Sarfraz or Rizwan?

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  1. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Shahzad.Firdous Cornered Tiger

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    Sarfraz ko limited overs cricket mein select karna chahye.. Rizwan test cricket mein set hogaya hai... donon ko equally treat karna chahye...
     
  2. Fireworks11
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    No. Rizwan deserves all 3 formats. Time to invest in him.
     
  3. s_h_a_f
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    This is a not about treating people equally because they are your fav. This is professional sport. Not school cricket. Rizwan is now num1 choice in all formats.
     
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    lol .. u r a true misbah fan .... you think like him too ...

    Poori series mein aik player tha jo active aur quick laga aur jisney fight ki ... ussi ko bahir kardo.
     
  5. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Sarfraz ki bhi buhat contributions hein Pakistan cricket ke liye...
     
  6. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Sarfraz ko chance do ge to woh perform karega na...
     
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    dow saal tak humney usko chance diya aur jawaab mein usney humko “baans” (bamboo) diya.

    aur kitna chance dayn?
     
  8. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Us ne aapko Champions Trophy jeetayi... World Cup aap Mickey Arthur ki waja se haare ho,.. Arthur dropped Azhar Ali from odi team and destroyed his career.. ab ja kar Azhar ka career phir se revive hua hai and i think Azhar should make a comeback in odi team and bat at crucial No. 4 position in odi lineup...
     
  9. Mohammed Bilal
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    No way. What gives Sarfraz the tight to play Odis and T20s ahead of Rizwan?

    Remember Rizwan made back to back centuries against Australia so he can play Odis

    Sarfraz is finished the only people pushing for him are the Karachi mafia.
     
  10. thair9999
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    Why? Because you played with him? Otherwise there is no other reason. Rizwan is doing fine so far.
     
  11. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Bhai meri to Sarfraz se banti nahi thi bilkul cus woh har maamle mein jaldi karta tha... uski adaat hi yehi thi har cheez jaldi mein meri misaal Airport Terminal per woh konsi film thi jo instruction deta tha aeroplane urane wale anariyon ko... Sarfraz leg umpire per khara ho kar bhi banda achi khaasi batting kar raha ho peeche se galat shot khilwa kar out kar deta tha... bhai batting mein jaldi nahi hoti hai last ball tak khelna chahye apni wicket throw nahi karni chahye hai kabhi mera maana hai... aap cricket khel rahe ho to 1 1 ball qeemti hai aap 5 ball phele team out ho jati hai un 5 balls per aap 4 runs bhi banate to ho sakta hai team 2 runs se jeet jaati cus kuch pata nahi hota cricket mein 1 1 run qeemti hota hai mere saath Sarfraz ne koi acha sulook nahi kiya mein 1 team ki captaincy karta tha Sarfraz samne wali team ka captain hota tha mein ne usko buhat baar out bhi kiya hai but Sarfraz mein aur mujh mein jo difference hai woh samajh lein Yousuf aur Misbah wala hai.... Yousuf might be a great batsman and all but Misbah is well educated aur uski education ne use eik bara captain banaya... yehi farq Imran Khan mein aur baki cricketers mein hein ache cricketers to hein but ache cricketer hone ke saath eik cricketing intelligent mind hona har kisi ko naseeb nahi hota uske liye education chahye hoti PHD level ki... but mein apni personal dushmani kahin bhi beech mein nahi laata team ke liye agar Sarfraz theek hai to mein Sarfraz ko support karonga team ke liye Rizwan theek hai to mein Rizwan ko support karonga... Rizwan buhat zabardast player hai but humara masla kiya hai humein 1 player mil jata hai to hum uska doosra backup hi tayar nahi karte Saeed Ajmal khel raha tha to hum backup tayar nahi kar rahe the woh to humari good luck thi humein foran Yasir Shah mil gaya... abhi Yasir Shah khel raha hai to uska backup tayar karna chahye... 3 formats hein kuch players ko tests mein khilayein kuch ko limited overs cricket mein take har koi fresh rahe... James Anderson limited overs cricket nahi khelta cus he is already doing so much in test cricket he does not need to play limited overs cricket... test cricket is men's game, limited overs is boys' game... some take retirement cus of fitness from test cricket like Shahid Afridi and Amir so limited overs cricket suits them depends on person to person..
     
  12. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Karachi Mafia at it again.

    How the hell does Sarfaraz deserves to play ahead of Rizwan?

    He is the only guy with some steel in this team.
     
  13. SwingNSeam
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    You played against him? How did you get him out?
     
  14. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Charity match tha i think eik... I was captain of 1 team and Sarfraz of the other.. Remember, I used to bowl like Saqlain... I used to keep my field up.. I put mid off up and I used to flight the ball alot.. i did not use to bowl flat... Remember, flight and turn is the biggest weapon of a spinner specially a finger spinner... I flighted it, he hit it straight to mid to mid off... i was continuosly bowling to him and knew that if anybody would get him out its me... kisi ki wicket lon nahi lon Sarfarz ko zaroor out karonga and i did. Woh match hum 1 wicket se last over mein haare.. we had set 175 total in 35 overs... last over mein 5 runs were required and there was 1 wicket left... i had the choice to give it to my 5th bowler who had already bowled 6 overs in the game or to try a good medium pacer opener that i had who was a very confident player used to score a lot of runs/ 5th bowler tha woh regular bowler tha but he was not as big a player as my opener.. .i went with my regular bowler and we lost that match...agar aaj captain hota to mein apne opener ke saath jata cus regular bowler i know woh nahi hai but aisi situation mein experience ziada kaam aata hai skill se... 1 main batsman jisko woh log Jonty Rhodes kehte the uska catch bhi meri bowling per drop hua tha i had conceded 31 runs in 7 overs for the wicket of Sarfraz in that game.. i had been economical and kept runs down.. when 45 runs were required and 6 wickets in hand, i called my best fast bowler into the attack and he got me 2 breakthroughs back to back..
     
  15. Mohsin
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    Rizwan hasnt done anything wrong to warrant being dropped (and Sarfraz hasnt done anything to warrant a comeback). HOWEVER, thats not to say he is a T20 bat...thats his weakest format batting wise, so he will have to improve his big hitting.
     
  16. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Rizwan 1 match mein rest kar lega to konsa farq par jayega t20 hi to hai waise hi abhi tak koi match jeete nahi hein ho sakta hai Sarfraz ke aane se barkat ho jaye jo abhi tak nahi ho pa rahi...
     
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    Laiken tum Sarfraz k he peechay Kyon paray thay? Do u have a scorecard of that match?
     
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    We have a T20 WC next year. Every T20 line up should be picked with this in mind. And atm, Rizwan is the one with the plane ticket to india, so makes no sense resting him.
     
  20. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Rizwan to prove hogaya na ab kiya zaroorat hai use prove karne ki... 1 game khelne de Sarfraz ko.. team jeeti nahi hai abhi tak ho sakta hai barkat hojaye us ke khelne se... kabhi kabhi koi banda lucky hota hai team ke liye...
     
  21. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Scorecard to nahi hai... Sarfraz samne wali team ka best player tha aur mein team ka best bowler... Best bowler in the team bowls to best batsman of other team.. he was captain of his team and I was Captain of mine...
     
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    How many wickets in how many games? Hard ball? Can u bowl a doosra?
     
  23. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Wickets pata nahi kitni lin hongi 11 saal ki age se 30 saal ki age tak waqfe waqfe se cricket kheli hai..Doosra mein usually kar nahi pata but kabhi with the angle i try to drift the ball outside to right hander and it does from the over wicket angle at times but when i come round the wicket to a right hander it does worry right handers alot... cus when i turn the ball into a right hander they play with the turn straight to my deep fielders at leg side, some balls go with the angle and arm and go outside and become doosra, just watch how Ajmal bamboozled Amla and set him up kept bowling doosras after doosras from round the wicket and he kept trying to swing it towards leg side all failed attempts in the end skied it to deep fielder, but once i tried to do the same but the batsman bluffed me and started playing shots on the offside... i kept bowling supposed doosras after doosras hoping he would swing towards leg side and sky it but he kept hitting me on the offside... 3 huge batsmen had gotten out before him and they were treating me like Muralitharan although I was bowling Shoaib Malik stuff at that time... trick was I was bowling it slow.. I was bowling at their forward defense like Malik.. I had seen Malik bowling in this manner from round the wicket in a test match before in 2009 so I tried copying it and I got 3 wkts... but the 4th batsman instead of playing on the on side started hitting me on the offside... 2 batsmen got out hitting to deep fielders at leg side... 3rd batsman came and first ball hit it straight to point fielder... this one went with the arm... puri bowling peet chuki thi buri tarah 236 ka target diya tha 60 runs reh gaye 7 wkts in hand aur mein ne aa ker 4 overs mein 3 wkts le lin but 4th batsman ne aa ker off side per maarna shuru kar diya...
     
  24. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    seriously ... a street level daft.
    Pata nahi hamaray players itnay zyada disorganized kyun hain?

    Kabhi kisi English players ko iss haalut mein deykha hai? wo log sharaab bhi peetay hain aur late night party bhi kartay lekin games k douran they take full rest and get refreshed and ready for the next morning.

    Idher inkay neendayn he poori nahi hoteen.

    [​IMG]
     
  25. thair9999
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    And this is not jaldi?
     
  26. s_h_a_f
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    Aap ki khuwaab puri hogai

    Lekin laanti Malik still has not been dropped
     
  27. Munna
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    This was pathetic.... criminal actually. Almost lost us the game.

     
  28. s_h_a_f
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    @Shahzad.Firdous ab bhol
     
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  30. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Sarfraz in odis and t20s... Rizwan in tests..
     
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    Rizwan without a doubt. Better keeper, more fit, more energetic and a more promising batter. Feel for Sarfaraz a bit, personally like the guy and he doesn't have an ego like some of the other players but that alone can't determine the spot in the team. Still think if he focuses on just his batting in domestic and performs well he can play as a full time batsman cause frankly those spots are wide open. But between Rizwan and Sarfaraz the choice is obvious.
     
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    this looks really suspicious

    Sarfraz had the ball in his hand at the end but still didn't go for the stumping

    if this was Kamran Akmal, people would have been at his throat by now
     
  33. Shahzad.Firdous
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    If its a mistake, he should be let go... but if he has done this on purpose, he should be punished...
     
  34. thair9999
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    Loos like he lost the ball in the glove's flaps and was embarrassed.
     
  35. Mohammed Bilal
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    I don't understand why they need to be treated equally Shahzad?

    Rizwan is a better player in all formats than Sarfraz. So Rizwan should play. What's there to not understand?

    Did or didn't Sarfraz miss a stumping? Rizwan won MOS against England and also played well in Australia in the Tests. Sarfraz batting number is too low in T20s like Rizwan and in Odis Rizwan scored two centuries against Australia. You know the problem India had recently before Dhoni retired. It would make sense because Dhoni is Dhoni, he's won 3 trophies for India, he was a great player and he was still performing decently. But they dropped him for a weaker option like Pant.

    This absolutely baffles me. Time is over for Sarfraz. He won't ever play that 50th Test match.
     
  36. Shahzad.Firdous
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    At the moment, Rizwan might be looking a better player than Sarfraz but you know what a team is strong when you have atleast 2 options for 1 position.... so that if one is not available for any reason, you have your 2nd option ready and available... You cant just rely on one individuals... you need to create backups as covers as replacements so that when one is not available, there is another one ready to take his place... in the 90s, we had Rashid Latif and Moeen Khan.. similarly, right now in spin dept you have Yasir Shah and Shadab Khan... you have 3 formats available to u... You can play one player in test format and try the other one in limited overs format.. Why you need to play one player in 3 formats... you can easily prepare players by playing 1 player in 1 format and his backup in other 2 (limited overs)... Does Anderson play limited overs cricket? No, he plays test cricket only... Similarly, you should select some players for test format and select the others for limited overs cricket... for example, you can easily play Shaheen Afridi in test format and select Usman Shinwari for limited overs cricket.... This will control the workload on individual players too and you wont get to see Amir kind of situation where players complain about burnout,... u dont want another Amir scenario ... do u??
     
  37. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Obviously, if you put Sarfraz under this kind of pressure by not giving him a chance, asking him to carry drinks and then on public pressure giving him a game... obviously, he will be nervous... anybody would be... u can just simplify things by picking Rizwan for test format and Sarfraz for limited overs cricket... if u put a player under this much pressure he is bound to fumble... You have to manage your resources... Both Sarfraz and Rizwan are equally important for Pakistan... both play for Pakistan and a Coach should not differentiate between the two... At times, a player feels nervous cus he is human after all.. when your competitor performs as well as Rizwan, obviously you would feel nervous... Sarfraz not to forget is ex captain of your team.. Pakistan ka masla hi yehi hai aap apne stars ko value nahi dete ho bilkul... aapke stars phir india ja kar aur doosre mulkon mein kaam karte hein phir aap unko star maante ho...
     
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    There is always only 1 first choice player for a position, unfortunately for Sarfraz he is not that anymore. There was no cry to treat other backup keepers equally when Sarfraz was first choice. So this is the reality. Can't prolong Sarfraz's career, instead why not groom new keeper?
     
  39. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Yes, groom a new keeper sure but always have a backup for a player so that if 1 player gets injured or is not available for some reason, you have another player ready and available to take his position...
     
  40. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Aapko agar new player groom karna hai to best place is limited overs cricket than test cricket...
     

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