The difference between Insafians and Non-PTI supporters

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  1. Passionate Pakistani
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    Passionate Pakistani The Don

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    Im a passionate supporter of IK but i have never shy of admitting it. Furthermore, always criticised him or PTI whenever needed and same is the case with most insafians as you have seen them bashing IK and others over recent issues of this ordinance and then salahuddin issue.
    Reason is that we supported IK or PTI for Pakistan sake not that we have some kind of love for IK and will blindly support him.

    Now compare it others, for a starter they will never admit that they support their respective leaders for the embarrassment they have caused, second they will defend each and everything about them.

    And then check their audacity that they will call insafians as sheeps lol

    One of the reason why its useless to debate with them because their point is not to do constructive criticism but to prove that their respective leaders were always right and nothing less than angels.

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  2. iZaman
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    Except that Imran Khan is the messiah for PTI and everything will be solved when he comes into power, woops, he's already in power but yeah once he gets rid of the corrupt people, everything will be fine but woops, it's been a year and the corrupt people are in jail but there has been no development.. Ah no, it's all the fault of previous governments.
     
  3. Passionate Pakistani
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    Same nonsense lol. Just endorsed my point in OP.

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  4. pat
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    pat Emerging Player

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    I have no horse in this fight. No objective person so far can dispute that PMIK so far has over-promised and under-delivered

    There is a inherent problem in the information age for politicians, where no one ever forgets what you said in dinky little campaign meeting. There is no "for local consumption only". If you change you tack based on your audience, you'll be known as flip flopper forever. Ask theresa may how that served her, spouting crap you couldn't keep.

    Credit to IK, he changed his mind, also could be called as u turns.

    One too many u-turns which haven't been explained. If those u-turns were necessary, he should have made is in a open way.
     
  5. Passionate Pakistani
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    Very few insafians will object with your first para. No doubt he said many things which are not possible or very difficult. Besides, it appears that Ik ans his team were not ready or doesnt have any plan but its only a year. We will know exact situation and comparative analysis with other governments after 5 years.

    So far whenever he has taken any wrong step, he has recieved backlash mostly of his own supporters which is why he has to take so many u-turns. Again it proves the point that majority voted and supported him because they saw something change and a hope from him, if he fails after 5 year, he will also be gone for good.

    Now compare this to the others, Nawaz fighting a battle hahaha

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  6. iZaman
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    Except that you never blame Khan and PTI for Sialkot killing of a family infront of their children (still waiting for any inquiries and action) , Naqeeb ul Allah Mahsood and Rao Anwar and the recent killing of the ATM disabled man?
     
  7. pat
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    I have no illusions that Nawaz or Zardari is any better.

    It would be better if he'd weigh things before drawing red lines. He seems to have a knack for talking himself into a corner. He is going to need a few solid wins. Big question is where are they going come from?
     
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    Not sure any PM can have that level of granularity in his day to day affairs.
     
  9. Passionate Pakistani
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    Passionate Pakistani The Don

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    Do not assume things about me and dont quote me in future.

    There is a reason why avoid answering to any of your posts.


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  10. Del
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    I hope you understand that hypocrisy of @iZaman now. He will never ever say a word about leeches like Nawaz and Zardari. There is nothing rational in his posts whatsoever. There is no way any sane person can still defend Nawaz, his party and his politics. I bet you, if today IK and PTI make an amendment in Khateme Nabuwat clause of and all Ahmadi's will jump ship, IK will become their leader and PTI will be their favorite party. More to the point, you know why Ahmadi's support Nawaz? remember back in days tried to sneak in an amendment to the clause of Khateme Nabuwat in the constitutions. The faced severe backlash and they werent successful, even though it was their government - who stopped it from happening? State of Pakistan. Thats why they spit so much venom for state of Pakistan and also for Khan, because Khan & PTI will do something like this.

    Apparently the guy is on a mission to "expose" PTI, so be it. However, any sane person will give them full 5 years before jumping guns. Because when you can give Sindh to PPP for more than 10 years and a multiple terms at federal, when you can dish out 3 terms to Nawaz and PML-N than it shouldnt hurt to give FULL 5 years to Khan and PTI.


    More to the point, yes, economic situation is not great and ideal, however, it will take time, because to clean the mess of 10 years will take time. These folks will never say a word that how country was left with huge debts to pay, declining exports industry, widening current account deficit & money laundering of estimated 10bn out of the economy every year.

    On contrary, these hypocrite's will also never give credit for the following.

    Pakistan’s Current Account Deficit Contracts By 73pc In July
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1500757

    $2.3 billion external public debt in FY2018-19 lowest in 3 years: govt
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1496334/2...blic-debt-in-fy2018-19-lowest-in-3-years-govt


    Number Of Taxpayers In Pakistan Increases By 700,000
    https://www.geo.tv/latest/243989-number-of-taxpayers-in-pakistan-rises-by-700000

    $50 million startup fund for entrepreneurs announced
    https://dailytimes.com.pk/311106/50-million-startup-fund-for-entrepreneurs-announced/


    36 projects in eight months show sense of responsibility: PM
    https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/469253-36-projects-in-eight-months-show-sense-of-responsibility-pm






    Federal government assumes control of major Karachi hospitals
    https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/4...nt-assumes-control-of-major-karachi-hospitals



    Communications ministry recovers Rs7.88 billion through audit
    https://arynews.tv/en/communication-ministry-audit-recovery/


    Pakistan Infrastructure Bank expected to become operational this year
    https://profit.pakistantoday.com.pk...ank-expected-to-become-operational-this-year/



    FBR recovered Rs 6.6bn during money laundering probe, PM told
    https://arynews.tv/en/pm-money-laundering-directives/



    Number of taxpayers increasing in FY19: FBR
    https://profit.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/02/05/number-of-taxpayers-increasing-in-fy19-fbr/



    Construction of 500,000 houses in 'Punjab to kick off this year'
    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1901944/1/


    Over $1bn foreign investment in govt’s first five months, PM Khan told
    https://arynews.tv/en/record-foreign-investment-five-months/

    Malaysian company ready to invest $250m in Pakistan
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1461319

    Punjab to establish 6-8 new industrial zones
    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1905758/2-punjab-establish-6-8-new-industrial-zones/


    Premier Khan launches ‘Sehat Card Scheme’
    https://arynews.tv/en/premier-khan-launches-sehat-card-scheme/


    Proton to Setup Auto Manufacturing Plant in Karachi

    https://propakistani.pk/2019/03/21/proton-to-set-up-its-first-south-asian-factory-in-pakistan/




    Money launderers to get 10 years in prison, fine of Rs5m under approved bill
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1497091/m...rs-in-prison-fine-of-rs5m-under-approved-bill





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    Last but not the least, why this u-tern or back paddling is considered a sin? Dont we make mistake in our daily life? What do we do when we realize and acknowledge our fault? However, many will gibe no matter what.

    When you have Ahmadi's like these than who needs enemies.
     
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  11. Passionate Pakistani
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    @Del i agree there is a difference between honest critical analysis with aim of betterment of Pakistan and just looking for any opportunity to bash him.

    This is why i avoid interacting with him or that other guy here.

    Its good that all these fazlurehman supporters, pmln supporters, ppp supporters are all together now exposing their ownselves and their aim.

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  12. iZaman
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    Astaghfirullah. Del has made me an Ahmadi.
    What else can be done, this is in the nature of PTI goons. False slander when nothing works for them.

    Just to make it clear: Woe to Mirza Qadiyani and Laanat on him for the empteenth time. May he rot in hell.

    Ps. You probably already know it but still, you should know that Ahmadis are heavy PTI supporters. Their Khalifa mentioned that IK came to him before elections etc. And the recent USA arena show was also managed by Ahmadis. The guy managing the arena and sitting in the front row was US head of Qadiyani jamaat. Also, Kartarpur ceremony had Qadiyanis in it because Kartarpur makes Gurdaspur very close which is where Qadiyan is.. This sikh thing is just a bluff to get Qadiyanis a safe path. And Rabwah times posted about IK interview in the US about minorities with the title of the effect 'pm ik talks about Ahmadis' (when he said there's also one more thing which I can't talk about just yet but we're working on it) and their Khalifa recently said that we'll soon have the constitution amended with a lot of delight.
    What else do you want? And I'm happy you are a staunch anti Qadiyani person. InshaAllah you'll be cured from this pti disease once u see what happens to the constitution.
     
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  13. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Who is that "other guy"?
     
  14. Passionate Pakistani
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    Iho

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  15. Del
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    I aint buying any of this propaganda bro (not going to waste any more time on you).

    And it wasnt me who made you Ahmadi, you yourself admitted it.

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    post #797 of the following thread.

    https://cricistan.com/threads/prime...rnment-performance-watch-thread.47273/page-20
     
  16. Del
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    I second you and that why I said there is too much propaganda going on, which is keeping good posters away from CS, which is a shame.

    BTW: who's this "Free Kashmir @bilalkhan" guy?
     
  17. Disco Lemonade
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    What we need to learn now is that we need to do healthy criticism. Even if it is for Zardari and Nawaz Sharif.
    What we need to learn is that, although Zardaris and Nawaz were corrupt, they didn't eat the whole country. They were a major party to it, but it was a collective effort.
    What we also need to learn, that the power, not just lies with the army, as projected by the so called Democratic party lovers. Remember Generals were also killed and thrown over by civilian leaders.
     
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  19. Passionate Pakistani
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    We are in a mess because of many reason but a big chunk of this is because of them two parties.

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  20. Del
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    They are entitled for their opinion and continue to believe whatever they want.
     
  21. iZaman
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  22. MNA
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    Guys give him 5 years. If he does not deliver in this timeframe, I will expect Bilal, Del etc to acknowledge they were wrong all along. I personally want him to succeed, my heart tells me same, but my mind is not convinced.
     
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  24. iZaman
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    When a ship is sinking, you don't have to wait until it sinks completely before you change your sailor.

    The country is sinking and we need IK to respectfully get a side.
     
  25. Del
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    I dont have comprehension issue, you're liar and dishonest person.

    On the same note, I reckon Disco also has comprehension issues.
     
  26. iZaman
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    Huh? @Disco Lemonade can you help this guy out?
     
  27. Patriot
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    *eating popcorn*
     

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