. The reason we need allrounders is because we should play a 5 men bowling attack in order to pick 20 wkts in a test just like Eng does
     
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    1.salman butt
    2.yasir hameed
    3.younis khan
    4.shoib malik
    5.umar akmal
    6.kamran akmal
    7.s.afridi
    8.mohammed amir
    9.danish kaneria
    10.gul
    11.mohammed asif
    12.fawad alam
    13.mohammed irfan
    14.mhammed sami
    15.s.akhtar
    16.abdur rahman
    17.saeed ajmal
    18.abdur razzaq
     
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    "i thing u guyz forget yasir hameed"
     
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    @ Shahzad.Firdous welcome to the forums,

    I think Rana is a better all rounder, Razzaq is a bits and pieces player, he is great for say the last 5 overs in an innings in ODIs and T20 but in tests I dont think he will be much use for batting, his bowling has been on the decline for a number of years with his variations and pace.

    Nowadays he only gets wickets by players thinking he is the weak bowler so they go for a big shot and get caught at the boundary. This isnt gonna happen in tests especially against England who play orthodox cricket in tests so wont really go for big shots.

    Rana has played successfully for a number of years on these same pitches, has great variations and tricks and can bat, he would be an ideal choice if we were to have a bowling all rounder (seeing as though many bans are being removed I would assume his will aswell), Yasir Arafat is similar to Razzaq in his bowling (slow and easy to pick off).

    Hammad Azam could be one in future but atm he needs to play in first class cricket. We have always depended heavily on our bowling attack and with the likes of Aamer/Asif/Gul/spinner (Ajmal/Kaneria/Rehman) we are more than capable of taking 20 wickets, not also forgetting that Afridi is also a wicket taking bowler.

    The question is do we really need a sixth bowler in the side assuming we play 4 specialist bowlers and Afridi?

    With our frail batting line-up i personally would go for a proper batsman.
     
  16. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Thanks Rizzy,
    First of all reason I pick Razzaq is cus he has been a reliable allrounder for us at test level too and has done a reasonable job at test level. And i think u missed the count. Including Razzaq we have 5 specialist bowlers not 6 and des days as pitches have eased out u need 5 bowlers in a test match rathar den 4 cus u mite bowl out a side first tyme around but u will strugle to bowl dem out 2nd tyme as we can see in ongoing test between Eng n Bang and also dats exactly wot hapened to us in d entire test series in Aus specially in sydney test! we only had 4 options in r attack derfor we need allrounders.
    On Rana, his ability with the bat is not as good as expected from a No. 7 n he is one player i hate most. we couldnt win Champs Trophy jsut cus of rana naved n its cus of him we dint do well in ODI series against Aus either. If Mohd Sami had played in his pplace in Aus with d confidence he had gained from his performance in Sydney Test he surely would have done well for d team n for himself too. when a player does well, he needs consistent chance. dats exactly wot Eng has been doing . we see d example of Broad. in early stages of his career he was showing promise but only used to pick couple of wkts but Eng persisted with him when he seemed to be growing up in his role.
    So conclusion is dat if we dont pick Razzaq , den Yasir Arafat is stil an option cus he knows Eng conditions well but hasnt performed at dis level. he did well once on his test debut in India n picked 4 quick wkts which shows dat if he gets conditions to suit him he can pick wkts which he will get in eng for his liking.
    And I think its also tyme for Hammad Azam if he is gud enuff! we seriously need a pace allrounder in d team at test level
     
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    Correct me if im wrong, but we will most likely play 3 pacers and a spinner as our specialist bowlers like we did against Australia.

    Gul,Aamer and Asif and Kaneria makes 4 bowlers, then we also have Afridi which adds up to 5 bowlers, do we really need Razzaq as sixth bowler when we will be much better off playing a specialist batsman.

    Its maybe too early at this stage for Hammad considering he hasnt played that many first class/list A matches. From what he has played he averages 17.9 in 6 first class matches and 21.1 in 10 List A matches.
     
  18. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Rizzy,
    Gul hasnt performed too well in tests and therefore by palyin him we r struggling. Therefore, tall Irfan will most likely get his chance in england n he will be d surprise weapon for us. English conditions generally suit pacers more n as Razzaq has slown down in pace so if we dont pick him den it mite be tyme for Hammad Azam. Yasir Arafat has no perfomance to his name other than his debut 4 wkt haul agaisnt india in 2007 but he does well in helpful conditions from what we know so he can be considered as well.
    n my pick for 5 bowlers would be following:

    Asif (No. 1 bowler in the world), Aamer, Irfan, Shahid Afridi, Razzaq/ Arafat / Hammad

    inclusion of Afridi means kaneria is gona miss out in conditions which suit pace bowling . we can play with two spinners on turning pitches like India
     
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    I agree with you regarding Gul not being successful so far in tests but playing Afridi as the sole spinner in the side isnt a wise choice, his bowling hasnt been anywhere near his usual stuff this year and especially as people are thinking that even Ajmal wont be able to deliver in tests even though he has been in great form. i dont think Afridi will be the only spinner having not played a test for 4 years.

    Besides the English arent known for being great players of spin. :D
     
  20. Shahzad.Firdous
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    In English conditions, spinners are not required much on first two days so Afridi can play as sole spinner and I think he is good enough. His bowling has improved so much and we saw that in Abu Dhabi against Aus and also in last 2,3 yrs. He can play as sole spinner
     

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