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Pakistani Batting's Main Issue

Discussion in 'Cricket Talk' started by SwingNSeam, Nov 25, 2013.

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  1. SwingNSeam
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    SwingNSeam Boom Boom

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    No strike rotation...not taking many singles.

    Its either block or hit. Following this formula the team always piles up the RR, and then the batsmen keep getting out at either: A) Wrong time (after settling in and getting a start) or B) In clusters.

    Dav should have been able to tackle this issue at least. Or maybe he does work on that and the players just change their game plan the last minute?
     
  2. Don Corleone
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    Don Corleone Kaptaan

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    Our game plan is obvious. Keep wickets in hand and go on full throttle in the last 10. The fact that we are stuck with it despite of it failing all the time is cringeworthy

    Having a bunch of fools trying to execute that plan is not any better either though.
     
  3. ehtesham
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    ehtesham Cornered Tiger

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    Good post SnS.

    This is why i want Babar Azam in. He is a great at manipulating field and his strike rotation is far better as compared to Ahmad. Just check Ahmad's stats in last 10 odis and you'll see how bad he is at rotating strike, he could only hit or block and that unfortunately doesn't work against quality attacks.
     
  4. Don Corleone
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    Don Corleone Kaptaan

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    You do not want Fawad Alam back since his batting look ugly despite of his consistent performances for so many seasons and yet want Babar Azam in since he can rotate the strike easily? So can Fawad, but then you use his S/R to prove your point, well, let me present the S/R of Babar Azam, It is mighty 74.95.

    Am not against Babar Azam btw. Just trying to figure out the different standards being used to judge players.....
     
  5. WaQaReD!
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    WaQaReD! Talented

    Sep 13, 2011
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    I think Pakistans main issue with batting is a lack of talent
    a lack of brains comes a close 2nd
     
  6. zkhan427
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    zkhan427 Smooth Operator

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    Isn't it easy to keep wickets and hand by playing shots that involve almost no risks and rotating strike? keeping wickets is fine, but they can keep wickets while keeping the scoreboard ticking along.
     
  7. Don Corleone
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    Don Corleone Kaptaan

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    Of course it is although somehow keeping wickets in hand in Pakistan = Block, block, block.
     
  8. iAd
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    iAd Sultan of Swing

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    Even if they go 4 singles an over with 3 boundaries every ten overs they'll end up on 208 by 40 overs (nothing risky). Then smack in the last ten and you end up with 250, more than enough for the bowlers to defend.
     
  9. ehtesham
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    ehtesham Cornered Tiger

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    Fawad is not good enough to last long at international level. This obviously is my opinion which could be wrong as well so you shouldn't take this too seriously.

    As far as Babar is concerned, he has been our top run getter in 2 world events which i'm sure is not as big an achievement as Fawad's awesome 168 on colombo highway but still deserves a mention.

    Not to mention, Babar is just in his early days and is in the process of learning while Sir Fawad had hit his peak long ago and now he's is on his way down.



    Standards aren't different... Talent over selfish run machines everytime.
     
  10. zkhan427
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    zkhan427 Smooth Operator

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    I think this goes back to what WaQaReD! said about us not being talented...we can't even do basic things like run between the wickets and call singles properly without getting someone runout.
     
  11. iAd
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    iAd Sultan of Swing

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    Yes we are on a shortage of batting talent but then it also comes down to are we using the best of what we have?

    Ahmad avgs 32
    Nasir avgs 35
    Hafeez avgs 28
    Maqsood avgs 50
    Akmal avgs 38
    Misbah avgs 44
    Shafiq avgs 32

    Not in team:

    Sharjeel angs 50+
    Babar Azam avgs 50+
    Haris avgs 40+
    and there's a few more too.

    We can easily replace Ahmad, Nasir, Hafeez, Shafiq with what little we have left. We still have some talent, we just arent using it.
     
  12. SwingNSeam
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    SwingNSeam Boom Boom

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  13. Passionate Pakistani
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    Passionate Pakistani Fantasy Draft Wins: 1

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    Misbah batting at 5th.

    Tell me which captain exposes his young players in tough conditions while himself bat on those position in either UAE or against minnows...

    Its not a secret that it gets easier to bat later on in inning especially for someone like Misbah who bats in his own world... look at first odi, even Anwar and Bhatti score later against the likes of steyn etc.. today rehman scored some runs.. so it is easier to bat later on.
     
  14. harsha
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    harsha Youngsta Beauty

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    They are still stuck up in the 90's where they either had a go at the bowlers with one of their openers and then slowed down to a standstill when one of them got out....keep wickets in hand till the 43rd over and throw the bat around after that.

    ODI Cricket has changed , Singles more often than boundaries are what get you to a good competitive total.It's imperative that atleast 4-5 runs be taken every over in one's and two's. That keep the scoreboard ticking and the opponent has to keep varying his tactics as the batsman changes.

    The other sides have made that adjustment , With australia in the late 90's with Bevan , India with the onset of yuvraj etc in 01 and the other sides around the same time as India.

    Pakistan batting have only two modes....BLOCK and SLOG
     
  15. ALbIe
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    ALbIe Smooth Operator

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    Get anyone in Top 5 Run charts in! Give him 10 games at least and if he fails try the next cabbie off the rank!
     
  16. SwingNSeam
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    SwingNSeam Boom Boom

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    forget rotating the strikes..they couldnt even put the bat on the ball.
     
  17. Captain
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    Captain Youngsta Beauty

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    we are mentally weak... skill is there... just not mentally/psychologically strong...
     
  18. baqir
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    baqir Cornered Tiger

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    Actually, handling pressure games is the weakness.

    Such as Ind vs Pak.

    High totals chasing.
     
  19. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Shahzad.Firdous Cornered Tiger

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    wrong batsmen sent up the order in a knock out match. ur most experienced batsmen like Afridi and Malik should be batting up the order and inexperienced guys like Ahmed Shahzad should be batting at 7 even though he got a century in last game before this!
     
  20. ManHOOS
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    ManHOOS Talented

    Sep 19, 2010
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    This tuk tulla tuk tulla mentality of tapeball laparoos Lmao
     
  21. SwingNSeam
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    SwingNSeam Boom Boom

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    main prob we have is a few guys think they are batsmen and so do the selectors.
     
  22. Fireworks11
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    There isn't any real quality match winner. Even Seniors Malik and Hafeez are mediocre.
     
  23. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    Its all in the head. WE need a complete new team who are not aware that India is also a country on the map.
     
  24. s_h_a_f
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    s_h_a_f Moderator

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    They can't bat. Simple
     
  25. saiyan0321
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    saiyan0321 Cornered Tiger

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    Simple

    They don't have the batting skills and they don't have the passion nor the fire to improve their games.. Umar akmal and shezad are talented but they don't improve and in this game if you don't improve you regress. Thus they stand levels below other batsmen.
     
  26. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Shahzad.Firdous Cornered Tiger

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    we lost today because of the 2 runouts! Karachi boys running like mad cows! Khurram Manzoor and Afridi (cus of Sarfraz) runouts were the reason we lost the match!
     
  27. iho
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    iho Smooth Operator

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    Thats a Gem
     
  28. chandtara
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    chandtara Mr Cricistan

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    Mentally weak, can't handle big game pressure. They don't make them like they used to
     
  29. SwingNSeam
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    SwingNSeam Boom Boom

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    this thread is 3 years old (and the problem persisted way before that), and its still relevant. dont know wether this is funny or really sad.
     

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