Wahab has not won us a game in two years - Arthur

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    Wahab Riaz has become the latest casualty of coach Mickey Arthur's drive towards a high-performance culture within the Pakistan squad. So low has Wahab's stock fallen that he was not even part of the 25 probables recently chosen for a training camp, from which a squad will be chosen to tour Ireland and England this summer. Arthur was moved to question Wahab's training "work ethic" in justifying the decision, as well as providing the scathing assessment that he had not "won us a game in two years".

    Pakistan's selection panel, headed by Inzamam-ul-Haq, has chosen five fast bowlers - Mohammad Amir, Muhammad Abbas, Hasan Ali, Mir Hamza and Rahat Ali - for the camp. The allrounder Faheem Ashraf is also available and the 17-year-old left-arm sensation Shaheen Shah Afridi is in the pool as a developmental pick. Sixteen will be chosen from the 25 in the final squad.

    "He has not won us a game in two years," Arthur told ESPNcricinfo. "I expect players that have been around for a long time to be winning us games and setting standards. Otherwise we will invest in younger players who have long futures. We have good youngsters around. [Dropping] Wahab is a big decision but we have chosen a squad according to the time of year, country and conditions. The guys need to push themselves and get out of their comfort zones."

    Wahab did undergo a fitness test, where he registered a score of 17.4, which qualifies as a passing mark. But Arthur wanted him to touch 19 - an unofficial benchmark set for a fast bowler. He was outdone by the newcomer Afridi, who scored 18.

    "I cannot fault Wahab when he has a ball in his hand but his work ethic around training is something needs to be looked at," Arthur said. "I am changing the culture in this Pakistan environment and I am not interested in players doing just the bare minimum. I want players winning us games of cricket and pushing themselves to be the best they can be. This is a high-performance environment, not a environment where mediocrity is accepted. Unless you are winning games consistently, you are under pressure for your position."


    At 32, and already out of favour from the white-ball squads, the omission leaves Wahab's international future very much up in the air. Although he debuted for Pakistan in 2008, it is only since the summer of 2014 when - returning under the tenure of Waqar Younis - Wahab became a fixture in the side. Waqar was understandably keen on the threat of his pace and a slingy action good for reverse.

    Since then he has built a career of memorable spells, rather than a memorable career itself. Lead among those is the World Cup 2015 spell in Adelaide, but there was an immense nineteen-over spell in the afternoon heat of Dubai against England, that set up a win; there were key interventions on the Test tour to England in 2016; and in his last Test, against Sri Lanka in Dubai, he blitzed through the top order and nearly turned around a Test that had no business being turned around. Often forgotten is that he was Pakistan's highest wicket-taker on the disastrous Test tour of Australia in 2016-17.

    In between there have been plenty of frustrations - ineffective performances, an unchecked no-ball problem, and good-but-wicketless spells. And there were the problems with his run-up in Dubai last year, where he pulled up from delivering five times in a row, the apoplectic reactions of Arthur in the dressing room only adding to the theatre. With white ball in hand he has faded sharply. He last played an ODI nearly a year ago against India in the Champions Trophy - his figures that day read 8.4-0-87-0 - and his last T20I came in April last year against West Indies; he returned figures of 4-0-44-1.

    Since the start of 2016, however, he is Pakistan's second-highest wicket-taking fast bowler in Tests and, by some metrics, the most effective. And in the recently concluded Pakistan Super League, Wahab was the joint top wicket-taker with Faheem, with a better economy rate (6.90) than Faheem's (7.75).

    In Wahab's place selectors have recalled another left-armer, Rahat Ali, who has been out of national contention since 2016 following a heel injury. He comes back into the mix with Arthur looking to instill some discipline with the ball in English conditions, something he doesn't trust Wahab to do.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/23133768/wahab-riaz-not-won-us-game-two-years-mickey-arthur
     
  2. maddgenius
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    Mickey is too blunt for a national coach
     
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    Man he needs to be a bit more diplomatic in his statements.
     
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    couldn't agree more
     
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    Mickey Arthur is setting a good base for us.
     
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    What about Amir, apart from that fluke CT final performance?
     
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    Same standard should apply for Amir too and I think will apply to him too if he does not get his act right in this series!!
     
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    he's right, but he is inconsistent. how many games was rahat winning when he was backing hm non stop until his injury? how many man of the match performances has amir returned since his come back?

    its still an absolute joke that sadaf is not even in the training camps.
     
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    Wahab has a problem! He thinks he does not run to crease right! He has doubts in his mind whether ball is going to land in right place, whether his foot is going to land in right place, he has no ball issues, he has crease issues and Arthur is treating him with injections. Throw him out when he doesnt perform, bring him back when others dont perform, then Wahab performs!!
     
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    Wahab has confidence issues and he needs somebody like Sir Imran Khan in his ear and there is only one Sir IK~~ Only he can cure him!!
     
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    it doesnt surprise me that he has a work ethic issue, I heard it first a number of years ago - I know he was taught the in-swinger to the right handed batsman, because I know the person who taught him. in a few weeks he got a call from wahab saying he had forgotten how to do it, and when asked if he had been practicing, he said no.

    its unprofessional and lazy, and has no place at this level of competition. he has noone else to blame except himself.
     
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    How many games had Rahat won us in the last 100 years?
     
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    Immi doesn’t care about cricket these days, he’s completely detached himself from the game.
     
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    He had a good contribution in the Lords Test match where he got the England top 3.
     
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    The report above contradicts Mickey's statement. It seems Wahab has been our best pacer in test cricket in last 3 years.
     
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    How many games has Rahat played compared to Wahab? Wahab got a free pass for way too long with an opportunity cost for the team. Rahat may or may not amount to much but at least we should not settle for the short and fast that Wahab has bowled far too often.
     
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    Wahab 26 tests

    Rahat Ali 20 Tests.
     
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    believe in Mickey #makePakCricketGreatAgain
     
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    Wahab's PSL celebration alone is enough to drop him from every format
     
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    Let him show some results in Test matches. These kind of statements will come and haunt him if we continue to do bad in test matches. Kami's and Wahabs of Pakistani cricket will lobby with some ex-cricketers to show Mickey the door if he continues to perform badly in test matches. Not sure why he is unnecessarily making enemies by giving these statements,.
     
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    I have a bad feeling that this will happen.
     
  22. godzilla
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    given mickeys atrocious selections so far, there is very little doubt he will fail spectacularly and scapegoat someone else.
     
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    already won Test mace, no.1 ranking under him. CT is cherry on the top
     
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    Interesting, that is a higher number for Rahat than I expected.

    However, Wahab has also played 79 ODIs and has been around longer. It is unlikely that he will deliver anything different than what he has done in the last 8 years.
     
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    Been a massive critic of Wahab but give me a bowler that bowls his heart out than an entitled one that wants to limit his test matches so he can make more money playing the shorter formats.

    Still remember Wahab got tonked in a match at Malahide and when asked to take selfies he said sorry guys I am feeling very upset right now. Only to be seen when he came out to bat and we all know what happened then.. he may not be the best but he plays for the team. He might have only made the team due to his father but the guy has never been one of those who acts like a shoda.
     
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    I have never been a big fan of Wahab, his good spells come as a surprise rather than an expectation, seems to lack variety and brain cells. Having said that he puts everything into hurling the ball at the batsmen much like Rana and Sami.. Just maybe that he is an unlucky guy but batsmen have him worked out..
     
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    With the emergence of many young fast bowlers it is expected that Riaz will no longer feature in the pecking order - he's been below average also.
     
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    Rahat is an International level failure. Should have opted for Sadaf Hussain.
     
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    Rahat picks wickets with ease! He is a smart worker and where others try to force their way to wickets!@ He works batsmen out with various angles.
     
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    rahat has not been a wicket taker at all, and hasnt historically shown any ability to work out batsmen. one game here or there doesnt mask multiple failures.

    that said, maybe he has improved, I havent seen his most recent FC performances, maybe he's doing better, or maybe whatever his skill level, all other options are worse - but either way, there is no justification based on his record, its worse than wahabs.
     
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    problem with Wahab is actually is his crease issues./ he gets warned for running in danger area and is often on the verge of being taken out of the attack. That fear of being taken out of the attack does not let him bowl with freedom@ He is constantly worried that he would run onto danger area!!
     
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    Rahat averages 38 with the ball in test Cricket. Don't forget this.
     
  34. Mohammed Bilal
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    Mickey should not be making statements out in public.

    He should tell the player why he has not been selected or if he doesn’t have a good reason he should keep quiet.
     
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    Lovely!! Mickey's single handedly putting to death the much detested seniority culture in our team.He's elevating the standard of the national team and instilling match winning attitude in the young players which has been needed for a long time and was unattainable in the presence of senior players who have played their cricket with selfish attitude.We need to give him full support for that.Guy is doing what was unthinkable just a few years back.
     
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    I appreciate what Arthur is doing but at the same time he must help Wahab Riaz too!! Problem is in Wahab's head! He is short of confidence cus of his crease problems!! He fears landing into danger area while bowling!!
     
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    He can't help him at the age of 32.Its over for Wahab.If he was a bit younger I'm sure his opinion of Wahab would be different.
     
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    Only Sir IK can help at this stage cus he himself was one of the greatest fast bowler to have played the game and more than that he understands cricket better than anybody in the world although he may not be following cricket regularly cus of his political life but he knows how to get things right and how to work a player out of a tough situation! Remember, problem is not technical or any other. Problem is in mind! Wahab Riaz has had some worst experience with umpires!
     
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    It may or may not be mental problem but the thing is we can't waste our resources on 32 year old fast bowler when we can easily invest in a youngster who has much more potential.
     

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