Rizwan Overhyped and Overrated

Discussion in 'Cricket Talk' started by Patriot, Jan 30, 2019.

Users Who Have Read This Thread (Total: 0)

  1. Munna
    Offline

    Munna Moderator-e-Aala

    Oct 4, 2014
    27,508
    People would want to highlight his batting position or comeback after a longtime justifications, but whatever the situation, the guy looked all at sea and that's a big shortfall at any stage of your career whether young or old. He had a perfect opportunity yesterday to make his mark.
    • He had 20+ overs to get settled and play his shots but he was hardly connecting anything from the middle of his bat
    • Situation also demanded his style of play i.e. nudging into gaps for singles but he struggled even at that
    • He got out playing a rash wild slog under pressure of his own dot balls and and that is gross immaturity at this level

    And an Asian batsman just can not survive being weak against spin. He needs to sort out his issues.
     
  2. s_h_a_f
    Offline

    s_h_a_f Tracer Bullet

    Dec 26, 2011
    7,628
    So there are no other WK batsmen in Pakistan?
     
  3. Del
    Offline

    Del Cornered Tiger

    Dec 21, 2016
    10,483
    No matter how aggressive he is as batsman, his drop catches will always lose you games.

    Icing of the cake, his attitude, which we all saw when he was given a chance on WI tour. He treated Sarfraz like a doormat. That too without making any significant contribution towards the total.

    So thanks but no thanks.
     
  4. Del
    Offline

    Del Cornered Tiger

    Dec 21, 2016
    10,483
    When I watched him after all the hype, I was literally confused for few minutes that am I watching a live game or its old highlights.

    It was embarrassing the way he was playing Tahir & Phehlukwayo (Actually its a sin to give wicket to bowler like Phehlukwayo but we made him hero, once again)

    In those middle over all you need is to rotate strike till 40th over, take score to 210/220 and then you had Shadab and Imad to push the scoring further. This way we might have posted 280+.

    He made 10 runs on 30 balls, which also include a FOUR, that means he make 6 runs on 29 balls - NOT ACCEPTABLE AT THIS LEVEL.

    Still have same issues and I dont think he will be able to fix those. Time to move on.

    I also see comments wherein people are saying what other option(s) do we have. I think we could have two options going forward.

    1) Rohail Nazir, who is keeper for U-19. If I am not mistaken then he opens too for his team. Once he is done with U-19, pick him and invest in him like we're doing with Shaheen.

    2) Lahore Qalandar's wicketkeeper Gulraiz Sadaf, at least he might be able to play some useful cameo's.
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2019
  5. Mohammed Bilal
    Offline

    Mohammed Bilal Tracer Bullet

    Jul 17, 2017
    6,419
    Why so angry for?

    Why so triggered g?
     
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
    • List
  6. Sultan Yusuf
    Offline

    Sultan Yusuf Talented

    Sep 1, 2010
    1,050
    Some people honestly! Can’t believe rizwan gilchrist is still being backed here.

    Sarfraz hasn’t been great either, but let me know where the pak gilchrist is and I’ll say bring him in.

    People have so much hate for Sarfraz that he is being judged as a specialist batsman not as a keeper batsman.

    None of our keepers since moin and rashid have batted consistently well. And even moin and rashid has some horror shows too.

    You can’t produce a gilchrist, dhoni, AB, bairstow or sangakarra out of thin air. And if you can, they will probably be good enough to play as a batsman alone like the latter few have done and you’ll be stuck again.
     
  7. ASLI-PATHAN
    Online

    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

    Apr 26, 2011
    62,542
    What is so good about Sarfaraz the Captain? Can you please shed some light on this. In his Caotaincy we lost 2 home series to SL and NZ. He is in the team because he is Captain. Everyone knows this.
     
  8. Ahson8
    Offline

    Ahson8 Sultan of Swing

    Jun 9, 2012
    18,567
    Both Rohail & Gulraiz are ordinary - even LQ let go of Gulraiz.

    Umair Masood is a far better prospect than both. Gauhar Ali is decent even though age is not on his side. Umar Siddiq is a decent part-time WK. Mohammad Hasan could be tried in tests, don’t think he is LO material
     
  9. Sultan Yusuf
    Offline

    Sultan Yusuf Talented

    Sep 1, 2010
    1,050
    There’s nothing special about anyone. Sarfraz has an icc tournament win and a drawn always series in England.

    Nothing too great, but certainly not the worst. The messiah Misbah got destroyed in every away series until 2016. Then he got destroyed again immediately after.

    The rejuvenated malik didn’t fair much better after the first win.

    I am frustrated with Sarfraz too. However, people just pick on him a bit more than others - and a lot of those reasons are non cricketing. You’re judging his batting when some of the actual batsmen have performed even worse.

    Apply the same standard to all
     
  10. Mohan
    Offline

    Mohan Formerly 'Captain Clutch'

    Nov 4, 2014
    3,979
    :D

     
  11. ASLI-PATHAN
    Online

    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

    Apr 26, 2011
    62,542
    I was also not a fan of Misbah but he was far better than Sarfaraz as Captain. Never lost a home series. He too had a drawn series in England and also the first Captain to win a series in Windies. Sarfaraz's drawn series against England were just 2 tests while Misbah drew 4 tests series. Currently Sarfaraz does not warrant a place in the team and if the dumb PCB continues with him then brace yourselves for a first round exit from the coming WC.
     
  12. Patriot
    Offline

    Patriot Boom Boom

    Oct 8, 2014
    24,946
    we were no.1 in test under Misbah and would have won the series in England had our batsmen not choked in the 3rd test
     
  13. Sultan Yusuf
    Offline

    Sultan Yusuf Talented

    Sep 1, 2010
    1,050
    He never lost a home series with Younis and himself in the batting lineup. Yes Sarfraz hasn’t done well at home, but it was never going to be easy after losing especially Younis. And this is my point. Everyone is judging Sarfraz as if he has the same tools at his disposal as Misbah had. He doesn’t!

    People made so many excuses for Misbah - oh boo hoo spot fixing, oh boo hoo he took captaincy when no one wanted it (that’s not even true) oh boo hoo, no cricket at home. They forget he had a very stable middle order.

    And with Sarfraz, forget making excuses, people are looking for excuses to crucify him.

    You try and sound smart comparing 2-2 vs 1-1. I can argue that the 1-1 was in much more challenging conditions (English May is England’s fortress), where no overseas side does well. In addition, this was Sarfraz’ first away tour. Misbah had dismal away tours for 6 years and is excused for it.

    And first round exit? Ok Bhai, that’s your prediction, I can’t change it, but he has won an ICC trophy before and from a position more hopeless than they are in now. If there’s one thing we’ve done consistently over the last few years is that we play well in England

    Who do you want as captain? Rizwan? Malik? Hafeez? Akmal? After a couple of failures are you going to crucify them too? Or will you make excuses? Most likely yup....you’ll blame Sarfraz for that too.

    Honestly.....some people
     
  14. Sultan Yusuf
    Offline

    Sultan Yusuf Talented

    Sep 1, 2010
    1,050
    Had our batsmen not choked twice against NZ......

    Had our batsman not choked against South Africa first test......

    See, this game is really easy
     
  15. Mohan
    Offline

    Mohan Formerly 'Captain Clutch'

    Nov 4, 2014
    3,979
    There are no rounds in the upcoming world cup. Either you'd qualify for the semis or you wont #JustSaying :)
     
  16. ASLI-PATHAN
    Online

    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

    Apr 26, 2011
    62,542
    I know. And I was mentioning that with Sarfaraz we won't make Semis.
     
  17. Mohan
    Offline

    Mohan Formerly 'Captain Clutch'

    Nov 4, 2014
    3,979
    Too harsh in my opinion. You can argue that he is not the best of batsmen, but there are a couple more in the team who are not.
     
  18. Del
    Offline

    Del Cornered Tiger

    Dec 21, 2016
    10,483
    I might will accept that Gulraiz could, but not sure what make you say it for Rohail.

    Boy has performed well in AUS.

    https://www.pcb.com.pk/pakistan-under19s-tour-of-australia-201718/tournament/1128.html

    He also made useful contribution in U-19 WC

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...-match-group-d-icc-under-19-world-cup-2017-18

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...-match-group-d-icc-under-19-world-cup-2017-18

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...-quarter-final-icc-under-19-world-cup-2017-18

    Only has played 4 FC games, but still maintains ave of 37 with hundred and 50.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/1092313.html

    If he doesn't deteriorate (which our players do usually) then I would certainly like to try him.

    And here is his inning of 100 against a decent attack.

     
  19. Ahson8
    Offline

    Ahson8 Sultan of Swing

    Jun 9, 2012
    18,567
    Don’t rate him, he singlehandedly lost us a game vs SL in Emerging Cup
     
  20. Del
    Offline

    Del Cornered Tiger

    Dec 21, 2016
    10,483
    Just a game and you're jumping guns on him? Don't think its a fair call. We have given 1000 chance to TTFs, investing in a 17 years old make more sense, because its easier to groom him at young age. This is the age where actually proper coaching can make difference.
     
  21. Ahson8
    Offline

    Ahson8 Sultan of Swing

    Jun 9, 2012
    18,567
    Let’s see he’s still young. I rate Umair higher, he played a clutch innings in U19 WC
     
  22. Del
    Offline

    Del Cornered Tiger

    Dec 21, 2016
    10,483
    No wondering he is a good player, that 100 against WI and 81 not out, both innings were special. I reckon he will certainly get his change sooner than Rohail.
     
  23. Sultan Yusuf
    Offline

    Sultan Yusuf Talented

    Sep 1, 2010
    1,050
    Well played rizwan gilly
     
  24. Sultan Yusuf
    Offline

    Sultan Yusuf Talented

    Sep 1, 2010
    1,050
    The majority of teams won’t make semis!! It’s bad not getting to the semis, but not as bad as crashing out in the first round in the previous formats!
     
  25. ASLI-PATHAN
    Online

    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

    Apr 26, 2011
    62,542
    Thanks to format. Right?
     
  26. Ahson8
    Offline

    Ahson8 Sultan of Swing

    Jun 9, 2012
    18,567
    Who would you replace Sarfraz with?
     
  27. Fireworks11
    Online

    Fireworks11 Kaptaan

    Sep 22, 2012
    29,952
    Umar Akmal. Gun bat and can keep.
     
  28. ASLI-PATHAN
    Online

    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

    Apr 26, 2011
    62,542
    A pole would do better.
     
  29. Ahson8
    Offline

    Ahson8 Sultan of Swing

    Jun 9, 2012
    18,567
    I have a feeling he will be back but as batsman

    Oh c’mon he is not that bad that a pole would do better, in tests he should be replaced. In LOs no other option ready unless you want to go back to the Akmals
     
  30. Fireworks11
    Online

    Fireworks11 Kaptaan

    Sep 22, 2012
    29,952
    Is Umar playing for Lahore in psl?
     
  31. Ahson8
    Offline

    Ahson8 Sultan of Swing

    Jun 9, 2012
    18,567
    No, he’s part of Kai Kai Quetta now. A good PSL could turn his fortunes.
     
  32. Sultan Yusuf
    Offline

    Sultan Yusuf Talented

    Sep 1, 2010
    1,050
    What I’m saying is if you “crash out in the first round” as you say and you finish 5th, that’s not as bad as crashing out in the first round in previous tournaments where 6-8 teams have finished ahead of you!

    Anyway, it’s academic. You want him out and you have a zid about it (for reasons that don’t seem to be cricketing) - so be it.
     
  33. ASLI-PATHAN
    Online

    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

    Apr 26, 2011
    62,542
    Believe me I have nothing against Sarfaraz apart from Cricket. Personally he seems a good guy just like Misbah was.
     
  34. isaacking
    Offline

    isaacking Talented

    Jul 16, 2010
    2,137
    Keeper who can't play Spinning?

    Sorry,he is not made to international Cricket.
     
  35. KingOfDoosra
    Offline

    KingOfDoosra Sultan of Swing

    Jun 8, 2012
    16,845
    Highest scorer in a Pakistan win

    What a player!
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2019
  36. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
    Offline

    ShokoTolo_LoloMoto Emerging Player

    Apr 16, 2010
    669
    We were also no 8 under Misbah. This is where he left the team at his retirement. This is more of a potent and true fact.

    Pak getting no 1 was not due to a great performing team effort but various other factors in other teams had to be met for Pak to get on no 1 - which we did, and I think it didn't last for more than a week.
     
  37. Patriot
    Offline

    Patriot Boom Boom

    Oct 8, 2014
    24,946
    Rizwan proved his worth and myself wrong. he should be persisted with. what a player
     
  38. Munna
    Offline

    Munna Moderator-e-Aala

    Oct 4, 2014
    27,508
    His keeping is solid and better than Sarfraz for sure.

    His batting leaves a lot to desire esp in T20 format... but lets see if he does any better in PSL
     
  39. Ahson8
    Offline

    Ahson8 Sultan of Swing

    Jun 9, 2012
    18,567
    He is obviously more suited to the top order. He should be batting at 4 to maximise his potential if he does play.
     

Share This Page