Discussion in 'Cricket Talk' started by iho, Apr 15, 2015.
His domestic profile suggests someone who is a Railo Kata- a bits n pieces cricketer.
yea more like Shoaib Malik
If your benchmark for this position is Afridi then Nasim fits in nicely. His stats are better than our hero.
Now that Afridi is gone all sorts of threads are popping up on parchi and relu-katta players, bits and pieces et al. As long as he was there we were all very happy with mediocrity because........Afridi is a lagund!
Saad Nasim will continue to prove that he is parchi. There is no comparison with Afridi.
does not seem to have any talent,perfect definition of bits & pieces cricketer
Lanat hugai phai ..now we are even loosing to bangladesh ..najam sethi may you burn in hell
Another loser thread on regionalism.
There are some good young players from Lahore and surrounding areas (Gohar, Babar and Aslam) but the majority of the players selected, Saad Nasim, Adnan Akmal, Shakeel Ansar, Owais Zia are all pretty much garbage and no clue how they end up on the selection radar. Rizwan was denied a few times by some of these parchis, but for some reason the selection committee decided to select on merit for once
Can't bat, can't field. Everyone got excited because of a few good performances in the champions league. Probably the worst cricketer to ever represent Pakistan.
Please. As much as I dislike those players, they were much better than Saad Nasim.
He has no talent whatsoever.
Now it is official.
Have to call out the idiocy of this thread, Saad Nasim top scored with a 77 today. Wondering if you are working on a Fawad Alam thread right now after his 0 today and 14 the other day? Or perhaps one on Sarfraz? Of course that would be absurd but have to call out the hypocrisy of those who boil everything down to regionalism.
To the OP: Don't worry we're not creating Karachi threads on Fadi and Sarfaraz.
The thread was created based on his statics in domestic which is fairly mediocre for someone to be part of playing eleven. Cricket is a sport where numbers dont lie. Even Imran Farhat has scored few centuries in his career but in the long run he turned out to be a mediocre player as expected. So no need to be exicited with an occasional 50 from Saad.
Well we have a selection from Karachi in the shape of Fawad who has monstrous domestic statistics but is utter garbage.
^ :rofl :rofl :rofl first time I've seen someone spoke truth about fawad
but this saad nasim really seems likes a parchi shoved in place of some unfortunate talent. I don't know what they saw in this pile of mediocrity....
Nasim is a utility player who will often punch above his weight because he's a thinking cricketer. However, you cannot beat the best teams with utility players. A useful squad player though.
Not talented whatsoever. Ugly strokes. Can't play pace bowling, short bowling etc but like Misbah he stays in and gets his eye in after 40+ deliveries.
To me he is similar to Misbah in that he is merely a post-collapse batsman.
He is NOT a power hitter, and will FAIL in this role. He should NOT play at 7.
If you want to play him, play him at 4/5. But we have better batsman in Rizwan, Haris, Maqsood, Akmal for this position so I would NOT select him.
Hammad is a MUCH better option at 7 then Saad Nasim.
why not take a gamble with bilawal?.... at least he's someone with flashes of brilliance.......it takes special talent to hit 4 fours in one over of dale steyn on south African turf when he was untouchable
hell I would even prefer anwar ali over other choices, in times of crisis like this just play him as a batsman...many all-rounders have transitioned to specialists over period of time
An average of 43 in international odi cannot be considered an utter garbage. Clearly there is some bias in your assessment
Why the hate for Saad Nasim? He hasn't been brilliant but nothing horrible either? Decent option to have in a squad. He needs to improve w/ the ball though to be really useful.
If we have to take cheap shots. Yes Hammad Azam is talented etc but it's taken Nasim 2 matches to do what Hammad didn't in 8. I don't like this sneery attitude we have towards young players
That average is only going one way. The more he plays, the more teams will figure him out and expose him.
He's not cut for this level and has massive flaws in his technique. The guy can't put away 80 mph full tosses for heaven's sake, and is so limited and predictable that if you restrict his singles, he will end up 29 not out of 50 deliveries in the last 10 overs of an ODI. Even a number 11 will score more in such a situation if you give him 50 deliveries.
Name one player in the last 10-15 years who has been as limited and one dimensional as Fawad but still managed to have a success career at this level?
The fact that he's had such a long and success career in our domestic cricket exemplifies how poor and outdated we are. In this era, each player of the opposition is analyzed at a micro-level, and his strengths/weaknesses highlighted. Someone like Fawad will not survive a season in Shield and County cricket, let alone have better F/C average than Sobers.
You are being judgmental. Technically master batsman like Rahul Dravid has rated him as a player with potential so not sure what credentials you have to make these comments. Fawad Alam has performed at International level. He was solely responsible for taking us into the the finals of Asia Cup. Rejecting a player based on personal gut feelings is ridiculous. I would give him adequate run for next 3 series and if he fails to deliver or maintain his average then there is every reason to drop him. After all we gave 5 years to Umar Akmal with no results. This person deserves a fair run, not one or two matches.
He will lose us many games if he bat at 7 since he is not a power-hitter, and will probably get out early looking to hit - similiar to what happened in 1st ODI. If he has to play it has to be at 4 or 5, but I believe we have better options for those positions. (Haris Sohail, Rizwan)
Ummm no he wasn't, would have been a complete and utter waste had Shehzad not made a century and Afridi a quick 50 and obviously vice versa.
Yeah scoring 74 of 70 balls is a complete waste and Shehzad's 103 off 123 was match winning. LOL
Dude simple maths.
Ahmed Shehzad - 103
Mohammed Hafeez - 52
Misbah Ul Haq - 4
Sohaib Maqsood - 2
Fawad Alam - 74
Abdur Rehman - 8
Shahid Afridi - 59
Umar Akmal - 14
+ 13 extras = 329
Now minus Shehzads 103. 329 - 103 = 226
Or minus Afridi's 59. 329 - 59 = 270.
Or minus Hafeez's 52. 329 - 52 = 277.
So no Fawad didn't "singlehandledly take us to the finals". Please next time don't let the biasedness come in the way of your post.
P.S - I actually hated Shehzad's knock but the matter of the fact is, we wouldn't have won without it, like it or not.
Okay I agree shouldn't have used the word "solely" as contributions from Shehzad, Fawad and Afridi was the reason of victory and I think Afridi was the one who got man of the match for his brisk 50 but nevertheless a significant contribution from Fawad that resulted in our victory. So it proves the point that Fawad is a valuable player and should be an integral member of the team.
Our domestic is not the gold standard and Saad was selected based on his CT performance where he faced better international bowlers than our domestics. The problem and absurdity of threads like this is that everything in your world revolves around regionalism and negatively affects the judgement of people like you. It's also in pretty bad taste to not even give a new guy the chance from his first game, your premature judgement was found wanting when he top scored in the second game. Now he may well flop but the jury is also still out on just about anyone else in the team including Fawad. At least show some decency while the young kid gets his chance.
He is a good player but shouldnt play at number 7 its too late for him
Yeah, the same old 'X rated him as a player so what credentials do you have' nonsense.
Dravid also said that Younis should play ODIs, guys like Wasim and Miandad were in favor too, who have more credentials than us, but we should only consider views of these 'experts' when they echoes ours, right? Don't hide behind the opinions of others because you are struggling to counter my reasoning. Unless you are one of those who never disagrees with what former players say because their credentials are more proven, which I doubt is the case.
The Asia Cup was a year ago, and since then he has been humiliated by Australia and Bangladesh. Besides, you didn't answer my question - name one player in the last 10-15 years who was as limited as Fawad but managed to have a successful ODI career. There is no one.
The only defense is years old stats, which mean nothing simply because he's being worked out by teams now, and if he wasn't dropped in 2010 in the first place, his career would have been over a couple of years ago and people would have been calling him a TTF.
Worst timer of the ball, zero conviction in his shots, can't play pace, can't play spinners angling the ball into his body (arm ball for off-spinners; conventional delivery for left-arm orthodox bowlers). Yes he will score runs, if you push the field back and bowl to his strengths - wide outside the off-stump, or half-trackers on the leg side. He simply has no Plan B and when you take him out his comfort zone, he's a liability.
By all accounts, give him more chances, but he is not going to win you games against quality teams with thinking bowlers and captain who know how to exploit weaknesses in opposition players.
Saad Nasim performance continues to prove my point. Completely flopped in the Srilanka A tour. If someone is not an above average performer in a low standard domestic format then how you expect him to do consistently well at the international level.
Completely agree. When you have players like him who wouldn't even make an IPL team play for your national team, of course you're going to lose to Bangladesh.
What message does selecting a player like him send to the actually talented players and those who have a future?
One player is putting his heart in every domestic match and he's not even getting a look in and then you have someone like Nasim who gets in the side based on 2 or 3 performances in a T20 league.
Of course you're team is going to be crap when half don't even deserve to be there.
Was a dodgy selection in first place
LOL, you just don't get it. Waiting for you to also tell us that Fawad has proven himself with the A tour after failing in internationals :lol
And Saad Naseem who even fails in low standard domestic and A team should not be even near the ground
For some reason every time this thread gets bumped, the way Fawad got out to Sunny Arafat in the first game against Bangla crosses my mind.
When people get knocked out by statistical evidences they start becoming judgemental and want to impose their expert opinions about players techniques their weaknesses bla bla bla. However none of these bloggers are any close to being calld an expert. Its funny when you hear things like domestic structure is sub standard, Srilanka A bowling is weak and so on and so forth. If domestic is sub standard and A team players are weak then everone should be scoring 50''s and 100's. if someone is unable to perform even in substandard format then we should not even be talking about those players in this forum. We should not forget that all our previous greats like Javed, inzi, Moyo, Misbah etc had great domestic records no matter how substandard the format is. You cannot expect a player averaging in low 30's in domestic can suddenly come on international level and start performing briliantly.