Not "a gora" who knows English completely, my job is to play cricket: Babar Azam

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  1. Munna
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    Babar Azam hits back at Tanvir Ahmed who earlier this week said this:
    In response, Babar said:
    Is English really an imperative skill to learn in Cricket unlike other sports?
     
  2. isaacking
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    No

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  3. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Being a Captain, it is important if not completely necessary. You are carrying the image of the country!!
     
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  4. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Babar must work on his English for sure! Dont act dogmatic! Learn it as it is the need of international cricket specially being Captain! You wont learn it overnight, it will take time but work on it for sure!!
     
  5. Mohammed Bilal
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    Lots of players in sport they don't speak English and instead speak their own language and the people of their country take pride in them. Unfortunately the majority of Pakistanis are not among these people. I'd say to Babar that because you play for Pakistan it's best you try and learn English because the 24 hour media in Pakistan is more bothered about what you say at the toss and at the presentation than your batting performance or captaincy. However he certainly shouldn't feel pressured to use English and then speak like Sarfraz and become the butt of jokes. The best thing is the PCB get a good interpreter and Babar carry on with his focus on batting. Anyhow he's got one year. That's 365 days as captain so he doesn't need to learn English. First he needs to focus on captaincy and batting. Over four or five years and seasons in county cricket he will learn English.

    As for personality Babar doesn't dress like I would want him to however he dresses like every young guy does these days. I really have no idea what Tanvir is asking Babar to do? Babar is a shy guy. Leave him alone. Also they support Sarfraz. Am I missing something here? Babar is millions of times better than Sarfraz personality wise.

    One player we have and they are hell bent on ruining him. It's madness. And the people who give these people their own time are also a dizgrace.
     
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  6. Choi Saab
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    Simple answer is no.

    I just don't understand the obsession of knowing and speaking English fluently, like what objective does that serve?

    Are we saying cricket is an 'English language, specialist game'?

    What matters is results and team building which have nothing to do with what language you know.

    End of the day, Babar needs to reach out to his players and fans and they understand him perfectly.

    Rest of the cricket world will only care about his results and not what he says.
     
  7. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    Learning English is a freaking useful skill that helps you navigate through the complex international arena.

    It's like a doctor saying,,, OK my job is to see patients and so now I don't give an EFF about learning how to drive a car.

    Please don't make it a question of your ego and try to hide your nikamma pan under the notion of playing cricket only.
    Show some signs of intelligence and a sharp mind, and learn to speak basic English to simply better equip yourself with another useful tool.
     
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    Either ppl are reading the complete statement of Babarazam or are just want to paint him bad.

    Babarazam has said that he is learning it and it will happen with time.

    Please read and comment.

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  9. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    it’s more towards the people who claim that he should just play cricket and not learn any other skill that could help him navigate in the international arena.
     
  10. MNA
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    As my ex used to say apprendre une nouvelle langue est toujours bon.

    She left but I can still speak French!
     
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    He managed well so far without it didn't he? Shahzad Firdous appears to know English well but he did not manage to become the Captain. So speaking English is not necessary and we should not be complex about it. If Babar does learn there is no harm in it though.
     
  12. Patriot
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    who is Tanveer Ahmed ?
     
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    Someone who is good at spoken English and may be having a good personality but lack morality and mannerisms of not attacking national captain's persona in the disguise of giving advice.

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  14. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    hein ??
    WTH does that suppose to even mean?

    "complex" what the heck it has got anything to do with any complex?
    No, there is no complex.
    Having good multilingual communication skills is not bad to have under your belt, but I guess you may be coming from a school of thought where one believes that, learning English is NOT good for Pakistani players so that when they get sledged at in Australia, they wouldn't know what the heck has been said to them?
     
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    No I am not against learning other languages. My problem is that people start gauging the players based on how fluent they are in English rather how good they are in Cricket. I don't see any Australian Players learning Urdu because we sledged them in Urdu or Hindi (in India). Majority of the people who cheer for Pakistan team and support them do not know any English. Pakistan people love these players for their skills not because they can speak fluent English.
    It is complex, when we have to learn it to please others not for the betterment of our own.
     
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  16. Passionate Pakistani
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    Pakistanis have some kind of inferiority complex when it comes toEnglish.

    So many Top level European Managers and Players speak in their native language in Premier league and no one cares rather it is translated for all.

    Here we make a big fuss of it. Its an additional skills, necessary nowadays but not everything. Eventually your performance speaks for you.

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  17. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    Let's say you are an excellent software developer.
    why would you learn how to drive? Just use a donkey ride to go to work. There is nothing wrong in it.
     
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    He isnt wrong though tbf. I remember when I was in Pakistan a few years ago (this was when the polio situation was such, that you needed polio certificate before you travelled back from Pak to the UK). So I was at the hospital in Islamabad, waiting in line for something. Suddenly someone cuts ahead of me. I (in Urdu) say that theres a line, go to the back...nothing. I then got angry and forcefully highlighted to him that theres a line (may have thrown in a few 'jaahil log' comments too admittedly)...nothing, he didn't care. I then switched to English (obviously in my British accent) and suddenly this seemed to have an affect on him and he went back.

    If was as if 'apni zubaan, so what...wah English? No problem sir, my apologise sir, yes sir'.
     
  19. Passionate Pakistani
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    Exactly. Everyone is attentive towards you when ypu speak in english as if you are some special creature. Pakistanis are greatly influenced and inspired from England and English culture.

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  20. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    This is NOT what we are talking about.
    First, you are not someone who is captaining Pakistan and has to meet international press on regular basis - you also cannot afford to have a 24/7 translator with you unless you want to use google translate.

    Second, you are talking about an incident that happened INSIDE Pakistan.

    Again, this is NOT what we are talking about.


    Try to get the grasp of situation.
    Speaking in Urdu should ** NEVER ** be a shame for a native speaker. This is NOT what we are talking about here.

    But for someone at a leading position who travels extensively INTERNATIONALLY, it's a good tool to have basic English speaking skill under your belt.
    Seriously, how hard is it to understand?

    We are NOT talking about speaking English in Pakistan to bog down the fellow paindus. That's a totally different scenario. I am totally against that mindset as well.

    Being a desi, when you sign up for a job in UK, the contract doesn't ask to speak English at the work place. Correct?
    So from now on, speak Urdu or Punjabi or Kashmiri or Potohari with higher management and in the meetings at your work place.
    Tell them, that they have to learn Urdu or arrange a translator if they want to communicate with you. You should have no excuse, no?

    See What I am saying?
    I have voiced my opinion at various YouTube videos when Paindu desi women upload the recipe of something like "Aalu gosht" and they use terms like, ismay two tea spoon tomato, aur yahaan pe hum ney aik spoon salt leyna hai, aur ye black pepper aur ye milk aur yeh yogurt aur four potato...
    I always tell him, why would you even use these terms? Don't we have "Timater aur Namak aur Kaali mirch aur doodh or dahi or chaar or aalu" words in Urdu?
     
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    My post was A RESPONSE/RELATED to what PsP said ( inferiority complex when it comes to English).

    Btw the issue re speaking English in the workplace is an implied condition (since you asked)
     
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    This is completely different. A Workplace is different. Because you work for Them, they expect you to communicate in English if it is a decent job. I hope you understand what I mean by decent. Anyways because Babar is not 'working' for the international press he doesn't need to learn English. He's a Pakistani player, The PCB are his 'employers' and the PCB will be ready to provide their best player with a translator. He understands English btw. He can also speak English a bit. English isn't a hard language and he will in 4 to 5 years learn it without pressing himself. In a year or two he will be able to have basic conversations at the toss and post match captain's summary in English. No one really watches the post match press conference so it doesn't really matter what language he speaks as long as he gets his point across clearly. If he tries your method of trying to learn it all by tomorrow then...... it's silly really.

    You also mentioned the doctor who can't drive. Well having a car is essential. Babar speaking English will be useful but not essential in completing his job. If you don't have a car how can you go to work? Hence you can't do your job. If Babar can't speak English he should not have 16 hundreds. As for captaincy he is captaining Pakistani players who will understand him. English only comes in handy when you are speaking to the press and sometimes, very rarely when you interact with the opposition but look at Babar and the opposition would want to learn from him rather the other way around also guys who don't speak Urdu claim to have spoken to Babar, guys like Sanga, Mike (saffer commie), Micheal Slater etc.

    As for cross player communication. I was watching Jimmy Anderson and Steyn talk about their career's and believe it or not they said they hardly ever spoke about cricket. They only had a few beers after a series ends and that's it. Steyn even said he admired Anderson but he never had the opportunity to learn from him. So that's that...
     
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    YES PsP and YOU need to understand that my posts are NOT about "speaking of English related to inferiority complex among paindus".
    When someone encourages Baber to learn English as a handy tool under your belt while you are on the international scene, it does NOT automatically mean that we are talking about English and inferiority complex.
     
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    cricket ground is your work place - cricket related press conferences are your work place. And mostly in both cases you get paid for it. It's part of the job.

    And yes, you can do a donkey ride to go to work/travel around etc is. It's not only our heritage but a Sunnah too.

    You should stick to it proudly, just as you would proudly stick to speaking Urdu at work place - matter of fact, wear shalwaar Qameez and lungi as well at your work place. There is nothing wrong in it.

    Learning how to drive and having/using a car to go to work is a useless tool/skill that should not effect your software programming skills that you are good at.
     
  25. Mohammed Bilal
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    If you can't get to work you can't do your job. So you have to learn how to drive. You come cross as being quite extreme in your views and quite idiotic tbh. If I live in Stoke and my workplace is in Crewe. Right that's a 20 min drive. If I use the train that would take hours. Now if that's the only place I can get a job I will need to learn how to drive otherwise I can't do my job. Babar can still do his job without learning English although yes it is a slightly useful thing to learn. Yes you are right my job and driving may be unrelated but if I can't drive I can't do my job because if the journey is going to take 4 hours then... however if Babar doesn't speak English yes the trolls may come after him but he'll still be able to do his job although it will perhaps include a few akward moments from time to time in fact in his native language he will be able to express his feelings more clearly. Now do not quote me. You call others a paindu but quite honestly you top that list.
     
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    The idea is, learning an additional skill that relates to your work and or social environment but not directly to your job, HELPS!
    Lets leave driving alone. Being a software developer has got nothing to do with you having a CPR skills. So if someone at your work place gets a suffocation and needs a CPR, your skill may help them and help you. Same goes with having a skill of swimming, for example.

    The issue here is this mindset that "speaking and learning English for ANY and EVERY desi person, automatically relates to him having some sorta complex with speaking in Urdu". WTF is this?
    And frankly, many including yourself seem to have signs of this mindset.

    Seriously, say Kohli or Rohit Sharma speak in English during an international tour's press conference or match ceremony, does that mean they automatically have a complex in speaking in Hindi?? I seriously can't believe it.
     
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    Okay I completely understand what you mean. However since the PCB has given him 1 year. English would not come as a important priority.

    Here is all places English is used

    Captain toss
    Captain summary
    Post match press conference
    Talking to match referee, umpire
    Talking to opposition players

    Now like I've said Babar understands English and can speak English in parts but it's a bit embarrassing so I think he can communicate with the umpire/match referee and with opposition players when no one is watching although when everyone is watching his English may become embarrassing hence why he will use an interpreter although I believe that Babar should definitely learn English but over a period of time so he is not pressurised, but first he should look to dominate with his captaincy.
     
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    There is another angle to it. And it's only for our own benefit.

    I firmly believe that starting from high school level, every student in Pakistan should be able to learn, read and understand English language, NOT because someone may or may not have an inferiority complex, but a bitter fact of the matter is, we are a third world country, and learning English is incumbent upon us because mostly all modern day science and technology research is published in English. The gora people are not going to translate their modern research papers for us in Urdu.

    So if we want to take advantage and continuously update ourselves with that modern scientific knowledge being transferred into our academic circles then we MUST learn English. Right now, we have only a few people who are capable of going through the new research and update themselves.

    Otherwise, it's a very hard task to translate new research publications from English to Urdu so that general body of students in Pakistan can take advantage. I mean we simply don't have the vocabulary even at basic school level scientific terms. The outdated physics, biology chemistry books are in English in our schools. There is a reason for that. We don't have the scientific terms in Urdu to translate.
     
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    I didn't watch the interview but now the cat is out of the hat.

    Watch it @17:05

     
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    How English speaking relates to Babar not doing his job, he already have most of the skills.

    Yeah sure learning another language is not a problem. Problem is, making it sound that you cannot do your job without it when your job does not even require it. Comparing it to accepting the Job in UK and US is not the same, the players in Cricket team are selected based on their talent.

    What I do not understand is, the majority (may be more then 70% ) of the people who support the team do not understand the English. Pakistan team plays for the Pakistani people so why should learning a foreign language is so important when people you represent do not know a word you are saying. Why Interviews given in your own Language is a problem? If the translators are needed, they are for GORAS not for Pakistani people.
     
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    you seem to have inferiority complex
     
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    that's better than looking like someone with sun glasses who has skipped a shower in weeks.;)
     
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    That's not him. Lol
     
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    That's not @Patriot lol, but I can vouch for Patriot that he is a very beautiful man, no doubt.
     
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    His stubborn comments make him look like that if you try to imagine his looks. You know, under aur bahir sey jalla huva. I am sure he is even uglier. :)
     
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  36. Choi Saab
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    Harsh man. Don't take it so serious.

    @Patriot is a really good guy.
     
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    leave him lol

    theres a reason I have this troll ft. 12 year old on block here

    this is what he do here

    log in

    bash pakistan

    bash pakistanis

    log out

    sleep

    repeat

    I feel bad for his soul, will make dua tonight iA
     
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    im actually flattered u think im the coolest dude in Pakistan

    note @SwingNSeam @Red Devil
     
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    I just don't like the current generation cricketers in our country, they are not charismatic, some are over mashrot, have unimpressive personalities, which has decreased my interest in cricket big time. Babar Azam may have great stats, but he is not in my list of favourite cricketers, mainly because of his uncharismatic personality. English doesn't matter much to me, but if a captain can speak it then it is not bad.
     

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