T20 squad for this wc 2010

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  1. Wasim
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    Wasim Smooth Operator

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    We're blessed with plenty of great bowlers in this format and its confusing which ones to go with.

    Gul
    Ajmal
    Asif
    Afridi
    Aamer
    Tanvir
    Rana
    Razzaq

    and its a good problem to have. But what about batsmen?

    No Younis, No Misbah. We need to find more of big hitters.

    By the way, here's a thought.

    In the first world cup we had a new left arm pacer in Sohail Tanvir. Who almost took us to the title. His action was weird, and since he was new, nobody had analyzed his videos (which i think is a weak thing to do).

    In the second wc, we had another left arm pacer in Mohd Aamer who took us to victory. Again, he came from nowhere and thats part of our unpredictibility.

    Should we have a new left arm pacer for the third world cup as well? Maybe doesn't have to be a leftie or even a pacer but new bowler, preferably with a weird action, so the video warriors of coward teams wont get a chance to see him before the games. In other formats people study new bowlers and then adjust but in t20 by the time you study a new guy he'd have bowled his 4 overs.

    We also had new batsmen, for that matter. Misbah in the first world cup and Shahzaib Hasan in the 2nd. We should definately take some new unknown batters as well, specially since our batting department doesn't have as much depth.

    Who are some of the new guys you suggest? Hammad Azam is an option but at who's expense? Gul, Ajmal are untouchable. Afridi and Malik are irreplacable. Razzaq is a shoe in. Rana and Tanvir are also there. At this rate even Asif might sit out as Aamer looks better with both bat and bowl in t20.

    At the moment my 15 man squad would be:

    Imran Nazir
    Shahzaib Hasan
    Umer Akmal
    Malik
    Fawwad
    Afridi (c)
    Kamran Akmal
    Rana
    Razzaq
    Gul
    Ajmal

    Aamer
    Tanvir
    Khalid Latif
    Imran Farhat

    I'm not convinced with Fawad's batting in t20 but 1, brilliant fielder 2, only guy who is a consolidator in this line up and 3, lack of options really. But who do we drop for Asif, let alone a new guy?
     
  2. Wasim
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    Maybe we should hold a series of 3 or 5 t20 games between potential players before the World cup.

    Sir Ijaz Butt XI

    Imran Nazir
    Shahzaib Hasan
    Ahmed Shehzad
    Umer Akmal
    Fawwad
    Afridi (c)
    Sarfraz
    Rana
    Tanvir
    Aamer
    Ajmal


    Sir Intikhab Alam XI

    Khalid Latif
    Imran Farhat
    Mohd Hafeez
    Saeed Bin Nasir ?
    Kamran Akmal
    Malik (c)
    Misbah ?
    Razzaq
    Hammad Azam
    Gul
    Asif


    Like I said, too many bowlers and allrounders and too many openers but not enough middle order batsmen.

    How'd you improve these teams?

    Which team do you think would take this series?
     
  3. Disco Lemonade
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    As much as i am a fan of Imran Nazir, he has really shown no maturity over the years. Imran Farhat is a parchee parcheeeeee and we dont want him either. Afridi and Akmal to open. We then have Malik, Fawad, Umar and Razzaq in the middle order. As Razzaq have hit some form we really really need him to be there in the last five overs. Fawad on 3 is a tricky situation because u really want to utilise the first 6 overs even if couple of wickets fall early, so he come in at 4 and the evil malik at 3. Then we have the talented umar followed by Razzaq to finish the game for us. This is a pretty solid t20 batting lineup, and we definitely have the best bowling lineup for t20 anyway.

    kamran akmal
    shahid afridi
    shoaib malik
    fawad alam
    umar akmal
    abdur razzaq
    mohammad aamer
    saeed ajmal
    umar gul
    saeed ajmal
    mohammad asif

    we can probably remove asif for some allrounder, but then we dont really have a quality bowling allrounder. asif with the new ball gives us an edge and also incase umar gul have a bad day, we can turn to razzaq for his experience.

    Edit: infact we can replace Sarfraz Ahmed for Asif or Aamer.
     
  4. Mercenary
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    To be honest I dont think there's a lot wrong with our T20 team, we just need a few adjustments and we're good to go. Below are my 15 players...

    Playing XI

    Kamran Akmal
    Shazaib Hasan
    Fawad Alam - he is a strike rotator and belong at this position
    Shoaib Malik
    Umar Akmal
    Shahid Afridi
    Abdul Razzaq
    Mansoor Amjad
    Mo Aamer
    Umar Gul
    Mo Asif


    Reserves

    Rana Naved
    Hammad Azam
    Nasir Jamshed (remember him?)
    Saeed Ajmal

    I think the above team could easily go all the way and the reserves will cover most permutations. Maybe Anwar Ali in for Rana but other than that the above team could take us to the Cup.
     
  5. Disco Lemonade
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    Disagree there, it is likely that a wicket will fall in the first two overs when Pakistan is playing, there are 4 overs still left of the powerplay. Fawad will get stuck. Plus we have our best strikers coming in at 5,6 and 7?? they will hardly have 5-7 overs between them max. we need them to take the strike as much as possile. Also Ajmal is now a specialist t20 spinner u cannot leave him out he makes a great partnership with afridi.
     
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    Use Fawad in a floating role, preferably in the middle (if required). It's only 20 overs, you need to give maximum time to your bashers. Fawad is ideal in a situation like the last game, where a collapse happened and he kept Razzaq company.

    Apart from that Fawad is a fab fielder and useful bowler, though he's not had much luck or chance to prove.
     
  7. MoiN
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    My playing XI

    Kamran Akmal
    Imran Nazir
    Umar Akmal
    Shahid Afridi (c)
    Fawad Alam
    Shoaib Malik
    Abdul Razzaq
    Muhammad Aamer
    Saeed Ajmal
    Umar Gul
    Muhammad Asif

    Reserves
    Shahzaib Hasan
    Wahab Riaz
    Rana Naved
    Sohail Tanvir
     
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    Imran Nazir is a must

    You need 3 openers who are potentially destructive and so I'd definitely have Imran Nazir. So what if he did not come off in Dubai ? West Indies pitches will be different and in that time Shahzaib or Kamran or A.n.other may have gone off the boil. We all know what Imran Nazir can do.

    Furthermore having Imran Nazir for his electric fielding alone is crucial to my mind in T20.

    Fawad Alam selects himself on account of his strike rotation and his excellence in the field.

    I can not understand why people persist in the belief that Gul is one of our top bowlers when all evidence points to the contrary in all formats over a long period of time.

    Yasir Arafat has proven himself again recently and I would prefer to include the extra batting option of an Arafat/Rana/or even Tanvir ahead of Gul.
     
  9. HuskerFan
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    Tentative 30 speculated by Daily Jang;

    1. Afridi
    2. Shoaib Malik
    3. Imran Nazir
    4. Imran Farhat
    5. Umar Akmal
    6. Razzaq
    7. Sarfraz
    8. Kamran
    9. Rana Naved
    10. Hammad Azam
    11. Raza Hassan
    12. Umar Gul
    13. Saeed Ajmal
    14. Wahab Riaz
    15. Mohammad Talha
    16. Mohammad Hafeez
    17. Rao Iftikhar
    18. Aamir Sajjad
    19. Yasir Arafat
    20. Mohammad Sami
    21. Faisal Iqbal
    22. Khurram Manzoor
    23. Mohammad Asif
    24. Nasir Jamshed
    25. Shahzeb Hassan
    26. Babar Azam
    27. Ahsan Ali
    28. Waqas Khan
    29. Sarmad Bhati
    30. Usman Qadir
     
  10. Bart
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    To be honest I found Shahzeb to be quite a mediocre batsman, he only had one shot in the book, fired in a couple of games and we were lucky that Afridi / YK were in good form in the last world cup to over shadow that. I would personally stick with Imran Nazir and Kamran Akmal as openers.
     
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    Jang's list of 30 players did not include Mohammad Aamer and Fawad Alam.
     
  12. ghulam35
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    I know not many people will agree with me but I REALLY do think this is the best squad for 20/20 format for Pakistan, The team can bat all the way to number 9 despite having 4 proven pace bowlers and 2 proven spinners (not including Imran Nazir and Shoaib Malik evn though they done ok(ish) in domestic bowling). If one of the openers gets out early then Kamran Akmal can always be promoted otherwise the batting order should be kept how it is. The fielding of the team will be great with Nazir, Hafeez, Afridi, Fawad/Malik with the 2 liabilities being Umar Akmal and Mohammed Aamer but hopefully they'l improve with experience and field coaching. The squads got an explosive aggressiveness at top order and the bottom with calm and stability in the middle which balances the squad. Having 6/7 bowlers can also help if one bowler is having a bad day so in my view the squad is fairly balanced and best equipped to win the twenty world cup.


    1)Imran Nazir



    2)Mohammed Hafeez

    Whereas i personally think Hafeez can ball as well as Saeed Ajmal and we do not need to include a specialist spinner in the squad, I always rated Hafeez's bowling and fielding better than his batting. He has done ok in domestic 20/20 cricket and averages more than khalid latif, kamran akmal, mohammed yousaf, arfidi, yasir arafat and sohail tanvir, his average is par with umar akmal and shahzaib hassan. he also has a better strike rate than all of the above apart from afridi. he's played 49 matches with average 26.45 and strike rate of 142 and took 38 wickets.

    3)Naved Malik

    Most people would say naved malik who? but we need more big hitters in the team, yousaf, younis, malik, fawas are all stroke players. And trust when i say they dont come much bigger than naved malik, the guy has an average of 40 at strike rate of 180 (faster strike rate than afridi (150) and double the average. the only thing is perhaps the lack of experience since hes only played 5 matches.

    4)Shahid Afridi


    5)Fawad Alam/Shoaib Malik
    Only play one or the other, it doesn't make sense playing both as they both need abit of time at the crease to get going and rotating strike kinda players. I even wouldn't mind sending Younis Khan in here since he has a great average in 20/20 but i'm not sure how seriously he'l take 20/20 now that he's not captain otherwise it would definately be him. Shoaib Malik might just edge it because of his bowling and experience, He's also officially Pakistan's highest run scorer and got best average in International 20/20's alongside Misbah Ul Haq (i think)

    6)Umar Akmal
    I think Umar will play best when he comes out at number 5 or 6.

    7)Kamran Akmal
    Ok i know he has had problems with his wicketkeeping for a long time but I think he is good enough keep wickets in a 20/20, I know the people that want him in the squad will mostly want to open with him understandably so but again I dont think he should come higher than 5/6/7 unless an opener gets out early in which case he should come out at 3.

    8)Abdur Razzaq
    I think the openers and top order should be aggressive followed by some calmer players if theres a collapse.So yes thats right Abdur Razzaq at number 8, this allows the players above to have a go at things first especially if batting first and then guys like Razzaq to come out towards the end and really take it out of reach of opposition.

    9)Azhar Mahmood

    He's done well in 20/20 in domestic cricket here in the UK with bat and ball. Domestic stats wise he's ever best all rounder, averages nearly 30 with a strike rate of 155 in 52 matches wtih 68 wickets. Again another big hitter down the order who also adds greatly to the batting depth.

    10)Umar Gul
    ok i know he's going through a bad patch with form and ryhtym but he is still the best 20/20 bowler and class is permanent and thats exactly what gul is. Even though some might argue to put arafat or tanvir in there because the bowling is same as Gul's at moment and both can bowl yorkers plus they add to batting depth but I think batting depth upto number 9 is more than enough.

    11)Mohammed Aamer

    I'm going to leave Asif out, he's a great bowler but I think Aamer just edges him by the pace.

    Reserves:
    Mohammed Asif

    Fawad Alam/Shoaib Malik - Whichever isn't in the squad above.

    Rana Naved-Ul-Hasan

    Rizwan Ahmed/Younis Khan - Rizwan Ahmed average 43 at S/R of 120 in 8 matches, similar player to Younis Khan.


    Saeed Ajmal/Yasir Arafat/Sohail Tanvir - unsure if T20 WC allows 15/16 players, if it allows 16 then take your pick out the 3 as I dont think theres much difference between the 3
     
  13. Wasim
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    Good work Ghulam.

    Having new players also helped, like i mentioned in the OP. Teams didn't get a chance to watch Sohail Tanvir, Misbah, Aamer and Shahzaib before the world cups.
     
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    Good team Ghulam but Azhar is finished, I used to be a big fan but he's in terrible sahpe and this isn't ICL
     
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    Nazir
    Kamran
    Umar
    Malik
    Afridi
    Fawad
    Razzaq
    Rana
    Aamer
    Gul
    Ajmal

    Asif
    Arafat
    Shahzaib
    Misbah
     
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    This is my WT20 XI:

    1) Imran Nazir
    2) Abdul Razzaq
    3) Shoaib Malik
    4) Shahid Afridi (c)
    5) Umar Akmal
    6) Fawad Alam
    7) Hammad Azam/ Rana Naved/ Yasir Arafat
    8) Kamran Akaml (w.k)
    9) Umar Gul
    10) Mohammed Asif/Mohammed Ammer
    11) Saeed Ajmal

    Subs
    Misbah Ul Haq
    Shahzaib
    Mohammed Irfan/ Mohammed Sami/ Anwar ali

    Come People Give some Me some feed Back

    Are You interested !!!!

    Get Back to me asap !!
     
  17. HuskerFan
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    Speculated by Jang:
    Captain will be either Salman Butt or Abdul Razzaq.
    1) Salman Butt
    2) Mohammad Hafeez
    3) Khalid Latif
    4) Umar Akmal
    5) Misbah ul Haq
    6) Fawaad Alam
    7) Hammad Azam
    8) Shahid Afridi
    9) Abdul Razzaq
    10) Yasir Arafat
    11) Mohammad Aamer
    12) Saeed Ajmal
    13) Mohammad Asif
    14) Umar Gul
    15) Kamran Akmal

    No Rana, Malik, Imran Nazir, Imran Farhat.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Wasim
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    Salman Butt captain?

    No Shahzeb either? Butt will win us T20 world cup?
     
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    Speculated by Express News:

    1) Salman Butt (Captain)
    2) Mohammad Hafeez
    3) Imran Farhat
    4) Shahzeb Hassan
    5) Umar Akmal
    6) Kamran Akmal
    7) Sarfraz Ahmed
    8) Shahid Afridi
    9) Abdul Razzaq
    10) Yasir Arafat
    11) Mohammad Aamer
    12) Saeed Ajmal
    13) Mohammad Asif
    14) Umar Gul
    15) Rao Iftikhar

    No Fawad Alam. Two keepers. Four Openers.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. ghulam35
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    Salman Butt Captain PLEASE NO!!!

    Take out Salmat Butt, Imran Farhat, Safraz Ahmed, Mohammed Asif and Rao Iftikhar and it will be an ok squad,

    Add Imran Nazir, Raza Hasan, Ajeez Cheema/Mohammed Irfan, Fawad Alam and Naved Malik in place of them and we'l have a good squad
     
  21. Wasim
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    8 bowlers in the 15 man squad.

    2 keepers, 4 openers.

    Only 1 pure middle order batsman.

    No Fawad, even when Malik is banned.

    I salute thee, PCB!
     
  22. Wasim
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    The biggest problem with Salman Butt the captain is going to be that he wont be dropped after failing, like he was in the last two world cups.

    With this squad, all 4 openers + Akmals will have to play to make an XI. If one batsman gets injured, Sarfraz Ahmed or a bowler will have to play as the back up batsman.

    Such is PCB's think tank.

    I hope this news is bogus.
     
  23. Inswinger
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    This is speculation by the media and thankfully our media has no credibility when it comes to projecting squads.
     
  24. Wasim
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    Husker, you've posted two different 15 man squads. One from Jang and the last one from Express. Obviously one of them, atleast, has to be wrong. Do you feel you just HAVE to post bogus reports? If the squad turns out different (hopefully) I suggest that Husker be banned for one year and fined 30 lakhs.:cool:
     
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    I sincerely hope both squads are wrong ... specially the Express News one!

    Why shoot the messenger? Do you curse the mailman if he brings you the bad news? :p
     

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