Pakistan vs South Africa | Discussion

1st test ill go with:

1. Imran Butt
2. Abid Ali
3. Azhar Ali
4. Babar Azam C
   
5. Fawad Alam
6. Rizwan VC
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Sohail Khan
9. Wahab Riaz
10. Yasir Shah
11. Shaheen Afridi

Reserves: Hassan Ali, Noman Ali, Zahoor Ahmed, Kamran Ghulam, Saud Shakeel, Sarfraz.

2nd test ill go with:

1. Abid Ali
2. Azhar Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Kamran Ghulam
5. Fawad Alam
6. Rizwan
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hassan Ali
9. Noman Ali
10. Yasir Shah
11. Shaheen Afridi

 

Squad is announced by Mohd Waseem Chief Selector today... From the selected squad:

1st test

1. Imran Butt
2. Abid Ali
   
3. Azhar Ali
4. Babar Azam
5. Fawad Alam
6. Rizwan
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hassan Ali
9. Yasir Shah
10. Harris Rauf
11. Shaheen Afridi

2nd test

1. Abid Ali
2. Azhar Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Kamran Ghulam
5. Fawad Alam
6. Rizwan
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hassan Ali
9. Noman Ali
10. Yasir Shah
11. Shaheen Afridi

 

No Sohail Khan or Wahab Riaz, already liking Mohammad Wasim.

 

Also dropped Shan, Haris & Abbas. Ballsy move.

 

Will be a good series.

 

Yes great selections from Mohd Wasim.. totally agree with his selections... Sohail Khan likes Non Asian Conditions... Asian Conditions mein long spells karne ke liye fitness nahi hai Sohail Khan ki... So great selections Harris Rauf and Tabish Khan plus those 2 spinners Noman Ali and Sajid Khan are game changers... plus Kamran Ghulam Saud Shakeel Imran Butt some very great selections imo...

 

Spinners will play a key role in my opinion... 1st test mein you will lose and you will play an extra pacer... 2nd test aap jeeto ge imo with the help of spinners... but in my opinion, Pakistan need to prefer those bowling options who can hold bat too like M. Nawaz.

1st test

1. Imran Butt
2. Abid Ali
3. Azhar Ali
4. Babar Azam
5. Fawad Alam
6. Rizwan
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hassan Ali
9. Harris Rauf
10. Yasir Shah
11. Shaheen Afridi

2nd test

1. Abid Ali
2. Azhar Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Kamran Ghulam
5. Fawad Alam
6. Rizwan
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hassan Ali
9. M. Nawaz
10. Yasir Shah
11. Shaheen Afridi

 

Bhai all your predictions turn out to be wrong. We probably won’t win a single Test match.

 

Good batsmen already figured Abbas out, with his pace dropped they just stand outside the crease. To counter that the wicketkeeper has to come close to the stumps which is not sustainable as he will have extremely sore hands or Abbas has to bowl faster.
Good drop of Shan and Haris.

 

Those were Non Asian Conditions where Asian teams struggle... Those pitches were difficult for us and also Indians as you can see in their performance too... In our own conditions, we will do better imo... Our conditions tend to favor spin bowling and also reverse swing which will help our bowlers do well as compared to those Non Asian Conditions... Plus, our batsman will also be able to post big scores in these conditions... In Non Asian conditions, our batsmen were posting 200-300 scores... Here in Pakistan, they will be able to score 400+ hopefully...

 

Pace is not everything.. he will learn from this experience, go back to domestic and come back with better performance hopefully...

 

True, Pace is not everything if you are skilled like Asif. Abbas does not have same skill set and he is found now. Unless he brings his pace back he is not getting any wickets. Because he is slower now batsmen have enough time to play or leave accordingly. Learning from this experience? didn't same thing happened to him in England?

 

Bhai koi bhi bowler ho jab tak ragra nahi lagta theek thaak test cricket ka woh bowler nahi banta sahi maanon mein aur Abbas aur Naseem ko theek wala ragra lagaya hai Williamson aur Nichollas ne... Ab yeh bowler ban jayeinge test level ke... when they come back in test cricket... Shuru mein to you make your debut in intl cricket,, everything seems good ... People have not seen you and you pick 50 100 wickets... then people work on your videos and you get found... then you need to go back in domestic and work on yourself and come back thats when you really become a true cricketer...

 

What a logic!!!! Why does this not happens to other Players beside Pakistani? Oh other teams are smart by not hiring Misbah and Waqar.

 

It does not happen to other teams cus unka domestic strong hai... it happens to us cus humara domestic buhat weak hai.. the kind of pitches we play on, the ball we use etc everything counts...

 

Aisa unke players ke saath bhi hota hai bhai but woh unique products laate hein for example Jamieson tall bowler aate hi chah gaya just like our Mohd Irfan/... Aisi 1 aad example hoti hai.. Wagner back of the length bowler uska strong point short pitch bowling hai and he would get wickets in those conditions with that short pitch stuff... he would pick wickets here too with that stuff cus short pitch bowling is something different... Isi tarah England ne bhi 1 2 tagre bowlers khilaye the iske ilawa unke Anderson aur Broad 600 wickets liye hue hein aur compare karo humare Shaheen Abbas aur Naseem se very much less experienced than them.. Even, Southee and Boult have so many wickets as compared to our pacers.. Experience ka to difference hai un bowlers mein aur humare bowlers mein.. Experience counts for a lot imo...Experience time ke saath aata hai koi short cut nahi hai... Jab aapke players experienced ho jate hein tab aap unko bahir kar dete ho aur har waqt youth ka rona rote ho.. Youth aap ko limited overs cricket jeeta sakta hai test cricket mein u need experience...

 

When Pakistan Batsmen start posting decent totals the bowlers will back them up. What is the point of getting other team out for under 250 when your team will fold for 150. This is disheartening for the bowlers, and on the top you drop catches left and right. Same happened to Amir, so many catches dropped on his bowling that he lost his appetite for longer cricket.
We need to look at ourselves and stop judging us by the lowest of the other teams.

 

Batting to consistently 200-300 post kar rahi hai kahin failure nahi aaya is waqt bowling struggle kar rahi hai... Bowling lacks experience imo... Wahab Riaz ko recall karna chahye imo...

 

Reports suggesting Pakistan would go with 6 bowlers in 1st test:

1. Abid Ali
2. Azhar Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Rizwan
5. Fawad Alam
6. Faheem Ashraf
7. M. Nawaz
8. Hassan Ali
9. Yasir Shah
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Harris Rauf

 

In my opinion, they should go with 5 bowlers,,, try to get as much batting practice as they can so that they can win 2nd test...

I would suggest above 11 in 2nd test..
I would suggest go with Imran Butt in 1st test...

 

I would go with this 11 if I was in Babar's place. 1st test:

1. Imran Butt
2. Abid Ali
3. Azhar Ali
4. Babar Azam
5. Fawad Alam
6. Rizwan
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hassan Ali
9. Yasir Shah
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Harris Rauf

 

I truly hope we lose this seriously very badly so more and more pressure could be build on PCB to remove Misbah and Waqar

 

I think Waqar did more harm them Misbah, but both needs to goooooooooooooo!!!!!!

 

100% agreed.
Waqar should be locked into a prison so that he could be kept away from the team for good.

 

What has happened to Cricistan. No posters at all

 

Indeed. It is a shame how the site has disintegrated to a total graveyard.

@Mercenary @Omar @ASLI-PATHAN @s_h_a_f @chandtara

 

Kya karun yaar

It is what it is

 

This is a good fightback

Aim for a lead of 150

Is Faheem the allrounder we have been craving for?

 

Absolutely.
Also getting rid of the like dislike feature was a bad move. I enjoyed it

 

I remember the days when on match day we would have dozens of posters commenting. Felt like a proper community. Right now no one bothers to even create a thread for the matches...

 

150 seems a long way off. 120 minimum should be expected. 150 would be amazing.

Faheem definitely has it in him. He has shown he can bat at 7. He should stay there for years to come. His bowling is also ok. As long as he can continue as medium/fast his role can be to bowl steady 10 overs a day or as a partnership breaker. A bit like Kallis as a bowler

 

He needs to work on his bowling. I don't think he is lethal at all, but it may depend on the pitch. Definitely a handy batsman though. Averaging very well.

 

158 in the end

Saffers are slowly clawing it back though

 

Yes removing that feature was a bad decision.

 

The site didn’t have many posters anyways but was a small community which was nice. Now most of those posters are on Twitter discussing the game or on other busier forums. Hence cricistan is totally deserted.

 

Great effort to get that lead in the end.

However, Pakistan bowling is a shambles. Rely too much on Yasir and even then he's only good enough in Asia. This team really could do with a better bowling coach than Waqar.

 

Bowling has been a shambles for a while. Sad to see.

 

We are missing 1 true new ball bowler. All the pressure by Shaheen is let of on the other side. It would be nice if we can have Amir (Or someone of similar level) and Shaheen bowling in tandem. Naseem, Rauf and Hassan are not to the level yet.

 

Since Amir and Asif in 2010 I am yet to see a new bowling pair that is half decent. For a country of 220 million I am surprised PCB can't find 2 decent bowlers

 

Tapeball cricket with crazy amount of betting is also another reason for decline of hardball players.
I also heard that some tapeball players make more money the our international players.