"We are in the rebuilding phase and learning at every step" - Azhar Ali

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  1. Patriot
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    Patriot Kaptaan

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    "I think we did not bat well in the first half of the innings"

    "Saad Nasim and Wahab Riaz helped us comeback, but it was not enough."

    "We are rebuilding and we will learn from this"

    "The boys will bounce back."

    "We have been struck by injuries and a few seniors have retired."

    "We have to trust the youngsters. They will definitely come good."
     
  2. Patriot
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    Patriot Kaptaan

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    Poor Azhar at the receiving end of the stick
     
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    Fawad Sultan of Swing

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    I trust him to figure it out quickly. We didn't appoint him as a short term solution, let's give him time to settle in.
     
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    CricketFan96 Smooth Operator

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    Poor Azhar?

    The guy who scores an odd 30 runs off 69 balls.
     
  5. Patriot
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    yes and have played 17 ODs only
     
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    CricketFan96 Smooth Operator

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    so you mean for that poor sr, playing 17 games is an excuse :fp
     
  7. Choi Saab
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    You don't learn on the job. In almost every field of work you have prior work or assingments, you're educated regarding your work etc because this helps in developing you and ensuring that to a certain stage you are ready for the intl stage.

    In cricket that means school cricket, u-16 cricket, u-19 cricket also u-19 tours , club cricket, University cricket, domestic cricket and most importantly A team tours.

    We unfortunately don't have these things and if we do they're a complete and utter farce! Simple.

    We look around and see guys who average 40 in domestic cricket, score big hundreds come onto the national stage and can't hold a bat to save their life, and the bowlers average under 25 and come onto the intl stage bowling gun barrel straight, heck we can't even find a single pacer who bowls 140 consistently, rather guys trundling at 130-135 at best.

    How they enter the domestic set up is astounding, bet more than half of them haven't ever played u-19 cricket or anything. On top of that you have these departments ruling over everything, where is state based cricket, if you have state based domestic, you can then individually focus on each province and distribute funds accordingly, build a structure starting from school cricket maybe even tapeball cricket if need be.

    We'll continue to hear such statements captain after captain until someone sorts out this rotten domestic infrastructure. It is literally that simple, but nope we'd rather sit here and gun down coaches and captains for not jumping up and down like monkeys on the pitch!
     
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  8. Patriot
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    No, it means he's still learning and we don't need to act like desi aunties
     
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    the way Pak Team going down,
    they will discover petrol someday lol
     
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    The bowling has been equally poor, if not worse than the batting considering the experience in that department. Rebuilding stage yes but losing back-to-back games to Bangladesh is unacceptable.
     
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    :lol
     
  12. Patriot
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    I am going to coin a new term, "Qudratis". This refers to those fickle/fair weather fans who were once head over heals over Misbah and his defensive captaincy and won't give constructive criticism any space in past 4 years or so against Misbah. Today, I am laughing in disappointment at reading these lines when these "Qudratis" are bashing Azhar Ali and his defensive tactics. The guy was standing in his 2nd game, he barely ever captained in domestic, he's making a comeback in ODIs after 2 years....for goodness sake you gave Misbah 4 years, and here you blazing guns at the Azhar Ali for similar stuff. FYI, Misbah was THE MOST DEFENSIVE CAPTAIN ever to play for Pakistan. It wasn't until Waqar was appointed coach and until AUS series that he changed his ultra conservative and defensive minded philosophy in favor of more proactive approach. To a good extent Pakistani batsmen inability to show intent and accelerate innings in a positive way is thanks to Misbah and his defensive batting approach. He was the senior batsmen who set a bad precedent of Tuk Tuk and Whack for youngsters, no matter how successful it is for him (only). Yes, Azhar made mistakes in field setting and bowling rotations but he's going to learn from here. He's not someone who has played 50 or so ODIs, that he knows the game like Misbah did back in 2011. The comparison between Misbah and Azhar Ali is way out of proportion and unfair just after 2 games.

    Regarding BD loss. Yes today was indeed a dark day for Pakistan cricket. But let's not forget, we could've lost to BD in 2012 Asia Cup final had it not been for Sarfraz's crucial knock and Aizaz Cheema's bowling. Game still came to the last over. We also could've lost against BD in 2014, had it not been for one and only The Shahid Afridi. It was under Misbah's captaincy and defensive approach that we leaked 329 to that BD team in 2014. Underestimating BD and overlooking Pakistan's persistent problem is what's wrong we are doing here. We thought our bowling was great after WC, but we overlooked the fact that this is not Adelaide wicket and Wahab and co. will not get similar support. We are lacking in experience by miles. Agree that Hafeez and Fawad should've done better but it's not just their problem, it's the over all problem of momentum, chemistry and responsibility.

    Here's hoping Qudratis will have better things to do than crying over Misbah's retirement and bashing Azhar Ali and Pakistan team, instead of supporting them in times of greatest need.
     
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    Record v Bangladesh was bound to end eventually (16 years is a long time). At least it's with a young team who should manage to improve InshaAllah
     
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    Waqar habitually scapegoated senior players as both captain and then as coach, now he has a younger team over which he has complete dictatorship. Let's see whether he finally runs out of excuses now.
     
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    Nothing is going to happen. Been hearing this 'rebuilding' and 'transition' nonsense for years now, and I have no reason to believe that it's different this time. Since Woolmer-Inzamam era ended, when we have not be in rebuilding and transition phase? What's different this time? The only reason it 'feels' different to you is because you want the outcome to be different.

    The excuse in 2010-2011 was that we need stability in leadership. Well, we had a stable leader in Misbah for 4 years and he left the team ranked 8th. Continuity and reluctance to change doesn't always yield results if you don't have quality players. Persisting with mediocre players will only give you mediocre results.

    We persisted with Shehzad for 2 years and persisted with Junaid for 4, and both didn't do enough to show that they can be top players because they are not; they are mediocre.

    The so-called heroes of the team showed their true worth in this series. Sarfraz is highly overrated in ODIs and not even half as good as Mushfiqur Rahim either side of the stumps. Awful player of pace and a shoddy wicket-keeper.

    Malnourished Fawad once again showed why he's dead meat in modern day ODI cricket and will be found out by teams the more he plays. Have some pity on the poor guy and send him back to domestic cricket where he can pile up runs like Bradman.

    Junaid is the worst new ball bowler in the world. It baffles me that a guy who is utterly clueless with the new ball is dubbed as the best bowler in Pakistan and future great. Tamim Iqbal was skipping down the pitch and and tonking his 80 mph half-trackers for heaven's sake.

    Nothing more than a poor man's Umar Gul (when he was at his peak) and light years below bowlers like Starc, Boult and he's way inferior to Shami and Yadav even. I don't mind trundling at all but if you are going to bowl 75-80 mph, at least swing the ball.

    Rahat proved to be another false hope at the World Cup. This guy is dumber than Homer Simpson.

    Saad Nasim played well but he's a useful utility cricketer, nothing more. You won't beat quality teams or even Bangladesh with players like him.

    Ajmal is done and dusted. What an embarrassment he has become, and the worst bit was when he resorted to chucking out of desperation. If he gets called for hurling again (this time, 1 year ban) it'd be highly embarrassing for Pakistan. Needs to hang his boots with the little dignity that's left and take care of his academy.

    Won't look too much into Hafeez's failure, considering he got run out in the first game and got an 86 in NZ in his last ODI before the duck yesterday, but he's an all-rounder and when you make an all-rounder play as specialist, it can be difficult for him to cope with the pressure. If he fails his bowling test or is a liability like Ajmal, it would be a good idea to have Babar Azam replace him.

    I like Azhar, Haris and Rizwan a lot and these three are here to stay. Wahab on the other hand is the closest thing to a world class cricketer we have at this point. Simply superb.

    Umar and Maqsood are welcome to return, but ideally you'd want them to spend a season F/C Cricket and learn the composure to bat for more than 30-35 deliveries and score some big hundreds, but we might need them sooner than we think because Fawad should be shown the back-door in ODIs after this series.

    Please keep mediocre pests like Shehzad etc. out of the team, we don't need him at all. Azhar is an improvement and the likes of Babar/Sami deserve a chance to cement themselves as openers, but Hack-Faraz needs to be demoted as soon as possible. Everyone mocked Waqar for suggesting that he's not an opener, and after a hundred against an associate nation everyone lost his mind and thought we had found a Gilchrist and now we saw his true worth in Bangladesh.

    Don't sell this rebuilding nonsense to me, I am not buying it. Nothing is going to happen, there is no hope for the future.

    Pakistan cricket is finished. Time to bury the Cornered Tiger and say our prayers.
     
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    ^ Fawad is not going anywhere......the perchi is strong in there....the whole Karachi mafia is sweeping like a snake on the top of pcb and will dump any talented youngster looking for a break with media pressure politics and other dirty tactics....you're right Pakistan's cricket is in tatters and it'll be very difficult to rise from ashes until and unless "punctures" are fixed
     
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    Savak Emerging Player

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    Time to give up on life according to the notorious parosi
     
  18. Mamoon
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    Mamoon Youngsta Beauty

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    ^ didn't tell you to commit suicide.
     
  19. Savak
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    Savak Emerging Player

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    That's the general habitual Summation of all your posts. Not a single ounce of optimism.
     
  20. Bart
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    Ever since the 2003 world cup debacle we have been in a perpetual state of rebuilding save for couple of years of decent ODI performances under Inzi's captaincy during 2005 / 2006. Apart from that I have always heard that we are rebuilding. This is not even a young team for goodness sake, so how exactly is this rebuilding for the future? Pretty sure we will be seeing the same old tried and tested failures back in the fold and the new supposedly "talented" folks would become the next generations tried and tested failures.
     
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    I wouldn't say finished, that is premature and a knee jerk reaction. However, as fans we should not be deluded into thinking that we would be capable of challenging the top teams any time soon. I forsee us only challenging the likes of West Indies, Bangladesh and may be Sri Lanka at best over next 5 years or so. Dreams of winning ICC titles should stay as dreams.
     
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    Challenging bottom-half teams is as good finished for me. We have become minnows now.
     
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    Go ahead and show me that ounce of optimism. We don't have a single world class cricketer in any department.

    The mediocrity in every single facet of cricket is appalling.
     
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    Savak Emerging Player

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    Be man enough to say you instead of we. Didn't you promise to stop following the team after the wc?
     
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    Don't need to show anything. Our proud cricketing history and heritage is enough. I'm the mean time enjoy singing vande matrum
     
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    Yes, history is all that's left now, keep living on past glories and heritage, which belongs in the garbage. Other than Australia, no team has greater heritage and history than West Indies, but look at them now. That's the future of Pakistan cricket.

    Yes I did, but I'm in control of my decisions, and as long as it has no impact on others, I can change my mind without being answerable to anyone. Why should I say 'we'? I'm as much a Pakistani as you are, but I like to keep my eyes open and face reality.
     
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    I agree things are bad but you cannot really call it finished. We are mediocre and will probably stay like that for a few years but somewhere down the line we would produce cricketers who are capable of challenging good teams. You just have to wait it out and as a fan support the team through bad times. Will we ever be as good as we were in 80s and 90s? Probably not, but that is no reason to say we are finished.
     

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