Pakistani players perfectly reflect their fans

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  1. Feather
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    I have been following cricket for least 10 years now and much of this time has been spent following cricket on forums such as this with plenty of others to share their opinions.

    In my honest opinion there is nothing more that hurts Pakistan cricket then its fans and their doing.

    There always seems to be a large group of supporters of certain players willing to goto any extent to make sure their favorite player is not only within team but never held responsible for anything.

    If Player A is in the side to open and he simply isn't good enough. Fans will blame the management for using the player as an opener and ask for the player to be moved down the order. Not only that they will ask someone who has batted their entire life at either 4/5 down to open or move up the order. If they refuse they are cowards.

    If Player B is scoring runs for fun at his given position or least seems to be doing very well. Someone comes along and suggests Player X be tried at the position regardless of the player X has done anything to earn the spot.

    PCB keeping with its tradition of ill planning will simply move Player B to open where he is going to have a tough time or move him down the order where he isn't useful. All this to satisfy some fans and egos. In the process perhaps ending a promising career.

    If this isn't enough when a player finally decides to put a price on their wicket and score for the team at healthy strike rate we want those players to be dropped because they are too slow!! No sixes...no strike rate of 140% your simply not good enough doesn't matter you average above 40/50 or 60.


    When these players are no longer required to be hitting sixes and fours but playing a good solid test innings and they do fail miserably their fans find something else or someone to blame on.

    Why stop there. These players are loved so much instead of asking the right questions such as why are they dropping sitters fans want special coaches on how to train the Pakistani cricketers on how to catch dollies.

    All the problems Pakistan cricket is facing and will continue to face is simply directly or indirectly the result of double standards from the PCB and Pakistani fans and reflected within our cricketers. Who would much rather play in the IPL then for Pakistan.

    Until we start selecting our teams on pure merit nothing is going to change. Instead of supporting team Pakistan we support certain players and then wonder why there is power struggle going on.

    Let us grow up and send the right message to our cricketers and the PCB.
     
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    Mercenary The Lone Wolf

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    I'm in complete agreement with you.

    Certain players get away with poor performance and attitude because they know that they have a strong enough lobby behind them not to worry about little things like performing. Guys like Imran Farhat, Salman Butt and Faisal Iqbal come to mind for that.

    Then there are the guys who have such a huge blind fan following that they do exactly as they please, even to the extent of attacking their own team mates safe in the knowledge that people will take to the streets in support of them even if they were in the wrong. A certain Shoaib Akhtar comes to mind for that!

    With these sorts of fans and lobbies pressuring the selectors and the PCB officials how can we ever hope for our team to become more professional. First we need to sort out our own mentality!
     
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    Well, i have to admit i am in agreement with you. The major reason behind this approach is that there is no system in place. When there is a system in place and people put their faith behind that system, then slowly and gradually the system starts producing results. The system might not be perfect. It might need changes over time, but one thing that a system does is that it weeds out anomalies, inconsistencies and ambiguities. Other thing that a system does is that it doesn't depend on an individual. Unfortunately what we are seeing has happened previously in Hockey and Squash, where individual talent brought many awards for the country, but due to the absence of a system, we never capitalized on it. The same thing is happening in cricket now. And our administrators don't have a clue. I don't need to go through the idiotic decisions taken of late, they are there for everyone to judge.

    Unless and until we have a system in place we are going to go down and keep on going down.
     
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    I'm glad you brought up the importance of a proper infrastructure Zee. We need some sort of framework in place which ensures that certain actions are taken automatically.

    EG if a player drops X amount of catches then he is sent for specialist training regardless of whether or not he or the coach want that to happen. If the player refuses then he effectively sidelines himself from future selections.

    The only way a professional approach will work in a setup like the PCB is if the decisions are taken out of the hands of individuals.
     
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    The problem here is, that we are facing both short term and long term problems. Neither do we have a system in place to take care of long term issues, nor do we have a dedicated team which can rise above personal issues and differences and fight for the cause.

    Our fans/nation doesn't have the patience to let a system work. We as a nation do have a thing or two for personality worship. For us individuals are above the system. For example Player X can violate discipline, give rise to factions in the team, disrupt the team's training regime, but if he can perform then the proverbial "100 Khoon Maaf" attitude takes over, completely discounting the disruptive influence that the particular individual has on the team as a whole.

    Dictators like Imran Khan met success, because they were shrewd enough not to let anyone dictate terms to them. As soon as a replacement was available, they kicked out the so called "Senior" person and replaced him with a more down to earth but talented junior.

    What we can do is to cover up short term problems by giving firing and hiring authority to the captain, the final team selection, and then make him fully responsible for the team's performance.

    For the longer term solution probably a rating system based upon domestic and international performances should be developed, giving weight to the following factors.

    1) Whether national or international match
    2) Whether home or away
    3) Type of Pitch
    4) Type of Opposition.
    5) Match position.

    Every player whether playing in the national team or a domestic team, should have a ranking. And only players with the top ranking should make it to the national team.

    That way every player would what he needs to do in order to make it or retain the top level position.
     
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    The recent bans on Moyo and Younis plus the fine on Afridi should've opened certain fans eyes to the fact that it's not just the players they dislike who are at fault but I dont think it'll make any difference.
     
  7. Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
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    excellent post... totally agreed.
     
  8. Feather
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    Wishful thinking. When the bans were made public right away people were attacking the PCB and the players they disliked. Just because Younis and Yousaf are better bat most people wanted their bans lifted or least their fans wanted their bans lifted without ever discussing or thinking why these two got a harsher punishment then someone like Malik who has been butt of all jokes or least supposedly behind the grouping within the team.

    I am still waiting to see why Malik and Rana were banned as no reason was given earlier in the report. Which player or players tried to fix matches. PCB is a joke and it turns out...the joke isn't even funny. Actually this joke of an organization stinks from top to bottom and is spreading the filth every chance they get.
     
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    Fans will be fans. Nowhere in the world does a board goes by the mood of the fans. A correct decision Might not be a popular decision too. Its for the board to prove that its decision was correct. Unfortunately as i wrote in one of my posts above, the volatile nature of our board appointments ensure that they give serious weight to public outcry and hence when under pressure, they take back their decisions, thus its name becomes synonymous to U-Turn in the process damaging the very cause, the hope for mitigation of which led to the decision itself.
    There are reasons in the report. It has only not been made public. Whereas i do believe its the sole domain of PCB to retain the report contents and not make it public (It is technically correct, desirable or not) and act according to that report. As far as the players are concerned, they are free to challenge it, which again any decent self-respecting cricketer should be doing if not for his position, just to clear his name.
     
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    It's two years on from this thread but even 20 years on nothing will have changed except the players who are the current favourites. Pakistan fans are just as much to blame as the Pakistan team.
     
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    While I agree that the players each have their faults, the bans in particular were, I think, just a diversion by the PCB to hide their own bungles during and after the disastrous tour of Australia. Why, because none of the reasons were solid. Malik and Rana were banned because they were accused either of underperforming/rebelling/fixing, none of which was substantiated properly. Younus and Yousuf were given the vaguest reasons for their bans too, Younus for having gone fishing after an alleged revolt (this too btw through supposed leaks, we have no idea if that oath thing really was a rebellion or the excuse that Malik and Yousuf gave of vowing to stick by the captain, even Younus said he couldn't control the players and not that there was a revolt), and Yousuf was fined for stepping in as captain which nobody else in their right minds would've done after the drama, and then being a poor tactician. None of these reasons are hanging offences. The supposed hanging offences that Malik and Rana aare supposed to have committed have not been at all substantiated, they're just called "troublemakers" by Intekhab who has bipolar views. Along with that Afridi's fine for the ball-gnaw, yet he was made next captain. None of it made sense and in that particular incident I think the tribunal itself was as much a joke as the playas and the fines really didn't prove anything. Which is why I find it annoying when people refer to the abovementioned players as being troublemakers (it doesn't matter whether they're fans of Younus or Afridi or Malik, they each blame anybody but the player they like). I don't think that tribunal substantiated or proved anything, it was a complete joke
     

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