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Pakistan shortlist 20 players for the test series against England

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  1. Omar
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    Omar Cricistan Moderator

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    Derby, 27 July 2020: Following the conclusion of two four-day intra-squad matches, Pakistan shortlisted the squad for the three-match Test series against England, which begins on 5 August.

    The following is the squad:

    1. Azhar Ali (captain)

    2.Babar Azam (vice-captain)

    3.Abid Ali

    4.Asad Shafiq

    5.Faheem Ashraf

    6.Fawad Alam

    7.Imam ul Haq

    8.Imran Khan Snr

    9.Kashif Bhatti

    10.Mohammad Abbas

    11.Mohammad Rizwan

    12.Naseem Shah

    13.Sarfaraz Ahmed

    14.Shadab Khan

    15.Shaheen Shah Afridi

    16.Shan Masood

    17.Sohail Khan

    18.Usman Shinwari

    19.Wahab Riaz

    20.Yasir Shah

    Meanwhile, the remaining nine players – Fakhar Zaman, Haider Ali, Iftikhar Ahmed, Imad Wasim, Khushdil Shah, Mohammad Hafeez, Mohammad Amir, Mohammad Hasnain and Musa Khan – will continue to train with the squad for the T20I series, which will be played at the backend of the Test series.
     
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    Not so sure about Kashif Bhatti, Imran Khan and maybe Sohail Khan as the latter two don't seem to have the stamina and fitness for 5 days cricket.

    Wahab is an interesting pick as he retired a year ago from red ball and now has seem to made himself available after the backlash him and Amir got.

    Perhaps I'd have chosen Fakhar or even Iftikhar over one of the names I've mentioned as our top and middle order isn't in any good form.
     
  3. Bilal123
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    Not sure what Faheem is doing there. He's very mediocre in all departments.
     
  4. Shahzad.Firdous
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    I would have picked these:

    Imam, Fakhar, Shan, Abid, Azhar, Babar, Fawad Alam, Asad Shafiq, Iftikhar, Sarfraz, Rizwan, Yasir Shah, Shadab, Abbas, Shaheen, Shinwari, Naseem, Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz.

    18 players are enough for me.

    Harris Sohail eik to bhet gaya that is a huge problem in itself..

    For 1st test:
    1. Shan
    2. Abid
    3. Azhar c
    4. Babar
    5. Fawad Alam
    6. Asad Shafiq
    7. Rizwan
    8. Yasir Shah
    9. Sohail Khan
    10. Shaheen Afridi
    11. Naseem Shah
    12th man: Imam ul Haq
     
  5. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    The opening is still VERY, VERY weak.
    I guess that's the best our third class current domestic standard and sifarshi environment can produce.
     
  6. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Opening mere khayal se to theek hai Fakhar ko bhi select karna chahye tha cus koi bhi player ahiste ahiste experience ke saath develop hota hai sirf 7 batsman select kiye hein itne saare fast bowler select kiye hein kis ko khilayeinge kis ko bhitayeinge they themselves would be confused.. 2 extra batsman select kar lete to koi museebat nahi ajati fast bowling mein.. fast bowling was enough with 6 pacers at most.. Harris Sohail waise hi bahir bhet gaya hai Fakhar ko aur Iftikhar ko select karna chahye tha squad mein,,,
     
  7. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Fakhar can gradually develop into a quality test opener too... provided he strengthens his defense.. Saeed Anwar when he first arrived on the scene was similar.. swashbuckling stroke-maker with a loose defense with propensity to fish deliveries outside off-stump.. he worked on his game and strengthened loose ends.. 3 tests hein kiya Shan aur Abid 3 tests mein laga tar perform kar payein ge.. mere khayal se to donon thora buhat perform kareinge thora flop honge but inko replace karna zaroori hoga... mujhe to Asad Shafiq ki qabiliyat per bhi shak hai although woh kisi na kisi tarah 1 series mein fail hota hai to agli series mein perform kar hi jata hai eik aad bari innings zaroor khelta hai from time to time.. Azhar Ali although bare scores nahi kar raha us tarah se but phir bhi mujhe Azhar mein confidence hai specially the way he performed in Champions Trophy,, Harris Sohail is a dependable batsman, Fawad Alam has 12000+ runs in domestic u can imagine how good he is, yehan to jo perform karta hai use log underestimate karte hein aur jo Javed Miandad ka nephew hota hai ache shots khelne per usko team mein daalte hein ache shots khel raha hai but average kiya hai 25 ki after 25 tests... Fawad Alam is averaging 56 with 12000 runs in domestic, same they did with Misbah.. Babar Azam to Babar Azam hai...
     
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    That's because they haven't been able to develop any medium fast all rounder in all these years as you do need one who can be the 5th bowling option especially in tests.
     
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    So you're picking Sohail who can't run in to bowl in his 3rd and 4th spell and this was back in 2018 over Abbas who has the most experience in playing in these conditions and the most experienced in this pace attack.
     
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    Pakistan's batting has been and will be the problem as the bowling somehow seems to do the job on most occasions.

    If the batting can put up scores of over 300 in these 3 tests a few times then it'll be a good battle.
     
  11. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Bhai jaisa bhi hai he knows how to pick wickets... He knows the art of picking wickets,, he may be 35 yr old or what but like old Waqar Younus, he knows how to pick wickets.. now, i am not comparing him with Waqar.. yehan to choti si baat keh do to log ungliyan utha lete hein he has that same slingy action like Waqar and Akhtar.. he looks like a 35 yr old still runs in and he really gets tired in his 3rd and 4th spell and has stamina problem but this man just knows how to pick wickets and how to get batsmen out...
     
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    So if he doesn't pick any wickets in the first spell he is useless as he doesn't have what it takes for the rest of his spells where as Abbas is mostly economical and tends to bowl at the right line and length and gets the ball to move meanwhile pace wise they are both the same.
     
  13. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Pace Sohail Khan ki ziada hai.. even at 35, he is running in and bowling as quick as he can whereas Abbas relies more on accuracy and is bowling military medium at 120,,, Abbas ki pace bhi neeche agayee hai it looks like.. he used to bowl a tard quicker... this is the reason why he has not been in inform recently ... and Sohail Khan is the man in form and he performed in the practice game thats why there is talk of playing him and i think there is a strong chance that Sohail will get the nod ahead of Abbas... Abbas is lacking in penetration off-late.. just need a kick up his back side to lift him and make that extra effort.. he seems to be lacking in motivation or something it seems... he is not bowling the same way he used to.. a player's motivation counts for a lot to in his performance.. on the other hand, Sohail Khan is full of energy although he is on the wrong side of 30... age does not matter in his case... some players are 40 45 like Younus Misbah but they are fitter than youngsters... Sohail Khan ki build to athletic hai but he has a stamina problem... he has spent years in domestic and is an old style bowler Waqar Younus kind of and Shoaib Akhtar kind of...
     
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    Wicket milna na milna bowler ke haath mein nahi hota hai a bowler can only run in which Sohail Khan tries to do despite all his problems.. his attitude is refreshing to see..
     
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    Sab se ziada wickets Sohail Khan ki thin England aur Australia tour per jab Pakistan gayee thi Misbah ki captaincy ke under mein when Pakistan had become No. 1 test team of the world... Amir kept getting persisted with even though he was not as much amongst wickets as other bowlers and other bowlers were sacrificed for Amir likes of Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan and Imran Khan. Imran Khan ne mushkil se 7 mein se 2 test khele honge, Rahat Ali was blowing hot and cold, Sohail Khan was the one who was amongst wickets everytime, Wahab Riaz was an enforcer. Amir ko persist kiya us mein galat nahi kiya but I felt Mickey Arthur was particularly harsh with Sohail Khan on his 3rd and 4th spell whereas he Sohail Khan was regularly amongst wickets whereas he did not say a thing to Amir who was struggling. Again, I would say the same thing about Amir as I say about Wasim Akram. Sirf wickets lena achi bowling nahi hoti, sahi bowling karna bhi zaroori hai but if u keep bowling matches after matches without wickets, then obviously concerns are going to be raised about u cus a team cant afford to carry a passenger although he may be doing all the right things.. u need to have something in that wickets column to show for... But, mein phir bhi kahonga persisting Amir was the right decision but dropping Sohail Khan was not.... Fitness is something but not everything.. humari teams mein past mein bilkul hi unfit khilari khelte rahe hein jab woh fielding karte the to 4 catch slip mein drop karte the but batting karte the to 200 maarte the... aise paindu khele hein humari team ki history hai..
     
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    Picking a player based on theory rather than reality is not a good idea.. Faheem would be of no use in tests. I don't know if he is good enough to pick up wickets
     
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    My lineup

    First choice
    1. Shan Masood
    2. Abid Ali
    3. Babar Azam
    4. Azhar Ali (captain)
    5. Fawad Alam
    6. Asad Shafiq
    7. Mohammad Rizwan
    8. Mohammad Abbas
    9. Yasir Shah
    10. Naseem Shah
    11. Shaheen Shah Afridi
    Second choice
    1. Imam ul Haq
    2. Shan Masood
    3. Abid Ali
    4. Babar Azam
    5. Azhar Ali (captain)
    6. Asad Shafiq
    7. Mohammad Rizwan
    8. Mohammad Abbas
    9. Yasir Shah
    10. Naseem Shah
    11. Shaheen Shah Afridi
     
  18. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    Yep, can't disagree with that.
    Batting, especially the opening, has been our Achilles heel for ages.
    Perhaps they could've looked into the option of opening with a left-hand right-hand combo to disrupt the bowlers' line and force the field change quite often to create some frustration, but then again, both Broad and Anderson swing it at will in either direction.

    Looking forward to Naseem Shah to show some magic.
     
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    Never said that he's been picked due to a theory but just pointed out the basic problem with Pakistan cricket.

    Faheem is a bits and pieces player which means he's neither a batter or a bowler and you just have to see his stats to know that.

    He can just about get away with in the T20 team but nowhere else but he's been picked as a back up as they've discarded the likes of Yamin who has consistently been putting in performances in domestic and is a handy bat and a medium pacer.
     
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    Abid is a right hander where as Shan is a leftie so that's that as far as your asking for a disruption in the bowlers line.

    Pakistan's another biggest problem over decades has been their lack of playing swing as they keep hanging their bats outside and don't seem to know where their off stump is and it's been the downfall for many batsmen.

    Hoping Naseem can rough up some feathers and gives them some chin music as they will be giving plenty to ours especially Archer.
     
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    So the openers are gonna lose us the series. Should have opted for Fakhar and Haider over Shan and Imam.
     
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    I think Shan and Imam are much better choice then Fakhar and Haider. Haider is too new for Test and Fakhar does not have temperament for Test.
     
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    This is something that is mind boggling when you think about the amount of money we spend on the army of coaches that we have hired.

    Now, at least theoretically we know that if you want to increase your chances of survival against swing bowling, then stand half a yard outside the crease.

    I am totally lost as to where the F is this basic technique and knowledge in among our coaches and our batsmen?

    You will also notice that when they hang out their bat to an out going ball, they have the body language of a low confident defeatist. The reaction time slow and focus is all at sea.

    why can’t they be trained to understand the concept of die trying rather than acting like a deer caught in the head highlights. Those half hearted pokes at outswingers on the front foot are truly cringe worthy.
     
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    The problem has always been as I have been saying for decades that it is mentally they're reluctant to accept the fact that they're not that good enough that they make themselves out to be and that is the sole reason that makes them mediocre and keeps them at that level for a very long time throughout their careers as well.

    In Pakistan, they just do not think to have proper trained psychologists who sit with them and go through their game and mindset and try to reason with them behind their actions on the field. If you see most of the top athletes in the world have had the best psychologists whom they have continuously worked with to improve themselves as even individuals let alone as sportsmen/women.

    Lack of professional coaches for decades is another reason and have placid tracks where bowlers are fast to start with but become trundlers after 2-3 years as the pitches are just not good enough and the balls to have a closer contest between bat and ball.

    The other reason behind slashing and poking is their lack of playing test cricket. Test cricket is main format and most of our players feast on just playing ODI's and T20's where they just have to look at hitting out rather than building an innings. Pakistan in the last 5 years has played 36 tests compared to England who has played 66 and then we think why most of our players have not even played 100 tests or taken 200-300-400 wickets in their careers or scored more that 10k runs.

    The lack of test cricket for a very long time is also a point I have raised on here many a times but as we see it is something that we as fans can not do much about but it is about the board to decide what they want to invest in which definitely is not Test cricket.
     
  25. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Learn to leave the ball if you have to survive in test cricket against quality pace bowling..
     
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    Fakhar and Iftikhar should have been selected in places of Imran Khan snr and Faheem Ashraf. Also, no place for Kashif Bhatti in my squad,.
     
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    Haar jeet game ka hissa hai but is ka matlab yeh nahi aap apna pura combination destroy karke rakh dein agar aap Australia se haar gaye... sometimes larkon ko back karna parta hai ke eik series haar gaye ho phir chance do Australia mein kon aaj tak jeet kar aaya hai Wasim Akram ki best possible Pakistan team 99 mein ja kar whitewash ho kar aayi thi although yeh best possible chance tha Australia ko harane ka jo Pakistan ne blow away kar diya Australia mein... UAE mein to pheli baar itna ghanda haraya tha Australia ko.. Younus Khan ne 4 innings mein 4 centuries kin thin Misbah fastest century in test cricket...
    Haan career ke shuru mein banda galat reasons ki waja se bhi drop hota hai cus ultimately u want a team that wins.. although Sohail Khan is very experienced in domestic .. this is a comeback of sorts for Sohail Khan even though he maybe looks like 35 but this is his best chance to prove himself again at international level... Mickey Arthur aur Waqar Younus Pakistan ke worst coaches the history mein.. their only emphasis was on fitness... you are not playing athletics that fitness is only thing.. agar fitness sab kuch hoti to Saeed Anwar Inzamam Yousuf to cricket khel hi nahi paate...

    @SwingNSeam

    Thank God we have got Misbah as our Coach now who understands the psyche of Pakistan players and knows how to deal with them...
     
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    When I was in school (long time agooooo) we use to play in school's field and we used to have matches with other schools. This created the competitiveness and mantel toughness, now the schools are in 2 story homes with no place for kids to play. I have seen in 1 field 10-15 teams playing with tape ball, which creates another problem because in that you go in and boom boom out.

    We need to invest in proper playing conditions for the kids from the school level in every city. Can't have world class players from handful of cities and and handful of clubs.
     

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