Trump: "Been paying Pak billions of dollars and they're housing the very terrorists we are fighting"

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  1. Del
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    (CNN) US President Donald Trump had tough words for Pakistan Monday, as he attempted to steer a new approach on Afghanistan.

    "We can no longer be silent about Pakistan's safe havens for terrorist organizations," he said in a speech at Fort Myer in Arlington, Virginia.

    "We have been paying Pakistan billions and billions of dollars, at the same time, they are housing the very terrorists we are fighting ... that must change immediately."

    He also called on Pakistan's regional rival India, to "help us more with Afghanistan, especially in the area of economic assistant and development."

    "We appreciate India's important contributions to stability in Afghanistan but India makes billions of dollars in trade from the United States and we want them to help us war with Afghanistan, especially in the area of economic assistance and development."


    Tough talk

    Washington has long accused Islamabad of not doing enough in efforts to stabilize Afghanistan.

    In July, Secretary of Defense James Mattis informed Congress the US was withholding $50 million in funding from Pakistan because he was unable to certify that Islamabad "has taken sufficient action against the Haqqani Network," a branch of the Afghan Taliban.

    US officials believe that much of the Haqqani leadership is based in Pakistan and some analysts believe eliminating their safe havens is critical to stabilizing Afghanistan.

    Trump seemed to reference this in his speech Monday, saying that "Pakistan has much to gain from partnering with our effort in Afghanistan (and) much to lose from harboring criminals and terrorists."

    But analysts warn following up tough talk with effective action may be a more difficult task.

    "Pakistan has ironclad immutable strategic interests which dictate maintaining ties to groups like the Taliban," said Michael Kugelman, deputy director and senior associate for South Asia with the Asia Program at the Woodrow Wilson Center.

    "It sees them as useful tools to keep Pakistan's enemy, India, at bay in Afghanistan."

    Kugelman pointed out previous US Presidents have called on Islamabad to do more to crack down on terrorists operating within its territory.

    "Trump didn't really offer any specifics on what the US will do to get Pakistan to change its ways," he said. "I'm left wondering will this be any different."


    New US strategy took time

    Trump has previously expressed reservations about the seemingly endless US military commitment in Afghanistan and questioned the objectives of staying there.

    The President reached a decision on the future of the US strategy in Afghanistan on Friday after months of deliberation.

    Trump's decision comes as Taliban militants have been resurgent in recent months, posting a series of recent gains against Afghan government forces, which are backed by a US-led coalition of NATO allies.

    The United States first invaded Afghanistan on October 7, 2001, as part of Operation Enduring Freedom.

    The Bush administration accused the country's then Taliban government of sheltering al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, who had masterminded the previous month's September 11 terrorist attacks.

    The Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden for trial, but only to a third country, rather than directly to the United States. Washington refused the offer and launched air and ground attacks, joined shortly thereafter by US allies.

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  2. Del
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    Official statement by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson:

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  3. Del
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    Hmmm...so if I read between the line that means, that these 4000 troops would be deployed in the short term. Highly likely those will be special forces, so I expect some escalation of terror in Pakistan.

    Also, by all means he can make tall claims, cut off our aid and bla bla bla, but I would also like to knowing Tillerson views.

    Moreover, US would also have to keep in mind that, they are paying us for using our roads and infrastructures. They are more than free to not pay us and we will simply hike up the taxes on supplies passing through our ports and roads. We can also make sure their supplies face delays and other red tape. Pakistanis are very good at red tape and delays.
     
  4. Mohsin
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    Pushing Pakistan further towards Russia and (of course) China whilst india get closer to America...

    I know which camp id rather be in...
     
  5. ASLI-PATHAN
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    I sometimes think what has USA got to do with Afghanistan? It is thousands miles away a land locked and very poor country. Why the hell are they spending billions of Dollars and also paying with the lives of hundreds of their soldiers to stay in Afghanistan. If it is because of the 9/11 then it was a freaking 16 years ago and also there were non of the Afghans involved in that drama of 9/11.

    The only thing comes into the mind is that USA wants to have a check on China with keeping their presence in the region. But this is a useless excercise as honestly USA is no match for China both militarily and economically.

    Anyways good luck toTrump and USA as Taliban will happily make Afghanistan their graveyard as they are doing since the last 16 years.
     
  6. ElRaja
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    trump was anti overseas war a before being elected, military industrial complex sways presidents to extend and escalate conflicts around the world. china and america relations may be a bit tepid since trump came to power but they both need each other economically.

    they have stated they have no interest in nation building and no timeline for withdrawing and no set objectives to achieve, its basically a massive swindle on the american tax payer and the afghan people that helps to divert attention from divisions at home and line the pockets of defense companies and contractors.
     
  7. Del
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    When US decided to enter in Afghanistan to grab Osama bin Laden—and failed, but stayed on like an unwanted guest. I always use to wonder why? Could it have known that the Afghans were sitting on some, which we and rest of the world don't know? Then I found the following article.

    According to which, Afghanistan has nearly 1 trillion worth of minerals, which was discovered by a small team of Pentagon officials and American geologists.

    https://whowhatwhy.org/2011/05/30/how-do-you-support-your-troops-regular-special-or-super/
     
  8. Mohammed Bilal
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    The whites are trying there level best to destroy Pakistan just as they did in Lybia,Sirya,Afghanistan,Iraq,Iran,

    Lol at there efforts
     
  9. Mohammed Bilal
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    India or Pakistan?

    Pakistan shouldn't go running to Russia,They have schemes and in the Cold War they wanted Pakistan,At this moment I feel trump will forget about what he has proposed on and start swearing at the U.S. Media again the guy is lost
     
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    well this was an inevitability - if you make yourself a slave and stand in the shadow of a country begging for scraps, when someone else offers them a better deal you will be discarded. twenty our thirty years of this policy has resulted in an economy on the edge of collapse.

    you make your bed, you have to lie in it.
     
  11. Mohan
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    Mohan Formerly 'Captain Clutch'

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    Well I am not a fan of him but he is right on this occasion. The very reason USA have been paying billions of dollars of their taxpayers money in the form of military aid to Pakistan was for eliminating their terror targets. What Pakistan did instead was to shelter Osama. Obviously they will be peeved.
     
  12. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    Where is the evidence that it was actually Osama the real one who was killed in Abbottabad?



    Here in 2007 Benazir Bhutto clearly saying that Osama bin Ladin was murdered by Omar Sheikh.
     
  13. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    And secondly why did all the 15 members of that Seal team 6 which conducted the alleged raid on Osama died in a crash just 3 months after the raid? Where is the video & pictures evidence of the dead body of Osama? If they can release the videos of the deaths of Saddam & Qadaffi who were more popular & stronger than Osama then what was stopping them from releasing the videos of Osama? There are a lot of questions and some serious doubts over that raid. It was just a drama to save face.
     
  14. Mohammed Bilal
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    They killed a few of our soldiers as well,Why were they killed?
     
  15. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    No Pakistani soldier was even hurt in that raid.
     
  16. Mohammed Bilal
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    No not in the raid when they killed Osama.
     
  17. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    Then what were you talking about?
     
  18. Mohammed Bilal
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    When they killed him whilst he was trying to go from Pakistan to Afghanistan on the border the Americans Bombed that Area that killed A few soldiers on the border with Afghanistan
     
  19. Mohan
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    Mohan Formerly 'Captain Clutch'

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    Evidence or not, it's the universally accepted truth. Which country has raised questions over that raid? And who committed 9/11 if Osama was dead in 2007?
     
  20. ASLI-PATHAN
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    LOL 9/11 happened in 2001. Its another thing that I don't believe Osama was involved in that.

    And this is not truth. Just a drama by US. And why will some other country raise a question over a drama which has nothing to do with that particular country?
     
  21. Mohan
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    Yeah he was killed in 2011, somehow mixed up the two dates, thanks for the correction.

    So you think they sent over drones to kill some innocent civilian in Abbottabad?
     
  22. Mohan
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    So Hillary Clinton, Leon Panetta and others lied in their own autobiographies @ASLI-PATHAN?

     
  23. Mohan
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    Mohan Formerly 'Captain Clutch'

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    And why is Dr. Shakeel Afridi rotting away in a Pakistani prison on treason charges? Was he not put in jail because he helped the US trace Osama?
     

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