The Battle of Subcontinental Offspinners - Ravichandran Ashwin vs Saeed Ajmal

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  1. SwingNSeam
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    b. kumar? :D
     
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    I m a meat eater
     
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    Praveen kumar is a great swing bowler..he needs 5Ks more in his speed bas
     
  4. Shahzad.Firdous
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    only spinners who can compete with Ajmal are Swann, Rehman and Afridi. Afridi is out of form these days. Swann is the biggest competitor of Ajmal and Rehman is very gud as well. ashwin is not in the same league as these guys.
     
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    Afridi in the same league as Ajmal, Swann & Rehman? What?
     
  6. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Forgot his 2011 WC performance where he singlehandedly took team to semis?
     
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    He was tremendous in that tournament and played a major role in taking us to the semis, but he's nowhere near the same caliber as Swann & Ajmal. Those 2 excel in all 3 formats of the game, whereas Afridi is more of a limited overs specialist who's bowling is on a decline.
     
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    How many test wickets for Afridi?

    What is the career stat of Rehman compared to Ashwin?

    Afridi is not even in the galaxy of test spinners.And Herath has as good a record as Ajmal or Swann.
     
  9. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Afridi doesnt play tests compare with him in format he plays

    Rehman and Ajmal destroyed Eng infact whitewashed them whereas india lost to them in their home conditions as well as got whitewashed away
    Herath? LOL
     
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    You can compare Ashwin with Hafeez. Not Ajmal. Ashwin is not even good enough to wipe Ajmal's shoes. Ashwin is very mediocre at best.
     
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    With all due to respect this thread is blasphemy to cricket and spin bowling!
     
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    81 wickets at 28.
     
  13. Disco Lemonade
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    Ajmal have more skills and variations but I think Ashwin is not as experienced or played enough matches so give him some time. Talent wise I think Ajmal is way ahead, no comparison. And I don't really think Ajmal needs spinning tracks to perform, Ajmal have performed on non-spinning tracks aswell, example the second test of this tour. But I think one should not expect him or any spinner to run through quality batting lineups on roads that we see in limited overs cricket, like in India tour or 2nd t20 of this tour.
     
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    lol at the constant point thats being raised by the indians...even at pp......"Ajmal only got tailenders out"

    well its not his fault that every he came on to bowl our fast bowlers already got more than half the team out. #junaid #irfan
     
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    The Second Test had a pitch that assisted spinners.Players of both the sides said the same thing.

    Regarding Talent,well Ajmal was nowhere near International class at the age of 25.He acquired his skills and variations through almost 12-13 years in the domestic cricket and came into the Pakistan side when at his peak.Ashwin has hardly played 4-5 years of domestic cricket and is improving all the time.As i said at the end of their careers Ashwin will have more wickets than Ajmal at a very similar avg.But at this stage Ajmal is ahead by some way.
     
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    When he played the 2nd T20 or the 1st ODI what did he do there?Its not about Irfan or Junaid,On the same surface even Jadeja looked unplayable.It will take a lot lot more from Ajmal before any Indian fans rate him,like they rate Saqlain.
     
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    May be you will like to explain that statement and not just give out one liners.
     
  18. SwingNSeam
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    has thre not been a game where tendu got out on a duck, or ashwin did not get a wicket and got tonked? What did he do against england in the test matches?...want me to count those....no right? exactly.

    Every player is entitles for a bad game or so.

    Dont be biased just because hes Pakistani. Appreciate the talent. He got tailenders out most of the time because, almost everytime he came on half the team was sent back. BTW, check out the economy rate of Ajmal vs every other bowler...even your legend spinners were more expensive.
     
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    Tendulkar is rated because he avgs 40 plus everywhere he has played.Thats an exceptional record over 25 years of playing the game.

    Ajmal hasnt done anything of those sorts to be compared to the greats of the game and Ashwin is some distance behind Ajmal.

    I think i just mentioned a Pakistani spinner named Saqlain and how highly he is rated by Indians and others in general.

    And no one said Ajmal isnt class he is but he isnt the benchmark as some of his fans believe.

    Economy in test matches?
     
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    you failed to grasp certain points:
    1) I wasnt comparing him to tendu..read closely..I was just giving you an example that anybody can have a bad day..and I even mentioned ashwin.
    2) when you said he only bowled the indian tail out..you werent talking about tests were you now? India wont play tests against us...

    come on man...stay on track :)
     
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    Ajmal easily on top, Ashwin has not performed anywhere except in India
     
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    This thread was/is about test cricket.One poster naively talked about Ajmal owning the Indian batting line up hence i pointed out that he merely got the tailenders that also on wickets on which Jadeja looked like A world beater.

    I have already said that Ajmal is some distance ahead of Ashwin now but that doesnt mean Ashwin cant or wont surpass Ajmal.Remember at the same age of Ashwin Ajmal wasnt even good enough to be in the test team.Ajmal improved with experience and most players do and so will Ashwin.

    Ajmal isnt anywhere near ATG status.He is good.But even from Pakistan i rate Saqlain ahead of him.There have been many other spinner in World cricket who were better than Ajmal.Even now Herath and Swann are equally good if not better.
     
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    I was refuting to that point about the indian tailender remark. Yeah Ashwin might end up getting more overall wickets, but will he have a good enough SR and an AVG? That's something we will have to see...Ajmal made a late debut...but you have to agree that watching him bowl..even as a neutral cricket fan...is exciting..with his varieties...As far as the ATG status is concerned..we might have to wait and find out..because he is a spinner and maybe can play longer and get a bucket load of wickets..who know iA

    Saqi is indeed top class.
     
  24. Passionate Pakistani
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    As i said before

    Ashwin should be compared with someone like Hafeez

    He isn't even of Rehman class.

    Extremely over rated bowler!


    Btw whats the guarantee that he will improve with age? Did Harbhajan improve ?

    And fgs Ajmal isn't experienced, he has played only 3 years of cricket and mere 25 tests.

    Regarding why he wasn't selected before, its mostly because we never played a specialist spinners in odis since 2000s on regular basis. Malik and Afridi used to do our spinning job..whereas in tests, Kaneria was having a free ride. ( nepotism)

    Comparing Ashwin with Ajmal is like an insult to Ajmal.
     
  25. Don Corleone
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    Kaneria was having a free ride. ( nepotism)


    Passionate Pakistani

    To be fair he was bowling well all the time. The amount of times our dear Kami Bhaiyya dropped catches off his bowling is cruel
     
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    exactly! the ONLY person having a free ride was kami...he messed up 2 careers: Kaneria and Akhtar.
     
  27. Shahzad.Firdous
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    kaneria was never a decent bowler and Shoaib's career was at its fag end already Shoaib was losing us matches then and gud thing that happened cus of that catch drop of Ross Taylor was that Wahab Riaz got a chance and he demolished indian batting in that cursed semifinal at mohali
     
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    Yar despite Kami drop catches, Kaneria was very poor at one stage, used to concede lot of runs and then take tailenders

    I will never understand why Didnt they try Ajmal before.. Woolmer & Inzy though did very well but had favourites in team like Shahid,Kami ,Razzaq,Rana,Kaneria,Malik etc
     
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    Kind of unfair. Kamran was very good under Inzamam's captaincy, he had 2 majorly poor series (England 2006 and South Africa 2007) but at the time he was young enough and promising enough (seeing how well he'd played thru 2005 and most of 2006) that he deserved a run.
     
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    TBH it is fair. Ok tell me this, why have we changed so many opening batsman? bowlers? middle order batsman? For example take fawad alam..he scored a 150+ on debut and that too on green wickets..yet hes out. Kamran, after his initital burst has been having TONS of bad series..but yet hes persisted with. If you cant do your primary job, then whats the point of playing that person.

    He and his fans argue that on his batting alone he can be in the team...well head on over to the If kamran doesnt perform thread..and youll see all kinda of factual evidence going against him.

    Alright, even if we take your opinion, then after a run of terrible series post 2007 should have been enough to have him sacked....but something aint right!
     
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    Yeah at times he was expensive,

    Agreed, at time he did go for runs..but hes our leading wicketer (spinner). We need a good leg spinner and kamran dorpping catches offa him didnt help. The main issue is that kamran took his place int he team as granted.

    Another failure is that players like kamran, malik score heavy in the domestic circuit but when they are given international duties....
     
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    No I agree with that...but under Inzamam, I remember Kamran having just those 2 bad series. Since Inzamam left he's had a free ride, but in the Woolmer, Inzamam regime he was mostly worth his spot.

    Otherwise, I completely concur
     
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    I get what youre saying...theres nothing personal with none of these players..all I care about our players showing heart when they play...winning and losing is in Allah swt's hands. But this guy goes out of his way to mess up chances it feels like..like the last game where he juggled on a regulation keeper catch....maybe he needs bigger gloves?
     

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