Pakistan vs New Zealand - 3rd ODI Pre Match Discussion Thread

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  1. chandtara
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    2-0 down in the series, outplayed in both games. Pakistan will really need to dig deep to get back in the series. A must win game coming up. Batsmen really need to stand up. Kiwis bowlers have been all over them.
     
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    Pakistan team greeted with Maori 'Haka' dance in Dunedin

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    Maori perform Haka dance to welcome Pakistan team in Dunedin

    The Pakistan cricket team received a warm Maori welcome upon its arrival in Dunedin – the venue for the third one-day international against New Zealand on January 13 (Saturday).

    The cricketers were pleasantly surprised when the Maori – the indigenous Polynesian people of New Zealand – lined up at the Dunedin International Airport to welcome them with the traditional ‘Haka’ dance.

    The Green Shirts were amused at the traditional welcome.

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    Some started filming the performance.

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    Hasan Ali was clearly a favourite.

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    Hasan Ali - all smiles

    He even posed for a photo with a Maori musician.

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    Photo please?

    The Haka – a traditional war dance in Maori culture – is widely considered one of the most powerful war dance performances in the world. It is a posture dance performed with vigorous movements and stamping of the feet, with rhythmic loud chants. The dance used to be performed by warriors before a battle, proclaiming their strength and prowess.

    The New Zealand rugby team, known as the ‘All Blacks’, famously perform the Haka before their matches.

    https://www.geo.tv/latest/176174-wa...-traditional-maori-welcome-at-dunedin-airport
     
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    Pakistan have lost the first two ODIs against New Zealand, who don’t have a habit of giving up easily at home (who does?). Tour of New Zealand was once considered a walk in the park for Green Shirts, but those were the days when Pakistan had specialists with them.

    Back in the 90s and early 2000s, New Zealand were a threat, but Pakistan were well prepared and there used to be a strong contest between the two sides. Scoring runs was never easy on grounds of irregular size and shape, but the visitors somehow managed that well. Saeed Anwar’s innings of 169 on the tour of 1994, followed by hundreds from Saleem Malik and Inzamam-ul-Haq in the same innings is just one of the examples of bold batting display by the Pakistanis.

    Although the recent disciplined bowling attack of the Kiwis has brought the ghosts out of the cupboard of the ICC Champions Trophy winners, Pakistan can still bounce back if little adjustments are made – in time.

    Opening Slot
    Former captain Azhar Ali has just returned from an injury. Although with Fakhar Zaman he had a couple of valuable partnerships in England, it would be wise to drop him to No. 3 until he fully recovers. With Fakhar (pray he recovers in time) and Imam-ul-Haq opening in the third match, Babar Azam can be rested. He was unlucky in the first match when his dismissal could have been averted, yet in the next match he was found wanting.

    Middle Order
    It’s about time that former captain Shoaib Malik takes the role of the key batsman and stops playing to secure his place. He has been around for nearly two decades and there is no country in this world where he hasn’t played, and played well. He must follow the example of Javed Miandad, Saleem Malik, Inzamam-ul-Haq, and even Misbah-ul-Haq who used to make an innings from a dead situation.

    Hafeez, without his ‘bowling option’ can be a good replacement for Shoaib Malik, but it would be a crime to have both players in the team. Haris Sohail should be given a chance in the third match, as he can bat and bowl, and can stay longer at the crease.

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    Haris Sohail should be given a chance in the third match, as he can bat and bowl, and can stay longer at the crease/AFP

    Since Babar Azam, Hafeez and Shoaib Malik failed in the opening match of the tour, it would be better to induct Haris and Azhar in the middle order for any of the two. With Haris in, Sarfraz will have an additional bowling option and Haris is definitely a better fielder than Hafeez.

    Wicket Keeper
    Sarfraz Ahmed has been an inspirational captain for the young team, but his constant reminders to the players to focus appears to have taken a toll on his wicket keeping as he dropped a crucial catch in the first match.

    He still has a lot to learn regarding the pitch, conditions, rules and toss, as he seems to keep weather forecast out of his book. His own batting form has been in decline since last 12 months. He must accept the challenge in desperate situations, unlike the Champions Trophy final, where he sent Imad Wasim in his place to bat the final overs.

    Bowling
    After a good thrashing in game one, it was strange Pakistan didn’t change the bowling attack. Pacer Aamir Yamin is with the touring side, he has the ability to hit the ball hard and he could be ‘the missing chip’ in the middle order. Pakistan’s tail is vulnerable against pace, yet Shadab Khan and Hasan Ali have shown with their gritty fifties in the second ODI that they can rescue the side when the regular batsmen fail. If Aamir Yamin is inducted in the side in place of ‘so far quite expensive Rumman Raees’, the depth in the batting would make things easier for the captain.

    Pakistan need to correct the mistakes they have made in the last two matches, if they want to stage a comeback. In the first two matches, there seemed to be more of batsmen’s will in getting out than bowlers’ planning. The way Sarfraz came down the pitch lacked maturity. This was not the first time he tried to be brave but ended up being foolish. It might be better to shout from behind the stumps to pump up your players, but raising your own performance can also lift the team’s morale. It is better to save your breath for where it’s needed and right now it’s in the third ODI.

    https://www.geo.tv/latest/176168-its-time-to-rise-again
     
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    Pakistan will take on New Zealand in the third ODI at Dunedin on Saturday, 2-0 down with New Zealand just one more win away from clinching the five-match series. Pakistan had actually come into the series on a nine-match winning streak that started with last year’s Champions Trophy win and was followed up with a 5-0 whitewash of Sri Lanka at UAE in October.

    The third match, when you’re two-nil down, is arguably the most challenging of any five-match series. Win, and you’re right back in the series; lose and you’re two dead rubbers away from a whitewash – very few teams that have lost three matches manage to lift themselves up for matchups that would have no bearing on the final result of the series.

    One thing in Pakistan’s favour is the four-day gap between the second and third ODI that would allow them to gather their thoughts, work on the obvious shortcomings and get their act together. For there needs to be a complete turnaround in performances for the team’s fortunes to change.

    Of course, any cricket revamp needs to start with the batting, which in this case has been completely below par in the first two ODIs.

    With the bowling being instrumental in Pakistan’s winning streak in 2017 and the batting making a mark in the Champions Trophy final, the glitches have been brushed under the carpet.

    The fact remains that the current Pakistani lineup, similar to their predecessors this decade, cannot score totals in excess of 300 on a regular enough basis to challenge the top ODI sides in the world.

    The Champions Trophy was won primarily through the bowling, and when the batting came to the party against India in the final, Pakistan simply looked unbeatable.

    This is the bottom-line: a Pakistani side that has the batsmen firing is a formidable force for any team, in any conditions, anywhere in the world.

    But that has rarely been true on a consistent enough basis – if ever.

    One major problem on this front is that the batsmen never seem to fire together. So in this series alone, we’ve had Fakhar Zaman playing his most impactful innings since the Champions Trophy final, and Mohammed Hafeez scoring a masterful fifty – but in two separate matches.

    In fact, in the second – where Hafeez scored his runs – it was Shadab Khan and Hasan Ali who saved Pakistan’s blushes and managed to post an unlikely 246, from 141/7.

    Hence, on paper Pakistan can bat all the way down to number 9 – 10 if you include Mohammed Amir, who has scored runs on occasions – but rarely do these come to the forefront in unison.

    The batsmen need to come forward with the now clichéd ‘positive’ thinking. You can’t beat this New Zealand side in New Zealand by adopting a defensive plan of action.

    Hopefully, Fakhar Zaman would be back for the third ODI and can replicate his form from Wellington. Azhar Ali and Babar Azam would need to score a lot more than the collective 22 they scored in the first two ODIs, while Shoaib Malik can’t afford another unfulfilled start. The pressure is also mounting for Sarfraz Ahmed to come good with the bat.

    If Pakistan can post a total of over 300, the bowlers can be banked on to defend it even though they’ve all struggled varyingly in the first two ODIs. Anything between 250 and 300 would need most of the bowlers to be on their A game, while scores of less than 250 would need the freak shows that the Pakistani bowling lineup is capable of.

    If Pakistan is chasing, they can no longer afford to treat totals like 315 as mountains they rarely climb or rely on the bowlers to bundle the opposition out for 250. 300 plus/minus 20 is a par score in modern day ODI cricket.

    A change in attitude and aura is the need of the hour. Pakistan needs to get under the Kiwis’ skins on Saturday and tell them they won’t give up the series without a fight.

    If the team can be at their most aggressive in the third ODI, they might just find a way to claw their way back in the series.

    https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2018/01/09/how-pakistan-can-turn-things-around-in-new-zealand-odis/
     
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    Kiwis recall De Grandhomme to ODI squad

    Cape Town - All-rounder Colin de Grandhomme has been recalled to New Zealand's squad for the final three ODIs against Pakistan.

    The big-hitting batsman missed the final games in the West Indies series and the first two ODIs against Pakistan after the sudden death of his father in Zimbabwe.

    De Grandhomme will replace George Worker in the Black Caps squad that are already two-nil up in the five-match series ahead of the next ODI in Dunedin on Saturday.

    Gavin Larsen, New Zealand selector, said: "It's been a difficult time for Colin and I know the group is excited to catch up with him. Everyone has been thinking of him while he's been away.

    "Colin has been effective for us with bat and ball and provides another all-rounder option."

    The hosts beat the tourists by 61 runs (D/L method) in the first ODI in Wellington after posting a score of more than 300 before following up with an eight-wicket win in Nelson Tuesday.

    New Zealand ODI squad: Kane Williamson (captain), Todd Astle, Trent Boult, Lockie Ferguson, Colin de Grandhomme, Martin Guptill, Matt Henry, Tom Latham, Colin Munro, Henry Nicholls, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor

    https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/kiwis-recall-de-grandhomme-to-odi-squad-20180110
     
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    When is the next match? (thrashing)
     
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    Drop Azhar and Rumman, play Aamer Yamin and Fakhar.
     
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    Santner wary of Pakistan's quality

    Mitch is not expecting any help from the pitch.

    But then again, Black Caps all-rounder Mitchell Santner might not need any help.

    Black Caps all-rounder Mitchell Santner: Ideally we would like to wrap it up here and take a 3-0 lead.
    He has been bowling pretty well of late and, whatever conditions await the left-arm spinner at Dunedin's University Oval on Saturday, he will rely on flight and subtle changes in pace to keep the Pakistan batsmen under pressure.

    ''I've played a couple of test matches [at the University Oval] but obviously I'm yet to see what the one-day wicket is going to be like,'' he said.

    ''Hopefully it spins, but I don't think so.''

    All-rounder Colin de Grandhomme's return from bereavement leave will create a selection dilemma for coach Mike Hesson. He was in terrific form during the test series against the West Indies last month and it will be interesting to see whether he features in the starting XI.

    Santner and legspinner Todd Astle have played in the opening two ODIs against Pakistan and done well.

    Santner looked in impressive form with one for 34 in New Zealand's eight-wicket in Nelson earlier this week. And Astle bowled particularly well in the opening ODI against the West Indies before Christmas.

    Either would be unlucky to miss the match.

    The Black Caps opted to play two spinners the last time the team was in Dunedin. But that was for a test match and the temptation to include the big-hitting de Grandhomme could prove hard to resist.

    ''I'm not sure [if they will play two spinners]. Obviously we will have to weigh that up during the next couple of days at training and see what the wicket is going to be like,'' Santner said.

    ''If it is going to spin, then maybe. But we will have to wait and see.

    ''Obviously [de Grandhomme] is a very good player and an asset in the one-day side. He's an all-rounder who can be quite destructive with the bat as well.

    ''We'll weigh up how he is going and what the pitch is going to be like. But, yeah, I'm pretty sure he will go straight back in.''

    The Black Caps will not want to tinker with the line-up too much, though. The team is unbeaten at home this summer and has an opportunity to clinch the five-game ODI series against Pakistan with a win in game three this weekend.

    ''Ideally we would like to wrap it up here and take a 3-0 lead. But we know they are going to be strong. They are going to come out firing, so we have to keep improving on what we've been doing.

    ''The intensity in the field is something we are trying to work on. We are playing pretty well at the moment but we can always be that little bit better.''

    While the Black Caps' confidence levels are soaring, there is also a feeling that Pakistan has more to give.

    ''They are a quality side. I think they had nine wins in a row before in one-day cricket and they won the Champions Trophy.

    ''We know they can play very well but I guess we've been on top of them a little bit of late, so hopefully we can keep that ball rolling.''

    The Black Caps have picked a good venue for that. The team is undefeated in five ODI games and eight tests at the University Oval.

    https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/cricket/santner-wary-pakistans-quality
     
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    Geo please die.
     
  10. Shahzad.Firdous
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    1. Imam
    2. Fakhar
    3. Azhar Ali
    4. Hafeez
    5. Harris Sohail
    6. Sarfraz
    7. Aamir Yamin
    8. Shadab Khan
    9. Fahim Ashraf
    10. Hassan Ali
    11. Amir
     
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    Anti Babar brigade.
     
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    Pakistan in desperate need of another good new ball bowler.
     
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    Usman Khan looked like gold dust,Junaid is decent but I think Usman is a special player.

    Rumman needs to work on his bowling and his fitness.
     
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    No point in spending the intellectual energy on which combination of mediocre will lose the next match.
     
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    I have dropped undroppable Shoaib Malik too.
     
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    Azhar will roll too if he doesnt score in next game. There will be lot of chopping and changing. Thats the only way to work out a combination right now. Those who perform stay and those who dont dont stay!!
     
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    no they wont. this is why the mopst crucial function is the selector. they will tend to stick with the guys theyve invested in, thats mickeys way of doing things, and once they have someone - they will give him enough tome to settle and even out bad patches. so chopping and changing is definitely not on the cards, unless its an extreme situation.
    eg selfie. they wont ever get rid of him. they might as well make him the next chairman.
     
  19. Shahzad.Firdous
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    ultimately if team keeps losing, then what will happen in the end?
     
  20. Mohammed Bilal
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    Get your knives out when the poor lad has 1 or 2 failures.

    Why would you drop him?

    Malik is crap anyways,Minnow basher tag fits himself perfectly.
     
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    We'll be fortunate if we win even a single LOI in NZ, and to accomplish it Fakhar, Hassan, Shadab, Faheem and being skipper Sarfraz would have to play out of their skins, because the other group including Azhar, Hackfeez, Babar, Malik and Rumman possess nothing but defeatist attitude.

    I don't have high hopes for T20's either, because even T20's squad is full of accumulators, same as LOI side. Any sane fan would know that we're nowhere near NZ in both ODI's and T20's - the gulf between side is massive, even after that CT win.

    We need to make tough decisions if we want to be anywhere near competitive against bigger teams in their backyard. We need to stop this pathetic approach of keep on giving leeway to players like Selfie and Azhar because we've invested in them so much. And same goes towards the most senior, most culprit pair - Hackfeez and Malik. These TTF's have been given way too many games, but yet in tough conditions they're are walking wickets, they're don't even put up a fight. These losers are only pile runs on low, slow and dead tracks of UAE.

    This team has some life because of young lads mentioned above, so what's so difficult in it to understand for Inzy and Mickey and give chance players like Sahibzada Farhan, Talat, Maqsood, Ahmed Bashir and Waqas Ahmed?

    Yes, we may not have same talent at other playing nations, but we're in this mess due to downright pathetic team selection - thanks to corrupt and nepotistic Inzi - Mr. Revolutionary.
     
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    Stop Babar Bashing,

    Trust me domestic standards are not great especially for fast bowlers so the selectors must create a pool of guys that they believe are good enough or are atleast not truddlers,As for Maqsood he isn't nothing new. The batting options arnt as much so you must pick 4-5 names and back them,Saad Ali,Hussain Talat,Saud Shakeel,Haris Sohail,Umar Amin and Umar Akmal are decent players and some are more experienced than others.

    Inzamam hasn't made too many selection mistakes so I rate him highly however Sami Aslam should Have been Picked for Imam. The extra fast bowler should have been present for the T20s plus ODIs and maybe Hussain Talat could have been in the T20 team but overall the injuries have hurt us and the lack of planning and incompetency from the PCB.
     
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    its a good question, it depends on the definitions of "ultimately". a horrendous 2+ years, multiple discipline infringements, massively negative team working ethics and being a monumental twat apparently doesnt fall under the pcb definition clearly, when it comes to selfie for example. but one series is enough to hammer down the coffin for fawad as another example.
     
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    Typical knee jerk reaction from Babar's fan boy.

    Do you have a reason to believe that I have something personal against Azhar, Hackfeez and Malik? Answer is no. They fail to do their primary job, which is to make run as batsman. What's Babar's primary job as a batsman? Make runs, which he isn't doing? So naturally criticism will come his way. I still hope that he come back in next 3 games and make up for first two.

    I know how there are no Wasim, Waqar, Zahid and Shoaib are waiting to make debut in domestic, and the main reason is pitches, which aren't good for develop batsmen, fast bowlers and spinner. That's the reason why every trundler like Anwar Ali bowls like Akram. That said, its very obvious that you aren't following Maqsood recently. Lately he has been in great form and making runs frequently. With short boundaries, flat wickets with his confidence high - it was the ideal time to give Maqsood an opportunity to resurrect his international career.

    As for Inzy, the Revolutionary he has made some good but some downright pathetic decision without keeping future tours in mind. Why didnt he gave a chance to those batsmen who you names against World XI or against SL? If you're not going to give them a chance against weak oppositions in your home series then are you going to make them debut in NZ or SA? And guess what? we're to tour SA in December, is he doing any prep work for it? I seriously doubt it.
     
  25. Mohammed Bilal
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    What the same Maqsood who gifted his wicket away,Hate batsman like that.
     
  26. Del
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    Like as I said, you dont follow players and only come here to support your favorite players. And on the same note, when Selfie to get countless changes on the base of domestic performances, then why others shouldn't get the same opportunities? And of course, he should be drop if he repeats the same mistakes again.
     
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  27. Mohammed Bilal
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    I've seen Maqsood bat he isn't nothing special, move on.

    Was it 3 or 4 ducks in the PSL?

    If you want to count recent form then Kami,Butt and Masood have far better chances.


    Also my favourite player is atleast good. Averaging 55 just to let you know.
     
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    Yeah keep on moving and dump a player after handful of chances, bravo.

    Like as I said, you havent seen him since last PSL and still talking.

    As for Butt and Kami, one is history and other is certified choker and proven TTF.

    Anyways, no point arguing with you.
     

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