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Pakistan’s top 3 averaging 50+

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  1. iZeeshan
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    iZeeshan Whispering Death

    May 22, 2012
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    I mean...this is remarkable. 10 years ago as a fan I never thought I’d see the day.

    Has this been discussed? Is this well known, acknowledged, and realized? Do we understand how incredible it is for a team like Pakistan to have this?

    Amazing. Has this ever happened before? Does any other ODI team have this? This is after at least 20 ODIs by each player.

    Wow, I’m just amazed. Who is due credit for this? Unbelievable stuff.
     
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    In before a smart ass comment, I am obviously talking about ODIs only.
     
  3. Energy
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    Fakhar in danger of leaving the club. But agreed, this top three has been our best in history. Possibly the best ever. And all three have big futures ahead of them.

    Long may it continue.
     
  4. saiyan0321
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    This is what happens when you back your talent and you pick them at young age to secure your future and this can only happen when you don't try tried and tested failures like kamran or farhat...

    The team is gelling together and its young.. We can improve if they improve themselves..
     
  5. Mohammed Bilal
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    Chinese version of Rohit, Shikhar and Virat basically.
     
  6. Munna
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    Their conversion rate is brilliant and that helps them and ultimately the team.

    The only concern is, apart from Fakhar, the other two don't go big once they cross 70 esp Imam.

    Guys like de Kock, Rohit, Kohli, Warner never let their individual score affect their strike rates throughout the innings and this helps them score big daddy hundreds.
     
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    Impressive effort. Got to back them now and they’ll deliver.
     
  8. KingOfDoosra
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    The problem is, it's not that they don't want to go big. It's because they don't have the ability.

    If they start hitting out after their 70s-100s they will most likely get out in the next 10-15 balls. So they just continue to rotate the strike for players like Hafeez, Malik and Imad to hit.
     
  9. Inswinger
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    Pakistan really need a dynamic player at the number 4/5 spot. Babar is gonna keep you in the game and put runs on the board but his s/r will hover between 80-90. You need someone who can put the pressure on the bowlers with Babar holding up one end. That's one reason I want to stick with Zaman as an opener because he will go for his shots while Imam holds up one end. Babar needs a partner like that in the middle order. That is why we need to give top performers a chance. Someone like Umar Akmal with a working brain.
     
  10. ComradeVenom
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    Fakhar will drop to about 35-37 at a 90+ SR.

    Imam will be in the 38-42 range at at no more than 85 SR.

    Babar is the real deal. Could be a 45+ batsman with a SR over 90.
     
  11. iZeeshan
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    I want to pin this and check in 2 years. I think you’re wrong.
     
  12. ComradeVenom
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    I hope I am wrong too but even if my prediction is correct then they will have had very solid careers.
     
  13. ElRaja
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    has more to do with the era of cricket, two new balls, less fielders in the deep, more minnows around, truer pitches, rotation of best bowlers and general reduction in importance of non trophy odis.

    guys like anwar, jayasuriya, tresco, haydos, gangu, etc, etc, all would have averaged around 10 runs more per innings in this era, i have little doubt.
     
  14. saiyan0321
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    I also hope he is wrong but even if he is right those are pretty solid odi stats for us although I am betting they will do better.. They all need to improve and if they do we can have a solid top 3 in our batting for quite some time...

    However fakhat is crucial here.
     
  15. Energy
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    Doesn't matter for Fakhar to average above 50. Even if he drops to 40 at that SR it is still good enough.
     
  16. saiyan0321
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    An avg of 50 at 90-100 is beyond gold level stuff. Its that big. Teams would back any player with 35-95 stats and we, who don't have many batsmen, would back 30-100 for quick starts.. Such players on their day demoralize the opposition and provide a boost for the rest of the team..

    yesterday his score of 44 @ 100 strike rate provided us with an early boost, demoralized the opposition and cushioned imam's slow start by the time he got out imam was at SR 79-80.. He was set.
     
  17. Energy
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    Yes, and that's why it is always tempting to play him despite the form. If the batting line is strong it doesn't matter to have an inconsistent dasher at the top.
     
  18. KingOfDoosra
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    KingOfDoosra Sultan of Swing

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    I think the bigger issue is that since the Asia Cup, Fakhar is averaging 25.58 @ 80.57.

    We would all love to see Fakhar play 35 @ 90, but he doesn't seem that type of player anymore.
     
  19. Energy
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    Yeah the form seems to have dipped. He was starting to get into song in the last ODI but gave it away.
     
  20. Inswinger
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    He didn't look good in the last ODI either. Lots of edges. He will bounce back but it's not happening right now.
     
  21. iZeeshan
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    Disagree. He's the same type of player, just going through a rough patch. He will go back to his beastly ways soon, iA.
     
  22. Energy
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    I have a feeling that's how it will be for his career. Never really looks like he's settled but then plays a couple of cracking drives.
     
  23. Del
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    Pakistan's top 3 averaging 50 - I am not sure, because what I found based on their last 20 innings is a bit different (still its great from our standards).

    ENG
    Roy = 712(runs) - 35.6(avg)
    Hales = 591(runs) - 29.55(avg)
    Root = 782(runs) - 39.1(avg)


    NZ
    Guptill = 695(runs) - 34.75(avg)
    Munro = 434(runs) - 21.7(avg)
    Williamson = 817(runs) - 40.85(avg)

    IND
    Rohit = 1,220(runs) - 61(avg)
    Dhawan = 816(runs) - 40.8(avg)
    Kohli = 1,503(runs) - 75.15(avg)


    AUS
    Finch = 944(runs) - 47.2(avg)
    Khawaja = 583(runs) - 29.1(avg)


    SA
    Amla = 864(runs) - 43.2(avg)
    De Kock = 888 (runs) - 44.4(avg)
    Reeza = 313(runs) - 22.3(avg)


    PAK
    Imam = 1,082(runs) - 54.1(avg)
    Fakhar = 890(runs) - 44.5(avg)
    Babar = 680(runs) - 34.0(avg)

    Again, the above data in based on last 20 ODI's played by these players, so based on these numbers, Indian top 3 are at different level. However, Pakistani top 3 number seems unreal too - hope this thread wouldn't jinx things going forward.
     
  24. Energy
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    Babar only 34. That's surprising.
     
  25. KingOfDoosra
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    Babar's last century came in a ODI v Zimbabwe. That was his only century since over a year. He was shockingly poor in the two NZ series (home + away) and the Asia Cup.

    Not sure what's so surprising. His average is highly inflated by the centuries he scored against WI and SL in 2017.
     
  26. Inswinger
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    You might want to go back and look at those numbers again. His only shockingly bad series was the away series against New Zealand. He had a really bad patch of 10 or so matches that knocked the average down. His last 10 matches show that he's on his way back.
     
  27. KingOfDoosra
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    He had plenty of opportunities to reach 3 figures in this series aswell. Ended up throwing it away.

    Pretty 40s and 50s aren't sufficient for a player of his calibre.

    On current form Imam is the best batsman in the side.

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  28. Inswinger
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    Can't expect him to hit a 100 every time. I'll takes those 40s and 50s as well. If only a couple of more batsmen could give us those 40s and 50s.
     
  29. KingOfDoosra
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    A couple of centuries a year that too v ZIM/WI/SL is a poor outcome.

    I know he is the golden boy and no one can criticise him but even Hafeez used to score against weaker teams.

    I don't see much difference between him and 2011-15 Hafeez. The only difference is Hafeez was either a 0 or a 100 whereas Babar makes 30s-40s consistently.

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  30. Ahson8
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    Babar in home series vs NZ

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    How is that "shockingly poor" lol
     
  31. KingOfDoosra
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    Shockingly poor means his overall performance in key matches. He has 0 impact. I don't recall him ever winning us a single ODI against a good opposition or at least playing a major role in our win.
     
  32. Mohammed Bilal
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    Pakistan found one batsman and let’s criticise him, opposite people, the two best things to happen to Pakistan recently are Imran Khan and Babar Azam but we dont find peace with things going good, tujhe kya takleef hai if he’s making 30-40s?

    One poor series vs NZ that’s it, let’s narrow it down, take away the run out and a wrong LBW, thats 5-2 and leaves us with 3 failures, it’s a bit rich for Pakistan fans to complain about batsman who has failed in three innings but has otherwise been good. NZ series not one dismissal was proper, in Asia Cup second game he got ran out vs India and in Bangladesh game he was never gonna play well. Babar is top Odi player, 34 average is because of that NZ series away. These days he hardly gets LB anyways so he’s learnt and that’s what matters.

    Btw go check Inzis, Yousafs, Younis stats in SENA, Babar is averaging 56 and 57 in Australia and SA and even in NZ he has a 80 and 60.
     
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  33. Mohammed Bilal
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    So basically Imam century vs SL and Zimbabwe count but Babar’s don’t? Babar will always be the best batsman in Pakistan, it’s not even up for discussion, if we don’t agree you can go ask Steyn whose better, he’ll tell you whose better.
     
  34. Inswinger
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    There is no golden boy and I'll be the first to criticize him when it's warranted. But criticism for the sake of criticism is absurd. I'll take those 40s and 50s because they prevent us from doing what is all too common with Pakistan's batting, collapsing.



    Wanna take a crack at how many ODI hundreds Inzi scored in a career spanning over 15 years and over 350 matches?
     

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