the one thing that pi55ed me off more than anything else in todays game

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  1. ElRaja
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    india have one to win and pak have 5 boundary riders, are you serious, shows the mentality of this squad, appalling in any circumstances, absolutely unforgivable considering net run rates are vital in tournaments like this.
     
  2. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    One thing which pisses me off again & again is that why our players don't feel the pain of losing against India. Our Captain seems perfectly fine in the post match interview. If I was him I would be shattered right now. Shameless characters.
     
  3. Bilal123
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    This team just isn't good enough to win a tournament like this. Pakistan have to face the fact that there is a lack of quality in the country. The players are not as professional or clinical as other international sides.
    Alarm bells rung the time when Pakistan lost 3-0 to England in UAE. It was obvious how far Pakistan is in terms of quality and talent
     
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    Malik, Sarfraz, Akmal and Amir seemed to be the only ones fired up for this game.
     
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    To me he seemed very nervous at the toss and was rushing and stuttering his speech. That showed how Pakistan were panicking from the start at the prospect of playing India.
    But can't blame Afridi. This team lacks quality and the players have accepted that they are not good enough to win against them
     
  6. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Until we stop being nice to India again we won't win. Mark my words. I don't like this softening our stance against Indian team & players.
     
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    This. You should have seen De Villiers after the game yesterday & after the game against NZ in the sf of wc.

    That's what you call passion for your country which I didn't see in any of our players except maybe Amir. Afridi just laughed it off & U Akmal just hugged it off.

    Shameless.
     
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    That's the only silver lining here. Moving forwards with a core of Akmal, Sarfraz, Amir and maybe Babar Pakistan still have a chance of potentially fielding a good side
     
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    Because we mentally have accepted that India is a better side. This team needs a change of management and leadership.
     
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    They have a whole cup ahead of them and they simply gave up, Getting a good run-rate is vital in groups like these.
     
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    it shouldnt be india specific, no matter who you are competing against you should compete like your life depended on it because thats what your job is.

    unfortunately thats something that can rarely be taught, you either have that streak of competitiveness where losing leaves you sleepless at night, or you dont.
     
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    This team needs an Aussie. Them guys are some very hard nuts. They could make good role models for this team if hired as coach
     
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    Not to mention saving Amir for the end, including the fourth over he never bowled. I hope Sarfraz is the next captain and breaks from such absurdities and negativity coming from current coach/captain.
     
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    that wont help, its a culture thing, healthy competitiveness is not fostered in pakistani society as there is very little professionally orgainsed sport at youth level in pakistan.

    you need to develop this mentality from a young age, when your in you late thirties what have you got to fire you up, worse case youll get dropped and spend the rest of your life as a tv "pundit".

    when your young and have dreams, you have the fire and drive to be the best, its is at that age level you need to encourage that mental strength imho.
     
  16. saiyan0321
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    Well this match was pissed off galore.. Each mistake made highlighted.

    And foolish captaincy were among them.. No offense but we are just behind india.. They have a more passionate and better captain and their next captain is brilliant as well. Their batsmen are better and frankly their bowlers are better than the rubbish called irfan and wahab.. Ami of course is in another galaxy.

    Their bowlers knew what length to bowl while irfan and wahab were clueless bowling machines.
     
  17. Energy
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    Loser mentality - and they know they are inferior to India.

    The way we were playing Ashwin/Jadeja to get rid of their overs it gave an indication that our players can't hit them and therefore are not good enough.
     
  18. Victorious Pakistan
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    There is no emotion. They do realise they are playing vs India in India?
    The team is a shambles and the captaincy was shocking. Why change a winning side and take out Imad? - Why not bowl Amir when Kohli walks in? The game hanged on Kohli's wicket, surely bowl your best bowler? - What is with the pathetic field positions?
    The fact of the matter is, Afridi's captaincy is atrocious. The win against Bangladesh was a cover up from a long period of shitty performances.

    Batting wise we are pathetic. Has been that way for a long long time now.
    Malik is the only player who plays spin similar to Inzi and Yousuf used too. The inability to rotate the strike is shocking. Kohli and Yuvi played with so much ease, moving the ball around, didn't even need to play the big shots. Our batsman looked all at sea.
    The fact of the matter is, the Indian's talk and get it done. Our team talks, but are only good at taking selfies and bickering instead of trying to actually play.

    Pathetic team and pathetic captaincy. Apparently Imran told these guys to play fearless. This is their fearless. What a joke.
    Why do you even need a motivational speech for an India game?

    Apart from Umar Akmal, Amir, Sarfaraz and Malik this team is a disgrace.

    Mentally weak and cowards.
    Kohli knows how to take a game and control it.
    ABDV for SA knows how to do that.
    Root for England.
    Willamson for New Zealand.
    Who for Pakistan? .. Rubbish. Absolute rubbish.
     
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    At the very least he looks much more passionate then some of the other members of our squad, I just hope his captaincy is as good as we assume. International captaincy is a different beast especially of PCT.
     
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    hammer, nail, head..... potw imo
     
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    They can still make a massive difference in the international team. Imagine a young Shehzad from 2009 or Akmal from 2010 being coached by someone like Mike Hussey. At 19 years old they could have fixed these guys mental issues and instilled a good work ethic easily. Still not too late to appoint a good coach and save the next generation of Akmal or Shehzad etc.
     
  22. Patriot
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    the thing that pisses me the most as these guys have let india break all those records our past players made against them.

    Past players had anger, passion and commitment playing against india. even if they were on a 12 match losing strea it was victory against india that turned things around for them. They forgot everything when india was the opponent. they had only one goal. beat the shit out of india

    this bunch is toba toba..Seriously Afridi resign from captaincy mid tournament cuz it will only do good for Pakistan
     
  23. Questioner
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    Afridi was nervous from the toss. You could tell they weren't up of the match.
     
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    What they did with lawson is well documented.
     
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    who do you think would have a greater influence on them, one coach who is pbly trying his best to break into the squad cliques or twenty thirty other players they have grown up admiring, spend all their time with and are trying to impress.

    i honestly believe 19, 20 is too late to develop that competitive streak.
     
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    There's no doubt it will be. Afridi and Azhar make average domestic captains and that also transpires in to internationals. I'm sure Sarfraz would do a better job. Such an exciting period coming up after this cup finishes
     
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    I don't think there are any role models anymore lol. Inzi, Younis, Yousuf? They all had their own problems and it seems they won't be all that. Currently though it seems Younis will be best placed to take over in next couple of years when he retires. He's interested in coaching and could instil a good fighting spirit one would hope.

    Yeah and ideally teens is best time to learn competitiveness but we know Pakistan is not organised enough to coach at that level. Best hope is for Imran Khan to come up with some plans to develop cricket
     
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    What I am also seriously pissed off about is the lack of intent and competitive spirit. I counted at least 5 cases of when boundary riders decided to just let the ball roll to the boundary rather than putting in a dive. Even if you don't have a chance of saving it, you should dive full stretch for the ball. It says a lot about the passion most of these guys have for the team that they don't complete certain rituals.

    Although what can you expect from a team led by a defensive and self-centred captain like Afridi? This is not knee-jerk hyperbole but something I have noticed for a long time. Selfishly makes the game about himself with his star celebrations whenever he takes a wicket/catch, never actually pumps other bowlers up, sets defensive fields and tells them to bowl with the intention of conserving runs (interpretable from his facial and body expressions).

    Not to add his own impotent and rather flukey bowling and batting which is more based on the laws of statistics (coming off in 1 in 9 games or so) than any real skill.
     
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    This defeat was worse than some recent defeats to India.
     
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  30. ComradeVenom
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    Captain is a billionaire coz you guys have obessed over him for 20 years and praised his mediocrity and made excuses for his pathetic statements about his own fan.

    Rather than bein angry at players you should be angry at youself that you have spend 2000+ posts defending somebody who doesnt give a damn.
     
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    What do you mean by you can't blame Afridi? He's the guy that went with 4 fast bowlers - he's the man to blame.

    If it wasn't for his stupid captaincy then the scenario could have been different.
     
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    You can play another spinner all you want. It would not have made a difference. Fact is India would still have found a way to win. They have much more talent and quality in their country than Pakistan. It's evident with the results over the last decade and more
     
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    NZ comprehensively beat India in their home ground on a spinning track. You need belief in yourself and your team accompanied with proper tactics to win against any opponent.
     
  34. Saj
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    Afridi is very poor captain. Boundary riders all over when India need 7rpo.
     
  35. Fireworks11
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    I fully agree with @Victorious Pakistan @ASLI-PATHAN

    The hunger and desire just wasnt there. They should have been so fired up and ready to defeat India after their recent Asia cup mauling, heck don't they remember mohali? Don't they want revenge? Seriously all this friendly stuff is only playing into Indians hands. Look at Kohli, aggressive merciless on the pitch and our batters are shambles.
     
  36. s_h_a_f
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    Yaar it's the fear of playing Ind in a WC. 10-0 before this would have surely being played on their minds.
     
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    Fireworks11 Kaptaan

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    Yeah you're correct. Pak team is afraid of India it seems.

    Even Afridi looked nervous at toss time. Dhoni was ice cool
     
  38. s_h_a_f
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    They have got our team by the nuts & will not be letting go anytime soon.
     
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    It's becoming a joke now. The issue is clearly mental now.
     

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