Prime Minister Imran Khan and PTI government - Performance watch thread

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  1. Mycroft Holmes
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    what are you moaning about now? well just 2 points, if you calling the army out on nepotism, what happens to your moral outrage when your heroes do it? Didnt you put forward maryam nawaz as a savior? The poster woman for nepotism?
    And you support an imbecile that thinks wikileaks is an actual person. So you really shouldn't be commenting on the education system.
    spare everyone your incoherent ramblings. Its a simple case of if the army threw the sharif clan or fazlur a bone you'd be singing their praises.
     
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    ah yes, the magical state with its mind control abilities that no one else in the world has been able to master. the puppet master with invisible strings, that even in a country like pakistan, there are no signs of any evidence for except one solitary book: military inc which talks about how the size of their influence is fractional compared to that of the civilian government. a perfect foil for the enemies of the state to blame the army and the incumbent government in the hope that the previous crooks get in who will line their pockets with blood of the innocents.

    lets see, perhaps instead of the military man, a seasoned civilian politician should have been employed, from a party that Zaman thinks was far more competent. lets see, lets find some seasoned politicians who have been office multiple times, so they know what they are doing, know the responsibility they have to the people, and who realise cheating them would be treason, maybe:

    nawaz? nope, hes in jail/on the run
    maryam? nope, corruption charges
    shabaz? nope, corruption charges
    saad Rafiq? nope, corruption charges
    Zardari? nope, corruption charges
    talpur? nope, corruption charges
    khawaja salman Rafiq? nope, corruption charges
    Lt Gen Javed Ashraf Qazi? (but but but the military run everything) nope, corruption charges
    Lt Gen Saeed-uz-Zafar? (but but but the military run everything) nope, corruption charges
    Maj Gen Hamid Hasan Butt? (but but but the military run everything) nope, corruption charges
    Brig Akhtar Ali Baig? (but but but the military run everything) nope, corruption charges
    Sharjeel Memon whisky honey alchemist? nope, corruption charges
    Hanif Abbasi? nope, corruption charges
    Yousuf Raza Gilani ? nope, corruption charges
    Shahid Khaqan Abbasi? nope, corruption charges
    Ishaq Dar? nope, absconder
    salman Shahbaz? nope, corruption charges
    Imran ali (shabaz son in law)? nope, corruption charges
    Liaquat Qaimkhani? nope, corruption charges
    Muhammad Bux Mahar? nope, corruption charges
    rana sanaullah? nope, corruption charges
    mohsin dawar? nope, corruption charges



    etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
     
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    @izaman like sharif picks and choses. While sharif picks the appropriate time to be ill izaman picks and choses when to be outraged.
    From what ive read Nawaz Sharif was given his first meaningful political post by the 'deep state' ie zias regime.

    i like the planet mars, large, empty and devoid of intelligent life.
     
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    yet more success.

    https://arynews.tv/en/govts-efforts-bear-fruit-as-pia-losses-drop-significantly/

    "KARACHI: The government’s efforts to turn the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) into a profitable organisation seem to be bearing fruit as the national flag carrier’s losses saw a significant drop in its deficit in first six months of 2019.

    According to figures acquired by ARY News, the airline’s revenue rose by 44.1 per cent from Jan to June of the current year."
     
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    44% wtf where they doing before? hookers and blackjack? That must have been epic mismanagement.
     
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    apparently this government doesnt know what it's doing... but the previous one was going from strength to strength...

    until they all went to jail.
     
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    Interior minister: Brig Ijaz Shah
    Secretary Interior Minister: Major Salman Azam
    Attorney General: Captain Anwar
    IG Punjab: Captain Arif
    Chairman Cpec: General Asim Bajwa
    Chairman PIA: Air marshal Arshad
    Chairman Wapda: lt general muzammal hussain
    Managing Director PTV: major general asif ghafoor
    Director Civil aviation authority: Squadron Leader Shahrukh Bakht
    Director General Anti narcotics: major General arif malik
    Director Airport Security: Major General Zafarul Haq
    Federal Public services comission:
    Major General Azeem Asif
    National Disaster Management: Lt General Umar Mahmood
    PM housing authority head: lt General Anwar Ali
    Director SPARCO: Major General Qaiser Anis
    Director General NAB: Major Shahzad Saleem
    National Disaster funds: Lt General Nadeem
    President of Pakistan Olympics Association: General Arif Hussain


    What a brilliant career these people have. All civilians are corrupt. We bloody civilians are the actual problem of this country.
     
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    Here's how elections are held in Pakistan Olympics association under a democratic government.
     
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    how were they conducted under the previous democratic governments?
     
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    What matters is now? Do you have any answers on why so many positions which belong to civilians are held by army jawwaaans who are supposed to be at the border as far as I know.?
     
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    no, what matters is what happened before too. why dont you have that information if you have been fighting the fight against the army for so long?

    whats the full list of employees in all the institutions so we can see if this list represents 80% of appointments like you are implying, or 5% which is what its more likely to be? I see you've included positions like airport security and anti narcotics in your massively exhaustive list of 18 positions.

    in addition, for the appointments which have been 'elected unapposed' - whats the Pont there? do you have any evidence on the post not bing advertised and other applications not being considered? how do you know no-one else was dying to be the lady associate Secretary General? what did this list look like in previous regimes?

    how do you explain the army personnel who have been prosecuted and have cases against them for corruption if as you suggest the army control everything?
     
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    Everything is available but why should I gather information when it is clear as daylight to me on what has been happening since my childhood. I live in Pakistan and I know what I am talking about.

    You can deny the establishment all you want but it doesn't change what happens in the real world.
     
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    you can talk about it as much as you want to, and presend its all true as much as you want. you have failed repeatedly to provide any evidence, and instead your successive civilian, corrupt regimes have hammered the country into an almost catastrophic disintegration.

    its surprise that for the billionth time you have been unable to justify the propaganda you spray all over these boards when you are challenged, and instead falling back under your security blacket excuse of 'I know and you dont'.

    had this government not come in and started stopping the rot, Pakistan would have ended up in two directions - it would have imploded and turned into syria with the us/gulf/Israel/india on the one hand and china/Russia one the other. or else it would have become an increasingly servile vassal state like Egypt/greece/all of Africa and South America.

    ive provided multiple sources of evidence of all that from all manner of courses, which of course people like you are unable to comment on because facts get in the way of your selfish agendas of self-engorgement at the cost of poor people.

    we will all have to pay for our actions at one time or another.
     
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    Problem with izaman is hes the other side of the same coin. Its not the corruption that bothers him its that its not his guys in charge doing the corruption... he is like the devin Nunes of cricstan.
     
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    The government has filed a petition to stop the decision of the Musharraf treason case.

    So much for equal justice.. Lolol.
     
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    https://www.geo.tv/latest/258588-additional-attorney-general-tariq-khokhar-resigns-from-post



    Additional Attorney General Tariq Khokhar resigns
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    My conscience did not allow me to pursue the high treason case against Musharraf, Tariq Mehmood Khokar said. Photo: Reuters

    ISLAMABAD: Additional Attorney General Tariq Mehmood Khokhar on Tuesday resigned from his position, saying that his conscience does not allow him to pursue the high treason case against former president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf.

    Khokar had filed the petition on behalf of the government seeking to postpone the judgement against the former president in the Islamabad High Court.

    The now former additional attorney general, according to sources privy to the matter, had met Prime Minister Imran Khan prior to his resignation. The two reportedly discussed the Musharraf case during their meeting.

    Khokar was appointed as the additional attorney general in July 2018.
     
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    Fair to say that there is something fishy going on between the CJP - Army - PM otherwise things would have been solved behind the curtains. If things are getting public then it means there's fire behind it.

    Either Musharraf gets a ruling against him - possibly a death sentence - or Bajwa has to leave.
     
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    so basically your *****ing about the fact that your guys are notbin power.... You truly are an odd person.
     
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    Yet you ***** even when heads of state are Oxford alumni. All the while pushing for idiots who think wikileaks is a conspiracy or who are the beneficiarys of nepotism like maryam.
     
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    Another question for the youthiyas. Why is PTI hell bent on delaying the decision for Musharraf?

    IK had recently said that he wants justice to be the same for all and now his government is pleading SC not to give a decision in a case which is closed.
     
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    I think it might be because its hilarious to see you crying about it.

    also though, I thought you were saying the army controlled everything, so whats the worry? unless now suddenly they dont control anything with their massive long extensive powers reaching everywhere in pakistan.

    make your mind up.
     
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    What a childish argument. Establishment does control everything but there are times when things don't go their way and they panic. Dharna has also made the corrupt lot weaker. So stop crying like a baby (I know you are about to lose your daddy) and answer the question.
     
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    they control everything but sometimes they dont?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH
     
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    Don't embarrass yourself kid. Enjoy your life abroad. You have no right to talk about Pakistan while knowing nothing about it.

    There's no reason to expect objectivity from you.
     
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    brilliant response. since the establishment control everything, did they type your reply for you? unless you are currently in a 'when I said the establishment control everything, they do, but they dont at the moment, but that doesnt mean they do control everything'.

    embarrass myself.

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
     
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    oh wow, now youre resorting to negative rating posts?? are you serious?? thats hilarious! HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHA

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    The establishment may not control everything but in a country like Pakistan, the military, its allied agencies and other organisations seem to enjoy more power and impunity than civilian institutions.

    Military leaders and dictators seem to enjoy immunity to prosecution and crime. People and agencies allied to the military and the whole security apparatus seem to be invincible. Examples of Rao Anwar, killers of innocent children's parents by the security personnel in the Sahiwal massacre etc are glaring examples.

    In Pakistan, without the approval of military chiefs, no elected sitting PM be prosecuted in a court of law nor will ever get convicted. No party can come to power without their allegiance, and if it does, it wont last its legal tenure.

    Problem is not the PTI, its the establishment. PTI government, just like others is reliant on the establishment, and cant do without their support. It does not necessarily mean the Army is literally ruling the country, but nothing can be done against their wishes and whim. PTI at the current time happen to be the least unpleasant option for the establishment, and hence are in the power.

    Supporters of PTI who cant help praising the establishment must realize they are nobody's friends and are out their to protect their own interest, and when their job will be done, PTI can be disposed off swiftly as well.
     
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    What we can safely assume is that the establishment is not only the Big Bad Army, or the miltablishment as people like Najam sethi would like to confuse people with.
    The elites are the establishment, faces change depending on the situation.
    It is exactly what Imran had identified.
    Except that it is confusing who is with who now.
    and thats the game.
    whether imran is playing the game or being played with, time will tell.
     
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    I love this 'establishment' myth... as if there is this all pervasive force that cannot be defeated but is conveniently forgotten about when it suits.
    As far as people like izaman are concerned Pakistans establishment is up there with the illuminati, America's CFR and pennywise the clown.
    "Bbbbbut the establishment hate sharif and co"
    When you highlight that sharif is probably the longest serving pm albeit with 3 non consecutive terms and an autocratic dictator Zia gave him his big break...
    "Bbbut the establishment didnt care or see them as a threat back then"
    aaand then it....
    'Khans in bed with the establishment'
    when the courts overule extensions to Bajwas post...
    'Yeahhhh about that....'
    This idiocy and ethical gymnastics is about as amusing as sharifs amazing ability to heal himself based on his geolocation.
     
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    This is hilarious. The person whose extension is being discussed is attending the meeting in which theres a discussion on his own reappointment..LMAO!


    Army chief’s extension: Gen Qamar attends emergency meeting at PM Office
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    COAS arrives at PM Office to attend an emergency meeting. PHOTO: FILE

    Prime Minister Imran Khan is chairing an emergency meeting of senior members of the federal cabinet to deliberate upon the proceedings of Supreme Court in connection with extension in tenure of Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa.

    The army chief is also attending the meeting being held at the PM Office on Wednesday, sources told Express News.

    The government’s legal team is briefing the prime minister and his cabinet over objections raised by the apex court during today’s hearing.

    The high-level meeting is called to consult on amendments made in rules of the Army Act, sources said. Senior Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) leader and the representatives of the law ministry Babar Awan is also present, they added.

    Army Act in focus as SC adjourns hearing of General Bajwa’s tenure extension

    In a rare move, the top court on Tuesday had suspended until today a government notification of reappointment of General Qamar, who was due to retire on November 29, for another three-year term.

    According to a statement issued by the Prime Minister’s Office on November 21, the notification for General Qamar’s reappointment was issued on August 19, which said that he would continue to serve as the COAS until November 2022.

    While hearing a petition challenging the government’s move earlier in the day, Chief Justice Asif Saeed Khosa had suggested that the government should asses “what it is doing”.

    Observing that the matter of an army chief’s tenure is extremely important and a few generals have granted themselves extension in the past, the chief justice said: “We will carefully look at this issue so that this does not happen in the future.”

    “This is an extremely important issue and the Constitution is silent on it,” added Justice Khosa.

    During the proceedings, Attorney General (AG) Anwar Mansoor Khan also read the oath taken by military officers.

    “The oath of an officer says that they would sacrifice their life if need be and this is very significant. ‘I will never be involved in any political activities’, this is also part of the oath and it is good to stay away from such activities,” said Justice Khosa.
     
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    PTI is like Pakistan cricket team, opposition se nahi khud k blunders se hat sakti hai.
    It seems like the CJP is getting back to Imran to let him know he shouldn't be so loud about the courts when own team is a pack of blunders. Extension documents another childish mess.
     
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    Nice to see judicial oversight is working fine and dandy.
     
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    https://tribune.com.pk/story/2109528/6-positive-signals-rising-pakistans-economy/


    Dramatically rising from the ashes of its predecessor, a phoenix, in ancient Greek mythology, is a bird reborn after a catastrophe with more strength and power. After posting 49 months of back-to-back current account deficits, Pakistan’s economy suddenly posted a surplus. The stock market rose by over 8,000 points in the last few weeks. One billion dollars of hot money poured into the country but is a clear sign of confidence in the stabilisation of the economy. Is Naya Pakistan’s economy about to rise like a phoenix or is this a mirage?

    Let’s talk about the current account deficit turning a surplus. Recall, defaulting on our external liabilities is the single biggest crisis the PTI government inherited. When the PML-N finished its term, the caretaker government rushed to China for a stopgap financing arrangement to avoid default. Businesses couldn’t open LCs because the country didn’t have enough dollars to make the imports it needed.

    As a result, the PTI government had to administer chemotherapy to fight the cancer of twin deficits ripping our economy. The chemotherapy had painful side effects in the shape of inflation and devaluation. However, months later, the first positive signals are palpable. The cancer of deficit is crumbling under the treatment’s sustained pressure; the current account deficit is finally under control!

    At the height of the crisis, I argued in this paper that the PTI government was doing the right thing by administering this economic chemotherapy. I was criticised by those who argued the economy was being run into the ground by PTI’s ‘incompetent’ economic managers. Today, a spectacular 8,000-point bull-run on the KSE demonstrates that smart money and investors think Pakistan is about to take off, not collapse. Hot money pouring in from foreign investors shows the economy has stabilised, even though I’m not comfortable with the volatility of hot money.

    The reason this is great news is because reducing the current account deficit is the only way to break out of our debt cycle with the IMF. The reason every new government rushes to the IMF is because the net outflow of dollars from the country exceeds the net inflow. If we can keep our deficits to a minimum, it will transform the very nature of our economy and boom and bust cycles.

    Moreover, positive signs show at least some reform is taking place to restructure the economy; 800,000 new tax filers and dramatic increases in tax collection are the most promising signs of an emerging fundamental paradigm shift. Pakistan’s biggest issue is that people will pay Zakat but not their taxes. This makes them politically disengaged and leaves the government unable to finance development, unless it borrows. If the government continues its fight to bring previously untouched sectors into the tax net we can finally enter sustainable growth cycles.

    Even on growth which the opposition constantly criticises the government on, Pakistan is expected to beat its target by a significant margin. Journalists who don’t understand economics 101 have been screaming about a collapsing or shrinking economy. News flash: Pakistan’s economy didn’t shrink under the PTI. It just grew at a slower pace. And now that pace is picking up. There’s still a long way to go for Pakistan’s economy to perform at its peak but we are headed in the right direction.

    Why the alarmist, doom and gloom narrative in the media then? The opposition finds a way to spin every good news on the economy negatively, often using incorrect facts. For example, the news of a current account surplus was countered by PML-N leaders with the idea that exports aren’t rising. A blatant lie, exports were up nearly 10% in the month we posted a current account surplus. Here’s the kicker: exports actually declined during the PML-N’s five-year tenure. And the biggest reason exports haven’t increased in Pakistan is because of the PML-N policy of keeping the rupee artificially over-valued to subsidise elite consumption.
     
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    why Shehbaz Shareef whole team of bureaucrats and civil servants have been hand picked and reinstalled by IK into imprtant positions in Punjab? same guys who were declared corruption facilitators for Shareefs and transferred from their posts when PTI came to power have been slowly and gradually moved back to key positions by the PM to give boost to Buzdar govt. These guys had proven track records and integrity. Is it not validation of administrator ship of Shehbaz Shareef?

    Anyways its a good thing that IK swallowed his pride and did the right thing. I think compared to Nawaz, Shehbaz is someone IK could work with. It will only help him develop Punjab further and prolong his term as PM.
     
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    Don't worry. Soon he will have to replace himself as well.
     
  38. MNA
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    No. He is not going anywhere. MUST be given his full term. Good or bad, it will show in 5 years.
     
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    PTI is marketing it's economic numbers well. Ratings from Moody, upward trend in stock market, Pakistani bonds doing well internationally, numbers etc.
     
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    Yes thats a positive
     

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