Terrorists storm Peshawar school, over 100 children reported killed

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  1. Fireworks11
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    i dont know what Islam these imams follow and what they will say on the day of judgement. This is a Total mockery of islam..
     
  2. Mycroft Holmes
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    Will executions provide the taliban with propaganda? Probably, but you have to accept that these people cant be negotiated with. Their Ultimate aim is a tyrannical theocracy, everything they do is with that as their ultimate aim. If we negotiate peace with them that will give us a couple of months of peace while they plan their attacks, indoctrinate more people etc. The only solution is one of total destruction of this cancer. We need the intel agencies to up their game and provide the army with actionable intelligence. There also needs to be wholesale reform of the intelligence agencies and army. For too long these guys have operated in the shadows without oversight and scrutiny. I for one want to know the ISI's role in supporting militant groups like ttp.
     
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    No. It should be more slow and painful.
    And publicized.
     
  4. KingOfDoosra
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    Knew they were Uzbeks. traitors.
     
  5. Passionate Pakistani
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    why are you guys swearing and using abusive words ? as if it will help anyone ?
     
  6. KingOfDoosra
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    Sorry
     
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    aww that sorry was like a son to his father.. bless.
     
  8. Express Pace
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    Saudi fund these extremist preachers. Everyone knows.
     
  9. Express Pace
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    People are pissed off that is why they are swearing. It doesnt help, but just people blowing off steam.
     
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    s_h_a_f Whispering Death

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    Appauled, horrified & saddened by this horrific massacre. The world is a messed up place.

    What wrong did the 132 do?
     
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    Bombings, cold-blooded feuds, anti-government terrorism and treason, domestic abuse and rape occurs to such a great extent in Pakistan that it ultimately defines the status of Pakistan and has become desensitising.

    Yet when I awoke yesterday morning I would have never have expected a catastrophe of such a large scale to unravel, especially the indiscriminate death of 132 innocent children.

    Inna lillahi wa inna illahi rajioon to all those who unfortunately perished in this national tragedy. As always in conflicts, skirmishes, suicide attacks and wars, it is the children who suffer the most - both physically and psychologically. Undoubtedly these people will be granted Jannat.

    Enough with people arguing that we must 'negotiate' with the TTP (Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan); these sick and twisted human beings should be shown no mercy. Zarb-e-Azb has helped to eradicate some of the extremist elements from the country but the Pakistan Army should mount a full-scale attack on removing the filth from the tribal regions of Pakistan.

    These terrorists should be tortured inhumanely, both to retrieve more answers and to show the pain they have caused. Further more, it is relatively pleasing to learn that the COAS has lifted the moratorium on executions - which was implemented back in 2008 - for although it can never bring the beautiful children who died unnecessarily, it will be a healing poultice for some of the pain this tragedy has caused. The individuals with such disgusting ideologies should learn the pain this has caused to humanity and most importantly the families of these children/teachers.

    May Allah grant Sabr and sustenance to the families of these innocent children and teachers who died due to the inhumane, disgusting and asinine thoughts of the terrorists.

    A Black Day in Pakistan's history - #‎PeshawarAttack2014‬
     
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    Enough with the imbecilic statements, political point-scoring and utilising a national tragedy in which 141 individuals perished to push an agenda.

    Only when Pakistanis admit that neither the US nor India is to blame for the aggregation of the TTP in the country will Pakistan finally put a foot forward in eradicating these sick and twisted ideologies from this country.

    Uzbeks may have been involved, there still be maybe some remnants of the Mujahideen from the Soviet Union invasion in the late 1970s, there are undoubtedly elements from Soviet Union break-off states in Central Asia but ultimately this is mostly the work of some inhumane Pakistanis.

    The sooner we admit that, the quicker the roots of this sadistic organisation with its tyranny can be cut off. Harbouring sympathies for these janwar and indirectly helping them to blend in further by claiming that the TTP is helped by foreign interference only hinders the progression in eradicating this cancer.
     
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    Hypothetically, what is the likelihood of peace in a few years? The fight against the TTP will be a long and troublesome one and I doubt any true solution will be reached for years with the guerrilla warfare tactics that the TTP employ.

    The terrain is extremely difficult to control without monitoring the entry/exit of citizens/refugees as it is and this is the only immediate resolution IMO.

    Regular armed border patrols and having only a few tolls will help to contain the TTP within Pakistan.
    Make it a national announcement that all non-regulated paths into Afghanistan will be littered with mines (and have steel wire perimeters set around these regions).

    As a consequence, there shouldn't be any reason for people to be travelling on non-regulated paths due to the regular warnings/signage of the possibility of mines.
     
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    Look at these satanic tattoos and they claim to be Muslims.
     
  16. Mercenary
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    Mines are evil, that's all there is to it. Below is a link to Google images for Afghanistan mines victims. There are some very disturbing images. Dont look if you're queasy...

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=afghanistan mines victims&espv=2&biw=1344&bih=706&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=1O6RVOa5DIyvPJaegdgM&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

    Mines are usually effective only against civilians and children. Militants will test the area ahead of them and find a safe route through.
     
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    Why can't these calls be traced by the ISI/intelligence agencies?
     
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    Because they will be calling through several proxy addresses anyway and journalists dont want to start getting the police/intelligence agencies involved in tapping their lines. Or the ISI/Police?Army/Gvt will monitor them and stop them printing news or have their sources arrested in other exposes.
     
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    I do agree with you but surely the paths must be regulated in some way. The terrain in FATA poses an immense problem however.

    Guerrilla warfare defeated the US in Vietnam for two decades, as did the Mujahideen during the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan in the late 1970s.

    However, what makes the TTP such a fierce enemy is not that it is protected by sympathisers from all walks of life but because of it's underlying ideologies, their members aren't afraid of dying whatsoever.

    Do you mind providing a translation, please?
     
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    I understand the simplistic answer, that isn't my point. Greed/corruption or other nefarious motives of these news agencies/journalists should be secondary to the welfare of the country and its citizens.

    Besides, I'm pretty sure the technology in the ISI's possession is able to overcome a few proxy addresses.
     
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    I want them to go for the head. The core organization, whether its in or out of Pakistan
     
  22. Mercenary
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    At what expense? Vietnam paid a heavy price as did Afghanistan. Afghanistan wasn't a bad place before the Soviet invasion, quite liberal for the region. Good education, women doctors and alumni. Look at them now.

    Then we need to help them fulfil their lifelong ambitions as soon as possible.
     
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    We need to take out any collaborator who defend/have defended the actions of these Taliban in Public.

    I have seen countless Mullahs ( whose name I can't remember) squirm uncomfortably when asked to condemn actions of the Taliban in the past - they have always refused to call them kafir etc. Time for those Mullahs to be given a nudge either with the barrel of a gun or through some swift kicks to the gut to declare their allegiance once and for all.

    Any action supporting the Taliban should be considered treasonous and punished appropriately. Anyone who has condoned them in the past should be asked for clarification and if declined charged for treason.

    This cancer has seeped through our country for too long and the only action is drastic actions. Any Mullah calling for violence even in the remotest village against anybody ( Muslim or minority) should be swung by the gallows. Calling of Takfir/Apostacy banned from TV etc.

    Mullah rule needs to end. That is the most important step..more so than military intervention at this point. These fat uneducated b******* need to be kicked into touch and shown who is boss.
     
  24. Mercenary
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    The average Mullah has prepared for this contingency with plenty of padding, you're more likely to get tired from kicking.
     
  25. SOPL
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    That was my point.

    The guerrilla tactics of several militant organisations is a key factor in why they have been/will be so difficult to defeat.
     
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    Commendations on the excellent banner btw Mercenary...we should never forget the torturous struggle of these innocent children and the noble sacrifice of people like Aitizaz (I'm sure there would have been countless others who would have died attempting to save others).

    Below is the Facebook page of one student who died at the hands of these barbaric "humans":

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    Guerilla warfare is an effective tactic against an occupying force as generally morale amongst the occupiers begins to deteriorate and they dont have the time/energy/resources to expend in such warfare.

    It is not effective in actually overturning a state. The key part of a the effectiveness of Guerilla Warfare against occupiers is that psychologically the troops know they dont really have to be their..they can go home 1000s of miles away. In the US war on vietnam the US public got sick of seeing casualties..they knew their troops could come home safely.

    Pakistan troops have nowhere to retreat to and the public resolve will not weaken as they cant abandon any territory to be left to Guerillas. It will be tough but I dont doubt that if all the states machinery is geared towards flushing out these rats that it will be successful.

    The only example I can think of in recent history where a Guerilla force has overthrown the army of the state is in Cuba but that was due to Castro being able to win over the peasantry. I dont see the TTP being able to win over much of the population.

    Ps typed quickly on phone..sorry for errors/typos
     
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    Seems India is being blamed for supporting these attacks.
     
  29. KingOfDoosra
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    It could be true as well though.
     
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    You seem to have the habit of being open to every point of view it could be youthful naivety or open mindedness but be careful it doesnt turn into irrational conspiracy theories.

    The Fact is that these acts were committed by Pakistanis, in Pakistan by an outfit based in Pakistan.

    India/USA/Israel/Aliens 'could' have supported them behind the scene but still Pakistanis were the perpetrators. No need to bury our heads in the sand.

    The response from India/Indians has been tremendous btw.
     
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    First of all, I fully appreciated how the Indians reacted and supported Pakistan after what had happened. They did more than what our Muslim 'brothers' i.e. Saudi did.

    Yeah you are right, I am open to every point of view, that however doesn't mean I tend to agree to everything. I agree it could be anyone and my statement was probably a bit immature saying it could be India too. Maybe it's better to keep your mouth shut when you have nothing better to say.
     
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    Another pupil told how he watched his female teacher being burned alive as she courageously stood in the path of the terrorists and told her children to run for their lives.

    Afsha Ahmed, 24, confronted the marauding gunmen when they burst into her classroom and told them: 'You can only kill my students over my dead body.'

    The militants doused her with petrol and set her alight, but she still mustered the strength to beckon her pupils to flee.
    One of her students, 15-year-old Irfan Ullah, wept as he recalled her incredible bravery.

    He said: 'She was a hero, so brave. She jumped up and stood between us and the terrorists before they could target us.
    'She warned them: 'You can only kill them over my dead body'. I remember her last words - she said: 'I won't see my students lying in blood on the floor'.

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    ^ Credit goes to 'AsianUnion' from Pak Defence forum. She died as hero, truly Martyr. May Allah (SWT) accepts her Martyrdom and grants her in Ever-Lasting Heaven, Aameen!
     
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    Good to see Nawaz Sharif attending to the victims, injured patients, in hospital. This will reassure them in their time of need. ;(


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    No hostages: Terrorists wanted to inflict maximum casualties, says DG ISPR


    PESHAWAR: The aim of the terrorists was to inflict maximum damage as they did not try to take any hostages, Army spokesperson Major General Asim Bajwa told reporters on Tuesday evening.

    Addressing a press conference in Peshawar, Maj Gen Bajwa said that the terrorists entered the school from the lesser guarded rear entrance backside using a ladder. He added that the militants started to fire their weapons indiscriminately as soon as they entered the school auditorium. The children were killed in groups, he said. “This shows that they [terrorists] did not want to take any hostages.”


    But Bajwa added that they were trying to uncover the depth of the militant’s plan given that the army had recovered ammunitions and rations from the militants which could have seen them last for days.

    Quick army action rescued dozens

    The ISPR DG said that within 15 minutes of the attack, a Quick Response Force (QRF) of the military had reached the school and started an operation against terrorists. Bajwa said that a total of 1099 students and staff were registered in the school, and that security forces managed to rescue 960 of them. Of these, 121 had been injured. Total 132 children and nine staffers were killed in the attack, he added.
    While sharing the operational details of the terror attack and the subsequent counter-operation, the army spokesperson said that QRF pushed the seven terrorists back and confined them to the administration block.

    He added that the Chief of Army Staff Genral Raheel Sharif directed an SSG group and its specialised unit SSG to conduct a rescue operation.

    During the rescue operation, one of the attackers was killed at the door of the auditorium, while three others were sniped through the windows of the administration block. The remaining three militants were killed as the security forces stormed the admin block.

    The operation left seven SSG personnel and two officers injured.


    Bajwa claimed that the militants were in contact with their handlers during the attack and that soon after the QRF had moved in, the army intercepted their communication. “We know who they are and who they were in contact with but details can not be share due to operation reasons.”

    “They were aware of locations and they must have carried out the recce of the area. And it is highly possible that someone from inside might have tipped them off,” said Bajwa.
    The military spokesperson said that the area has been cleared and school has been handed back to its administration. However, an army cordon around the school was maintained late into the night as the military conducted controlled demolitions of recovered explosives.

    Dispelling reports that there were intelligence intercepts warning of possible attacks on government and military installations, Bajwa said there were general threats regarding a terrorist attack on government and army installations since the start of Operation Zar-e-Azb, but the school had not been mentioned specifically.

    Source: Dawn
     
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    Mines may be evil but i bet thè ttp will kill and maim more people than mines would if used properly. If you have convenient transit points or people and clearly marked and fenced borders warning people of the dangers then that would reduce the risk to people greatly. Its not like theyd be in some village etc with the aim of maiming and killing innocent people.
     
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    Salute to this brave lady who came between the terrorists & her students and told them you had to walk over my dead body to touch my students. The animals set her on fire. And yet while she was on fire she screamed to her students that run.

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    Who is she? Seems like trying to get some attention. Passage of mourn should be simple. Not an essay.
     

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