Pakistan v Australia | 1st Test | Dubai | Oct 7-11 2018 | Match Thread

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  1. Shahzad.Firdous
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    I think Arthur and Sarfraz will be contemplating and discussing whether to go with 3 pacers 2 spinners or 3 spinners 2 pacers. Initially, it might be right to play 3 pacers 2 spinners in my opinion! After the result of 1st test, we might decide to go with extra spinner. That might be the right thing to do. Its a bit of a tricky decision in my opinion and what i have suggested is the best thing to do!!


    1. Hafeez
    2. Imam
    3. Azhar
    4. Harris Sohail
    5. Asad Shafiq
    6. Babar Azam
    7. Sarfraz
    8. Hassan Ali / Shadab Khan
    9. Yasir Shah
    10. Wahab Riaz
    11. Abbas
     
  2. s_h_a_f
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    Fakhar in place of Hafeez
     
  3. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Hafeez is the 2nd spinner which is important! Fakhar struggles in UAE!
     
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    Basically the question I am asking is 3 pacers 2 spinners and 3 spinners 2 pacers?
     
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    For God sake, don't include wahab riaz in playing eleven. Don't know on which basis he is included in squad.
     
  6. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Wahab Riaz and Yasir Shah are the key bowlers for Pakistan against Aus in UAE or in Aus!!
     
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    Oh you dont know the reason why he was selected?

    Because people sitting in media were moaning and whoever is not part of the team is the best player. Therefore, he's back.

    However, I would've like to see Junaid in Test team, specially after that last game we played in Asia cup.
     
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    Junaid Khan may be effective only in odi cricket in my opinion! In these conditions, you need someone like Wahab Riaz to bowl heavy yorkers at fast pace and to reverse swing it big time! Bowling with pace is important in test cricket on these pitches!
     
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    You are right bro! its a national dilemma.
     
  10. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Amir and Junaid are both swing bowlers who are effective in England more whereas Irfan and Wahab Riaz with their back of the length and fiery pace are effective on UAE as well as bouncy pitches!!
     
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    I reckon we all with see how much is left in his tanks. I dont remember I saw yorkers from him in a long time.
     
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    Then why Junaid has 71 wickets in 22 Tests, with 5 5Fers? Most of his Tests are in UAE.
     
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    Riaz is the next Wasim
    Hafeez the next Miandad

    Future is in great hands.
     
  14. Shahzad.Firdous
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    He produced some fiery stuff against slanka in the last test we played in UAE in losing cause! The innings in which Pakistan were reduced to 3 bowlers - Wahab, Abbas and Yasir Shah.
    Now, you would say that was in losing cause but Shoaib Akhtar also produced one of his best spell in losing cause against Aus in UAE in 2002! That was one of the fastest spells he ever bowled!
    Wahab has bowled some match-winning and series winning spells particularly against England in UAE!!
     
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    Junaid has picked those wickets but failed to win matches most of the time! Whereas, when Wahab bowls a good spell its usually wins the match! We have seen it on several occasions! Reason is he has got muscles whereas Junaid has swing! Junaid would be more useful in England whereas Wahab Riaz is suitable for UAE and flat type pitches where reverse swing comes into play!!
     
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    Wont say that but Amir is supposed to be Wasim and Wahab Wicki Waqar and Junaid Amir 2.0
     
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    Yes Wahab has bowled some match-winning against ENG in UAE, A) key word is 'has', B) it was like when? 3 years ago.

    Also, this is what I remember from that Test series.

     
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    This happened but in 2nd innings Wahab got it right and when he got it right, he evaporated the whole slankan batting!!
     
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    This is not the point, the point is that you said, Juniad and Amir can be fruitful in ENG, which is not the case with Junaid.
     
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    And who won the Test?
     
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    You see for yourself the matches that Junaid played mostly between 2011 till 2015 mostly against slanka, how many matches he was able to win for the country or team won whereas Wahab's performance/win ratio is quite high! Whenever Wahab performs, team wins and he is a sure matchwinner! Wahab and Yasir Shah bowl well in tandem!!
     
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    And thats why I said that we'll see how much is left in this tank.
     
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    We lost that test but Wahab Riaz's performance has won matches in several other matches like the Eng series where we drew against England in England to claim No. 1 position in test rankings. Similarly, Wahab won couple of series in UAE against England and won a test in slanka. He was the saving grace for Pakistan in Australia as far as bowling was concerned as Yasir Shah had completely lost it on that tour!!
     
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    End results matters to me, not interested in past performances and If's and but's .
     
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    I would go with 3 spinners and 2 pacers.

    Shadab has to bowl as full-time spinner to support Yasir, and he can also be useful with the bat.

    I really don't want Hafeez to bowl more than 13/14 overs (per day), or else he'll get jaded and will start chucking.
     
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    Fact is Wahab Riaz has won matches on his own and series with his performance!
     
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    Can you back this claim with some states? Or its coming from Wahab's fanboy ?
     
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    1. Won 2 'home' series with his performance against England! Blew away English batting twice in UAE that ultimately gave victories to Pakistan in couple of series against England in UAE!
    2. Won a test against Slanka in Slanka, 1st test of the series. Pakistan went onto win that series against Slanka on the last day at Pallekelle where Younus Khan and Shan Masood played that big partnership!
    3. Supported Yasir Shah in winning two tests against England on England tour where Pakistan claimed No. 1 rankings in test. Picked 10 wkts in 3 tests of that series in one innings of which he was forced out due to injury!
    4. 14 wickets in World Cup 2015.
    5. Bowler of PSL 1 or 2 i guess~!
    6. 12 wickets on Aus tour where we ended up on losing cause.
    Many other performances I dont remember!
     
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    Won a series against Windies too in UAE! Pink ball tests!
     
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    Is this states?

    I am looking for cricinfo or some other related states and not history.
     
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    Search on your own then as I am looking for entertainment and not maths right now!
     
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    Bhai I am not the one making all claims here.
     
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    Hafeez inclusion means 2-0 to Pakistan.

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    Sorry I meant Riaz is the next Wasim & Waqar combined & Hafeez is the next Bradman & Kohli combined.
     
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    Wahab cannot hurt Pak, as not much is expected from pacers anyway.Wahab is likely to do better because he will try to give his best as this can be his last chance.
    Hafeez IS the don in UAE, if he does well than Pak will find it difficult to get rid of him and he will end up playing the WC something which Mickey doesn't want.
     
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    Bang on re Hafeez. I hope Mickey puts he’s foot down.
     
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    Mickey could still drop him using condition as excuse.
     
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    Mickey Mouse lol
     
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    this is total bs about wahab, he is crap. he is a match loser not a match winner.

    this is the best side we can put out from that crap squad which will lose, fc batting ave in brackets

    1. fakhar (42)
    2. azhar (40)
    3. haris (51)
    4. hafeez (35)
    5. usman (47)
    6. asad (40)
    7. sarfraz (40)
    8. yasir (17)
    9. hassan (16) if fully fit else faheem (30)
    10. hamza (7)
    11. abbas (7)

    bench:

    babar (35)
    bilal (21)
    imam (36)
    rizwan (42)
    shadab injured (30)
    wahab (16)

    anyone know on what basis bilal was picked as premier second spinner?
     
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    just to do the quick bowling average comparison too:

    bowler ave eco sr

    pace

    *hamza 17.74 2.76 38.4
    *abbas 20.25 2.76 43.8
    *hasan 25.21 3.37 44.8
    faheem 27.01 3.00 53.8
    wahab 28.84 3.31 52.1


    spin

    shadab 25.88 3.37 45.9
    *hafeez 26.66 2.70 59.0
    *yasir 27.65 3.07 53.9
    bilal 31.22 2.72 68.7


    part-time

    *haris 27.28 3.13 52.2


    *in my playing xi
     

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