Pakistan Cricket's Missing Link

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Pakistan Cricket's Missing Link

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by Ibrahim Moiz
Jun 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM
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    It’s commonly noted that a man don’t truly value something till it is gone. Fortunately for Pakistan, their once-enviable arsenal of seam-bowling allrounders is very much intact, only for a bemusing lack of attention from the selectors.

    So far on this tour Sri Lanka’s own pace-bowling allrounder, Thisara Perera, hit Pakistan where they once regularly hit ambushed opponents. A collection of savage wallops at the end of an innings, some lively spells of seam and swing—one of which, with 6 for 44 to cap off a crushing rout at Pallekele, marked the best figures ever by a bowler against Pakistan.

    This is the sort of role that Pakistan’s selectors and management in particular have taken for granted over recent years. The cupboard, at least in the current squad, is nearly empty; the closest is the strapping left-hander Sohail Tanveer, who has rediscovered his zip and swing of old but has yet to really make consistently significant impacts with those muscular leg-side pick-ups that highlighted his debuts in 2007. Is Tanveer worth his spot as a bowler alone? On form, perhaps, for he has bustled in with energy and moved his wrong-footed allsorts disconcertingly about in Sri Lanka so far; but unless Tanveer—or for that matter his Twenty20 new-ball partner Yasir Arafat, a first-class veteran who has never quite nailed down a national spot—performs with the bat, he lengthens a tail whose best batsman, quite alarmingly, is the bombastic but unreliable Shahid Afridi.

    One could argue that Pakistan fields too many allrounders at any rate, but none of them can really be relied on to deliver with the bat. Both Afridi and his off-spinning counterpart, Mohammad Hafeez, deserve their spots with the ball, less so with the bat. At his position, Afridi’s inconsistency is no major concern. However sporadically, he can turn around games in a whirl of hounding leg-breaks and muscular biffs, and that—especially considering that he has done so more frequently in the past couple of years—is worth something.

    Meanwhile Hafeez, if greatly improved from his uncertain flounders onto the international circuit, is not entirely convincing as an opener, though he has four centuries, one of them in Tests, over the past year and has certainly shown up some specialist rivals. This is a commendable improvement, but suspicion remains on Hafeez’s ability to tackle quality attacks, as well as the workload that consigns him regularly to throttling the trickiest stages of an innings with the ball. Would Pakistan be better off blooding a young opener, and shifting Hafeez down to steer the long tail? It may be an overreaction at this stage, but it is an option.

    The simpler option, without sacrificing a batsman or bowler, is to shift in a batsman who can bowl. An obvious candidate would be Hammad Azam, a clean striker whose composure as a finisher stood out in Pakistan’s 2010 U-19 campaign; if he hasn’t set any other stage alight, he has done little wrong in his international career to date. And little respect that his wicket-to-wicket seamers seem to command to Pakistan’s management, he probably offers far more upshot potential—both with ball, and, in one-day games, bat—than Younus Khan, the latest candidate for a third seamer role.

    Which brings Pakistan to what would perhaps be the most useful, at least in a conventional sense, addition. For years the third seamer has been filling in as a late-order hitter, a usually thankless role quite smartly filled in over the years by Abdul Razzaq, Rana Naved-ul-Hasan and Azhar Mahmood. Each plies his trade in overseas leagues nowadays, but, despite their ages, the wrong side of 30, each is exactly the sort of allrounder Pakistan are missing.

    Though none is entirely free of blame, they can claim to have been hard-done by. Mahmood, for instance, a sniping swing bowler and forthright hitter, was prematurely dropped and, according to a recent statement from selector Saleem Jaffar, his decade of experience at county level is worth nothing without an entirely academic, arbitrary stint in Pakistan’s own circuit.

    Rana Naved-ul-Hasan, as incisive with ball as he could be expensive, and usually pugnacious whenever an opportunity with the bat came his way, has yet to receive the exoneration for the nightmarish 2010 tour of Australia that has been granted his fellow teammates.

    The most revealing case, arguably, is that of Abdul Razzaq, who for a decade bolstered Pakistan with canny, thrifty and usually underrated seamers, as well as the late order with a versatile approach that could stonewall when needed and swipe, on a more regular basis than nearly any contemporary, a lethal barrage of long-handled thrashes at the tail end of an innings. If a somewhat lackadaisical attitude contributed to his omission, so did a remarkably careless sidelining at the 2011 World Cup, after which he was conveniently tossed aside.

    At a time when sides around the world are stocking up the gunpowder with such players, it seems a criminal waste for Pakistan, one of the pioneers in the field, to lag so far behind.
     
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      The lack of a pace-bowling allrounder is certainly a missing link if we look back at the history of our country and the service provided by the likes of Imran, Wasim, Azhar and Abdul Razzaq.

      Back in the days when Riaz Afridi was new on the International scene around 2003-2004 following a good first-class and Under-19 seasons, I thought he would take up the mantle, seriously. He's faded right away from contention and other than Hammad Azam, I'm unable to envisage any other candidate for the role which is dissapointing to say the least.
       
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      Bring in Hammad Azam he has talent.
       
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      Energy I had big hopes for Tanveer...and he's bowled pretty well today at tricky stages. But Tanveer needs to fire with the bat if he's taking an allrounder's spot
       
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      Well we just need a couple of good bowlers (fast) and a couple of good batsmen (aggressive ones) and we would be good. See what i can see is too much inconsistency within Pakistani ranks. Umar Gul is sometimes a very good and sometimes an extremely pathetic bowler. He can act as a second fiddle, but imo its too much to put the whole weight of bowling on him. Secondly we need a stable and aggressive opener and one in the middle.
       
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      Lack of clarity is the biggest issue with the role of 3rd seamer. No one from the selector to Captain knows what is required from this species of seamer.

      Are they suppose to complete their quote of overs or bat as a number 7 batsman? As batsman are they to become hitters or play like a batsman of pedigree?

      It is sad to say the least.
       
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      1137moiz; we know that but does Tanvir,Hammad or any other player who has played as 3rd seamer knows this requirement too? I'll go a step further & ask does the selectors also looking for this same requirement?

      My point was that the selector are not giving team management & players right directives & there is no one who is ready to take the bull by horn & seek a clarity from selectors.
       
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      Our lower order has never been the same since the Razzler was there...

      Is it about time he was brought back to bat at No 7?

      I can't remember very many better No 7s.
       
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      I've merged this thread here since they have the saem point
       
    10. Shahzad.Firdous
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      Cant this article by ibrahim moiz be put up for cricistan? Mercenary
       
    11. MR__KHAN__JI
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      Excellent article.

      A touch long but still excellent.

      We really need to find the right balance in our team.
       
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      Pakistan have about 6 missing links at the moment....
       
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      Missing link? I thought Afridi was the missing link between man and ape:D
       
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      I think the biggest missing link at the moment is a wicket keeper who can bat, I'd go as far as saying we have the worst out of all the Test playing nations.
       
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      Honestly I am not sure that Hammad has done much at all since his brilliant U19 WC 2010 to justify selection and I'm still not sure he deserved to be selected in the first place. But if we're talking about batsmen who can bowl and he's been selected, it baffles me why he has been played for 2-3 games and then dropped, that's no way to encourage any player especially a new one.

      Shoaib Malik would be a shoo-in except he's been in terrible form over the past year or so. Fawad Alam could also filll in here. But I think whoever it is should preferably be able to bowl seamers rather than spin since we have a battery of spinners

      Another option is to play Azhar, Shehzad, Jamshed up at the top and shift down an out-of-sorts Hafeez to the middle. I'm not sure how he'd adjust but I think it might be a good move for limited-overs games if he continues to struggle with the bat as opener.
       
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      I feel like you don't actually read my posts.

      He's played well at international level too whenever he's been given the chance! Give me an example of when he failed to do the part.

      No one is selecting him based on home. We want him selected based on his match winning efforts in U19 WC where he's clearly shown to absorb pressure and take Pakistan to the win. Not to mention his ability to smash the fast bowlers to the boundary (something we haven't seen in a while).
       
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      Hammad Azam showed glimpse against England with pure clean slogs, he deserves to be in the team.
       
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      iZeeshan. Fair enough the simple stats are bad on paper.

      Now let me break this down for you.

      In 2009 when Abdul Razzaq returned to the side he did (relatively) well with ball, and OK with bat on a couple of occasions. In Twenty20s he did very well throughout with bat AND ball so I won't comment on that as you can look up the simple stats. I'm just mentioning the good performances here as he has had a few failures, though no more or less than any other player

      1st game v SL: 10 overs, 2 for 33
      2nd game: 10 overs, 1 for 35
      3rd game: 30 off 26 balls

      1st game v NZ: 26 off 20 balls, 9 overs, 2 for 38
      2nd game v NZ: 10 overs, 2 for 60, 35 off 31 balls

      End of 2009: Abdul Razzaq had several useful performances with ball, and a handful of handy cameos with bat. In 5 games he played out of 6 he performed either with bat, ball or both

      Asia Cup 2010
      1st game: 8 overs, 1 for 27, 26* not out off 46 balls (Abdul Razzaq partnering Afridi in that rescue act)
      2nd game: 5 overs, 1 for 18
      3rd game: 21* off 9 balls

      3rd game v England: 31 off 24 balls, 7.4 overs, 2 for 38
      4th game v England: 44* off 20 ballls

      2nd game v South Africa: 109* off 72 balls
      4th game v South Africa: 33 off 38 balls
      5th game v South Africa: 39 off 40 balls

      End of 2010: Abdul Razzaq had an average of 56+ with the bat, exclusively down at the end of the innings. He was poor with the ball this year in patches, yet rarely ever bowled more than 4-5 overs (which to be fair were usually not up to much)

      4th game v New Zealand: 7 overs, 1 for 16; 23 off 18 balls
      6th game v New Zealand: 7 overs, 2 for 23 (this after NZ were rollicking at 7 an over halfway through the innings)

      World Cup, where Abdul Razzaq allegedly failed

      3rd game: 1 for 16 in 7 overs
      4th game: 62 off 74 balls (in fairness he bowled pathetically this game)
      5th game: 1 for 24 in 7 overs
      6th game: 2 for 8 in 4 overs, 20* off 24 balls as we beat Australia
      QF: 1 for 4 in 3 overs

      1st game v SL: 5 overs, 1 for 25
      2nd game: 7 overs, 1 for 18


      Now for the bare stats which are ordinary. But in at least half these games (21 out of 40 actually) Abdul Razzaq has received 5 or less overs. Do you REALLY expect any bowler to consistently make an impact (i.e. wicket) in less than 30 balls? If he did it's one of the greatest bowlers in history as the best bowlers have had S/Rs of about 30-35, and most bowlers have S/Rs of 35+. Fair enough on 2 or 3 occasions (such as the WC match v NZ) Abdul Razzaq deserved to be taken off. But in the majority of cases he bowled figures of say 4 overs, none for 18, or five overs, none for 23. That inflated his average immensely. If you look at games where he was given more than 5 overs, the record shoots down to 26.16 per wicket, 4.22 per over. Much better than any other stock bowler.

      As for bare stats, Hammad Azam's are eye-catching for their sheer poorness: 19 with bat, 76 with ball. It baffles me that you complain about Hammad being given few opportunities when he has been given the EXACT SAME TREATMENT as Abdul Razzaq. Personally I think Hammad did deserve more opps once selected, but I don't think he deserved selection ahead of the likes of Raza Hasan, Babar Azam, etc.

      Hammad has a total of 2 (YES TWO, no mkore) good tourneys in his career. One was the 2010 U19 WC where hperformed brilliantyl, and the next was the Tritournament in SL that Agusut. Since then (in nearly 2 years) he has literally done SQUAT yet his fans demand an automatic place in the team. His FC stats are ordinary to poor. He has a few good innings for Pakistan yes. But then so does Abdul Razzaq. I find it hypocritical and double-standards that Hammad's supporters claim he has not been given enough opportunity when the proven performer he is supposed to be replacing, Abdul Razzaq, has been given even fewer opportunities and done better
       
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      iZeeshan I merged this here since we were derailing Shahrukh's thread

      And btw I do wish Hammad Azam well, I think he's much better than his stats suggest and I especially enjoyed his knocks of 36 and 30. But he has done nothing else in the past 2 years, while a completely sidelined Abdulrazzaq has managed more than a few match-winning contributions that have either gone unnoticed or dismissed.
       
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      I will respond to everything 1137moiz but I just want to know - when has Hammad let the team down? I understand he's done squad but that's because 70% of the game he plays, he batted like 6 balls and did not even bowl an over. I don't even think that's an exaggeration.
       
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      iZeeshan the same applies to Abdul Razzaq. In the WC for instance he regularly batted below Afridi until the pressure situation of the SF where he was sent conveniently up (and failed). In 2010 Abdul Razzaq was our best one-day batsman as far as records go (Afridi, Fawad and Umar were next) and he was rewarded with a drop to Number Eight till the pressure came on. Not to mention he was consistently a very very decent bowler consistently sidelined.

      I don't think Hammad has ever let the side down. That 36 was a fine knock, so was the 30. I was initially against Hammad's inclusion (since he has nothing after 2010 to speak of on the FC stage) but once selected he deserved a longer run. But he's not an automatic pick by any standards. And I do think he's been very harshly dropped after playing some good roles.
       
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      the same may apply to Razzaq, but Hammad is not a horribly lazy fielder, in fact is a pretty good one and nor is he old enough to not play the next world cup and become even lazier in the field
       
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      It makes me chuckle when good cricketers are excluded because of their age. Not everything leads to the next WC, as a matter of fact we have a pretty solid "young" crop of players with Shehzad, Jamshed, Umar, Raza Hasan, Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali, Yasir Shah, etc. And half the side are crap fielders.

      Hammad has not let anybody down but I do think he's enormously fortunate to be picked ahead of the likes of Raza Hasan, Yasir Shah, Babar Azam, etc who actually have performed regularly since their U-19 stints and not relied exclusively on those.

      Anyway you'll see in my article Hammad is on the list of "batsmen who bowl", Malik (out of form) and Fawad (out of favour) also fall into this category.

      The likes of Mahmood/Abdul Razzaq slip into the "hard-hitting seamers" category which can easily coexist in the same XI as the above category of batsmen who bowl. See Perera, Maharoof and Mathews for Sri Lanka
       
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      It may make you chuckle but the fact is that no one remembers these odd little series that we play every now and then that you're trying to get Razzaq into. No one cares.

      Everyone remembers the world cup and that's what we should be aiming for. We want as many youngsters to have experience built up for the next world cup because our current crop isn't good enough. And how many of those youngsters actually play? Shehzad doesn't. Raza Hasan doesn't. Yasir Shah isn't exactly young. Shafiq is dropped every other day.

      And that's a pathetic excuse bro, I expected better from you. Half the side is filled with crap fielders so we should bring one more in? What a joke.
       
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      Who cares who remembers what? People remember Afridi more than they remember say Aamer Sohail or Abdur Rehman. It's match-winning contributions that count. If we win in South Africa next year, that's big since we've never done it. If we win in Australia or West Indies, that's big. Yes WCs matter but it's not the be-all and end-all.

      I've not seen much of Hammad but he's not brilliant in the field. In fact I remember people were fuming at a couple of misfields he had in the Asia Cup. So really filling in the fielder is not really an excuse. Azhar Mahmood and Rana Naved, for instance, are top fielders for their age. Fawad Alam is brilliant, Shoaib Malik and Afridi are pretty good. Hammad from what I've seen is just OK, nothing more.

      Personally, on merit I believe either Abdul Razzaq, Azhar Mahmood or Rana Naved deserves a call-up (though if they're going to be sidelined the way every seam-bowler allrounder has in recent years forget it). Hammad has ability, I firmly believe he's better than his stats or whatever say. He's played a couple of important knocks for Pakistan and grabbed an important wicket or two. However he's massively, massively fortunate to be selected in the first place on the back of minimal FC performance and that's why I get annoyed when people act like he's been hard-done by because he's fortunate to have been called up in the first place on the back of one or two good tournaments (and yes he was brilliant in those two tournaments but has nothing else to show). On potential I don't mind Hammad being selected as I said I think he's better than the stats say. But it's not an open and shut case by any standard
       
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      And by the by iZeeshan I won't complain if they bring Hammad Azam in to plan for young players. But I am tired of people whining "does XYZ captain hate Hammad?" He doesn't have an automatic entry to the Pakistan side. He's good yes but no better than the likes of Fawad, Salahuddin, Tanvir Ahmed, Shah, who were picked and dropped
       
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      1137moiz The reason people ask that because he does nothing wrong and gets dropped.

      Also, he had a couple of bad misfields, but he's energetic in the field and also a pretty decent one, IMO. From what I saw anyway. Razzaq is just horrid fielder who is lazy and just complains that he hasn't been picked when he has nothing to show for it in the domestic. I'm sorry but you still haven't disproven that.

      Also, since when has selecting by FC standards do us any good? It's just one of the many measures. IMO, Hammad's potential and mentality just much more powerful to get him into the side.

      All those characters that you mentioned I am extremely in favor of so I think we have the same mentality on a number of levels. You're right, technically Hammad hasn't done anything to be selected, but based on what we have seen, I really do think he is a shoo-in to the team. He's exactly what we need - rotates the strike, can hit the fast bowlers, is a pressure player (that doesn't really change at U19/International - it's a mentality) and is a young one for the future. If he doesn't work out, fine discard him after 10 games but he deserves a fair run.

      And what do you mean who cares who remembers what? Isn't that why we play and follow cricket? For the fans? For the world? To be touted as the best team in cricket? That can only happen if we win the world cup. Yes winning series in South Africa and Australia are important but all they are useful for is creating arguments for players who perform and don't perform and defending/attacking captains. It's a minor glory and then we move on. That's just the nature of ODIs.

      Everything is about the world cup. If you don't agree with that, then we'll agree to disagree, but I don't see how that results in us bringing Razzaq back who's been mediocre at best in the last two years.
       
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      Abdul Razzaq was key to the winning teams of England's T20 competitions in 2010 and 2011. Abdul Razzaq smashed 71* off 29 balls in the final of the 2010 T20 tournament in Pakistan. Abdul Razzaq did well with bat and ball in the 2009/10 T20 tournament for the Stallions who won. Abdul Razzaq also did pretty well in the Champions League last November. In addition he did OK in Pakistan's one-day local tournament, took regular wickets though was inconsistent with the bat. And he was unspectacular but OK in the Bangladesh tournament. Next!

      As I've said Abdul Razzaq has been given as few opportunities as Hammad (actually less considering the pair's respective credentials when they were in the team) and has not been mediocre at all. Several match-winning innings (and Pakistan's best record with the bat in 2010). He was critical to nearly every Twenty20 victory we had in 2009 and 2010. Fair enough I agree he was poor with the blade in 2011 but he bowled well despite minimal opportunity. Hammad by comparison has done next to nothing but is being hailed as a mistreated because he once hit Ravi Bopara for six, is young and can allegedly rotate the strike.

      Again if Hammad is selected I won't complain but on merit, not age, he has done next to nothing compared both to other allrounders as well as other youngsters. There are about a dozen fringe players in Pakistan, including Fawad, Yousuf, Abdul Razzaq, Rana Naved and Raza Hasan who have been trerated far worse yet we have a line of people whining about Hammad's exclusion (which I agree is even more unfair than his initial inclusion).
       
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      As soon as you said 2010 I stopped listening. That was way too long ago. And, please, don't insult me, he did NOT do well with the bat for the Stallions nor did he have any lights out performances that show that he's still got it. Plus what's the standard of this English touurnament anyway? Not sure what he did in Champions League so I can't comment on it.

      He couldn't produce in the most legitimate of tournaments - Big Bash, nor did he perform well in the most recent tournament - BPL. Not to mention, if he deserves an international recall, based on your criteria for Hammad (FC, etc) shouldn't Razzaq have been one of the best players for the Stallions? he wasn't even close.

      I'm not going to go back to 2009 especially for Razzaq. His average in 2010 was heavily boosted by that 109* and a bunch of not outs at the fag end of innings when he played 5 or 6 balls and couldn't produce. I understand that's not enough - but there's a reason for his inflated average.

      He's finished as a cricketer, the team doesn't need him

      And isn't rotating the strike and being able to absorb pressure something we badly need right now?
       
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      Sure but Hammad's last meaningful effort came in 2010 as well. See the double standards?

      You take away that 109* and Abdul Razzaq's average in 2010 was still over 35 (over 40 I think, I haven't checked). As for not out innings--it's ironic that you're saying this since Hammad is supposed to do the exact same thing, i.e., finish.

      I don't know if you remember but in February 2010 Abdul Razzaq did well with bat and ball for a very good Sialkot side. In October that year he blasted 71 off 29 in the final for Lahore, I'm surprised you didn't read that. Meanwhile here is a list of Hammad's brilliance since 2010:

      1-1 for 26 against West Indies--Abdul Razzaq has many similar performances
      2-36 (very composed knock) v West Indies--Abdul Razzaq has several such knocks in recent times, I've mentioned this in several posts now so I won't repeat it
      3-21 off 15 balls against England--good but hardly special. Abdul Razzaq in his last T20 hit 34 off 11 balls and took 3 for 13. In addition he slammed 46 off 18 balls last time Pakistan were chasing against England. And we won.
      4-1 for 21 in 4 overs v SL. Again, see point Number 1.
      5-30 v Bangladesh. Again, see point Number 2.

      The double standards are staggering honestly. Abdul Razzaq has outperformed Hammad in EVERY level over the past 2 years (and they're not even competing for the same spot) EXCEPT the Big Bash. He was OK, not special but not horrible either, in the BPL. He was brilliant in two England campaigns, he was brilliant in two Pakistan campaigns. And he hit 69 (I think it was) in Leics' only match of the Champions League. Hammad's ONLY advantage as far as performances goes is age. And I have no doubt he's a good batsman but his performance at any level over 2 years is negligible.
       
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      Oh and I don't think this really matters but since you're assuming Abdul Razzaq did not produce for SS, here's a list of his performances:

      1-38 off 21 balls, 4 overs 0 for 28
      2-25* off 11 balls, 4 overs 0 for 42
      3-6 off 6 balls, 4 overs 2 for 25
      4-4 overs 2 for 37, 24 off 26 balls

      And a few months later he helped Hampshire to victory, before blasting Lahore to victory, before blasting Leicestershire to victory. iZeeshan I'm actually staggered you're ignoring all this given how eagerly you're arguing for Hammad's 30-odd innings as proof of his merit. And I'm also staggered that you're ignoring Abdul Razzaq's regular late-order blitzes over the past 2 years as well as useful spells, yet you're arguing that Hammad's 30s are proof of his "must-have" factor and that he hasn't been given a fair opportunity when the EXACT same opportunity has been given to Abdul Razzaq who has done much, much better with it at every level. One Big Bash failure should not discount 2 years of solid service for Pakistan, nor should it discount 2 years of solid match-winning roles in various FC leagues

      And finally, I'm not asking that we omit Hammad for Abdul Razzaq even if the performances state we should. I have nothing against young blood. Please do read it over this time, thanks
       
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      See, this is what I was waiting for. I'm honestly quite shocked at the stats you've given me. 1137moiz

      I didn't mean to have double standards, I just remember myself being angry at Razzaq consistently for a 6-9 month period and I thought there had to have been a reason why.

      But there are a few flaws with your arguments:

      1. Hammad's last innings of note was in 2010 because that's one of the few times he ever got an opportunity. He has actually never failed. Razzaq did multiple times when he played.

      2. Hammad is not a bowler, I don't think I ever argued that. I've always argued his batting skill and ability to absorb pressure is something we badly need in the team. In addition to his ability to rotate strike which every person barring UA have a problem with in the ODI team right now.

      3. Lastly, I still don't think Razzaq needs to be called back. Regardless of what he did, I still don't think he was consistent or has much to offer. Even if he does, it is widely offset by his lazy attitude and fielding which is the LAST thing Pakistan needs right now. Just look at the game today.

      Having said that, Razzaq clearly hasn;t been as bad as I thiught but I'm glad we've moved on from him and I hope it stays that way. Mostly just a personal preference now, more or less.
       
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      iZeeshan 2010 was not the last time Hammad received an opportunity, he's played FC cricket and hasn't been bad, but not outstanding either which was my point. I'm not convinced we need Abdul Razzaq/Azhar Mahmood/any pensioner either, which is why I posted options about the batsman who can bowl (i.e. Hammad, Fawad, Malik). However I don't think they should be roundly counted out either.

      I would love to see Hammad becoming a fixture in the team, a middle-order batsman is badly needed plus he's a handy bowler.
       
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      I think he might just be one of those players that needs pressure to perform, but who knows?

      I just want an extended run for him and hopefully he can become a better bowler because our ODI team is disgustingly pathetic right now.
       
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      Hammad Azam has to be given an opportunity. I still don't understand why he was included in the T20 squad but not in the ODI squad.
       
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      I had an idea earlier: They know he won't play in T20 but select him just so they can say they're not ignoring him. Samething with Haris Sohail.
       
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      Plus they wanted to show they were selecting teams for different formats hence arbitrarily dropped a couple of T20 players who could easily have slotted into both squads
       
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      Are we to believe that in entire Pakistan there is no one who can bat & bowl like Abdul Razzaq or Azhar Mahmood?

      I heard lot about Anwar Ali as seam-bowling all-rounder, what is his status?
       

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